Thread: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

Originally Posted by imp

This time next year the crime levels will be at an all time high due to all this.

For some reason the minority in here isn't listening to the majority , that is it core problem , have your view but listen to the masses.

I used to know loads of blokes that worked on building sites and stuff that would sign on too. Especially when they needed to see a dentist and stuff. Funny old game this life lark

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by ryanman

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by ryanman

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by Dropanuke

This is England and shouldn't be any other way

Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.

Our schools a full,the jails are full, the Heath service is at breaking point , and we are bust as a country , so we need more migrants why ?
And for the record I'd string the bankers and any dodgy official by the balls. I would also like to ask why are the people who a coming here all from poor countries ?
Well in most cases they are on the make.
Close borders and sort out this mess, including making the people on benefits work for the handouts, how can you need foreign workers when we have a dole queue? Make these cunts work.

Al, the highest number of Illegal immigrants in the UK come from Australia. Followed by the U.S.A. That is a FACT. What do you make of that?

So is there cash work there? I cant see how they'd get by otherwise?
Im surprised by that,they wouldnt be able to get on the dole over there, or on the health scheme,they must be young dumb party goers with a decent cash income .

It's cash work yeah. But also they aren't really a priority target, because they are the type of immigrants that bigots can tolerate.

I don't mind the Odd Aussie, particularly the indigenous brown digeridoo playing boomerang throwing ones, but the illegal, chequered Golf trouser wearing, loud mouthed Yanks should get a visa, or go right back home to Uncle Sam.

The amount of British tourists that throw their visas and stay in California is astounding.
I can see why they wouldnt want to go back to miserable weather in a country the size of a shoe.
The other way around Americans or Australians staying in Britain .
I can see exactly why you are against them cause they are obviously insane fuckwits.

Keep em and we'll keep the Brits who are here and in the States illegally, good trade

Who wants traitors.

First off, I see classic deflection tactics being used by Greenbeanz. A deflection tactic is one used in an effort to cut off further dialogue. If someone makes a valid point then someone responds with 'I will break your arm', then that is clearly a deflection tactic. In this instance Greenbeanz is making the argument that because me and Brockton do not live in our respective home countries then we have no right to speak on these issues. It is a deflection tactic though as me and Brockton are connected with our home countries through family and history. Our countries are our countries and to suggest that we shouldn't comment is an outrageous one. 'But you don't live here, so keep your gob shut', says the wise one. Incredible.

Also, it is a daft argument to say that English people are simply lazy and that the immigrants are more educated than me and Brockton. To even teach overseas me and Brockton have needed to be university educated and to do what I do, you need post graduate qualifications. Maybe Brockton does too, but I haven't asked him. Now please show me the statistics on how many of these Polish immigrants are as educated as we are. Again, it is a silly argument as educated people are not going to the UK to earn what is typically minimum wage or do cash in hand jobs. I assume this was an argument made just to be a condescending git.

If there are tens of thousands of Americans and Australians running amok then they sould be kicked out! Again, I think it is a diversionary argument to suggest that these are 'acceptable immigrants' to the 'bigots'. I don't think people would be impressed if they knew they were there illegally and working cash in hand. Again, it is terrible for the local economy as they are not paying into the system.

In the past ten years. Funnily enough in the exact time span that I have been away, the entire demographics of the UK have been changing. Is it for the better or is it for the worse? The elite will say the better. Greenbeanz will argue for the better, but there has been no real national debate on the issue. Even now the politicians are just wanting to look tough knowing an election is round the corner. In some respects I think immigration is needed. Asylum is a valid reason. In years past the legacy of colonialism meant we had obligations whence Indian and Pakistani communities, but those days are gone and the Polish, Romanians, or Americans, have nothing to do with that legacy.

Every country of the world is founded upon immigration if taken further enough back in time. However, what we have today are nation states and those nation states have an obligation to their ethnic populations. You put them first. Instead what we have is a system where British people are not able to get jobs and it isn't because foreign people will work harder, it is because you can boss a foreign person around if you know that you can control them.

You can't get away with that with a native person. I've seen illegals here, you have them round your finger paying cash in hand. I've seen people with legit visas putting up with shit because they are on a temp visa and they will be out if they resist. It's easier to control a foreign worker who doesn't know the system and of course English bosses love the foreign labour. It's a masterstroke. Then if anyone resists saying 'This is all a bit crap, why not just pay the British workers a decent wage and follow the rules?'. That is because that is what it is all about!

You should control immigration. Not stop it, but control it and vet the system. Then ensure that workers are being protected and that everyone is paying into the system. Also the visa should be controlled, maybe 2 years max, but you will go home at the end. If you break the law, then you get deported and banned. You only stay beyond if you invest into the country AND marry. The UK is too slack on this, a few years in sees everyone becoming naturalised and in reality the number of foreigners is much worse. Legals, naturalised, illegals, it all adds up to a lot of competition for local people, who quite clearly cannot compete. Not because they are lazy like Greenbeanz says. That's one of the old chestnuts that they like to espouse.

I can see two very clear models having seen two sides of a coin. That makes me probably more aware of immigration models than Greenbeanz and likewise the same could be applied to Brockton who has experienced several countries. Instead Greenbeanz will try to divide opinion and make it look like we are the problem and he knows better. We see the coin from all sides having actually lived under different models. We just know which one makes more sense and are not afraid to be seen as non-PC koolaid drinkers.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

First off, I see classic deflection tactics being used by Greenbeanz. A deflection tactic is one used in an effort to cut off further dialogue. If someone makes a valid point then someone responds with 'I will break your arm', then that is clearly a deflection tactic. In this instance Greenbeanz is making the argument that because me and Brockton do not live in our respective home countries then we have no right to speak on these issues. It is a deflection tactic though as me and Brockton are connected with our home countries through family and history. Our countries are our countries and to suggest that we shouldn't comment is an outrageous one. 'But you don't live here, so keep your gob shut', says the wise one. Incredible.

Also, it is a daft argument to say that English people are simply lazy and that the immigrants are more educated than me and Brockton. To even teach overseas me and Brockton have needed to be university educated and to do what I do, you need post graduate qualifications. Maybe Brockton does too, but I haven't asked him. Now please show me the statistics on how many of these Polish immigrants are as educated as we are. Again, it is a silly argument as educated people are not going to the UK to earn what is typically minimum wage or do cash in hand jobs. I assume this was an argument made just to be a condescending git.

If there are tens of thousands of Americans and Australians running amok then they sould be kicked out! Again, I think it is a diversionary argument to suggest that these are 'acceptable immigrants' to the 'bigots'. I don't think people would be impressed if they knew they were there illegally and working cash in hand. Again, it is terrible for the local economy as they are not paying into the system.

In the past ten years. Funnily enough in the exact time span that I have been away, the entire demographics of the UK have been changing. Is it for the better or is it for the worse? The elite will say the better. Greenbeanz will argue for the better, but there has been no real national debate on the issue. Even now the politicians are just wanting to look tough knowing an election is round the corner. In some respects I think immigration is needed. Asylum is a valid reason. In years past the legacy of colonialism meant we had obligations whence Indian and Pakistani communities, but those days are gone and the Polish, Romanians, or Americans, have nothing to do with that legacy.

Every country of the world is founded upon immigration if taken further enough back in time. However, what we have today are nation states and those nation states have an obligation to their ethnic populations. You put them first. Instead what we have is a system where British people are not able to get jobs and it isn't because foreign people will work harder, it is because you can boss a foreign person around if you know that you can control them.

You can't get away with that with a native person. I've seen illegals here, you have them round your finger paying cash in hand. I've seen people with legit visas putting up with shit because they are on a temp visa and they will be out if they resist. It's easier to control a foreign worker who doesn't know the system and of course English bosses love the foreign labour. It's a masterstroke. Then if anyone resists saying 'This is all a bit crap, why not just pay the British workers a decent wage and follow the rules?'. That is because that is what it is all about!

You should control immigration. Not stop it, but control it and vet the system. Then ensure that workers are being protected and that everyone is paying into the system. Also the visa should be controlled, maybe 2 years max, but you will go home at the end. If you break the law, then you get deported and banned. You only stay beyond if you invest into the country AND marry. The UK is too slack on this, a few years in sees everyone becoming naturalised and in reality the number of foreigners is much worse. Legals, naturalised, illegals, it all adds up to a lot of competition for local people, who quite clearly cannot compete. Not because they are lazy like Greenbeanz says. That's one of the old chestnuts that they like to espouse.

I can see two very clear models having seen two sides of a coin. That makes me probably more aware of immigration models than Greenbeanz and likewise the same could be applied to Brockton who has experienced several countries. Instead Greenbeanz will try to divide opinion and make it look like we are the problem and he knows better. We see the coin from all sides having actually lived under different models. We just know which one makes more sense and are not afraid to be seen as non-PC koolaid drinkers.

It is 'Brockton and I'.

B-

Miles is attentive in Saddoland and here in this essay has some very valid points, we wish he would pay more attention in English and stop dreaming of Wordsworth and other worthless pursuits.
Very good work Miles ****.

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Originally Posted by ryanman

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Brockton, with respect you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Members of the European community do not need a visa to work in EU countries. You are stirring shit and fostering the stereotype that certain countries and ethnic groups are more criminally inclined than others. You and Miles both think that Britain is as Satan like as the USA so don't pretend that either of you give a damn about illegal immigration. Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are as legally entitled to enter the UK and work as British citizens are free to (and do) work in their countries. Most choose to stay in their own beautiful and warmer countries or to go to Spain,France or Italy. It is very hypocritical of you and Miles to be so bothered about legal migration when neither of you are living or working in the place of your birth. Even more astounding considering you both teach English to students. Students make up a huge part of UK immigration where they pay to study , pay into the UK economy and bring back a good impression to their home country strengthening trade bonds. Immigration is a good thing for the UK and you are both coming across as Xenophobic fear mongerers. Waldorf and Statler crowing from their guilded theatre box as ordinary people try to earn a living, many of them more skilled,educated and talented than the pair of you.

So what's the story behind the Romanians living rough in park lane ? They are bringing what exactly?
Or the millions lost in bogus claims for student loans , then they disappear , and Brock is correct 90% of ATM crime is done by Romanians . Last year I visited San Sebastián in Spain , I asked our guide about crime there , because the basque region has the national police and their own force.
Well his answer was simple, we had very little crime until the Romanians move here , and that my friend is a fact.

Its a selective fact. Of course not ALL immigrants add something, but as a collective they add more than they take. Your logic seems to be that because some will come to take advantage then none should be allowed to come (forgetting of course that we are required by law to allow free migration).
I doubt you have seen many facts supporting your view because its mostly just fear mongering and bigotry and you have fallen for it.

Are you fucking joking? The facts are here my friend , we are full ,we are bust ,we have a dole queue, our health service is done , I do not want any more people from Eastern Europe or Africans coming into England that is my view.
Also the Fact about San Sebastián was just that , you have you head so far in the sand , which is exactly why this country is fucked . It's not racist to say enough I s enough ,
As for the law let them travel ,but don't give them any benefits at all , then see if they think twice.
How dare you single me out , I am not in a minority I can assure you of that , I respect your view , I think your wrong , but in not castigating you for it , for fucks sake , freedom of speach is still allowed as far as I'm aware.

I respect your right to an opinion, and I definately have not accused you of being racist. I'm just giving my opinion as you are.
However, you state again there that you don't wish for more Africans or Eastern Europeans to come over, but what about Americans, Australians etc? As I have said they make up the largest number of illegal immigrants in this country. Why don't you have an issue with them?

Also, the facts you state about the dole queue and the country being in a difficult financial situation are fair and true. However, Al, the truth of it is that immigration DOES NOT worsen that situation. I know its easy to think that more people equals less to go around and more on the dole queue. But immigration has over the years BOOSTED our economy. Meaning more money and more jobs for EVERYONE. The vast majority of immigrants do not claim benefits. There is plenty of evidence to support this and not a shred of evidence to the contrary. Nobody in their right mind would want lots of immigrants to come to the UK to claim benefits, of course not, nobody disagrees there, but the truth is that that doesn't happen. Not in signficant numbers. Throughout history immigration has been a vital part of the growth and adaptability of the British economy. In the short term it's easy to see them taking up valuable resources but the truth is more complex and actually contrary to that view.

Originally Posted by Gandalf

First off, I see classic deflection tactics being used by Greenbeanz. A deflection tactic is one used in an effort to cut off further dialogue. If someone makes a valid point then someone responds with 'I will break your arm', then that is clearly a deflection tactic. In this instance Greenbeanz is making the argument that because me and Brockton do not live in our respective home countries then we have no right to speak on these issues. It is a deflection tactic though as me and Brockton are connected with our home countries through family and history. Our countries are our countries and to suggest that we shouldn't comment is an outrageous one. 'But you don't live here, so keep your gob shut', says the wise one. Incredible.

Also, it is a daft argument to say that English people are simply lazy and that the immigrants are more educated than me and Brockton. To even teach overseas me and Brockton have needed to be university educated and to do what I do, you need post graduate qualifications. Maybe Brockton does too, but I haven't asked him. Now please show me the statistics on how many of these Polish immigrants are as educated as we are. Again, it is a silly argument as educated people are not going to the UK to earn what is typically minimum wage or do cash in hand jobs. I assume this was an argument made just to be a condescending git.

If there are tens of thousands of Americans and Australians running amok then they sould be kicked out! Again, I think it is a diversionary argument to suggest that these are 'acceptable immigrants' to the 'bigots'. I don't think people would be impressed if they knew they were there illegally and working cash in hand. Again, it is terrible for the local economy as they are not paying into the system.

In the past ten years. Funnily enough in the exact time span that I have been away, the entire demographics of the UK have been changing. Is it for the better or is it for the worse? The elite will say the better. Greenbeanz will argue for the better, but there has been no real national debate on the issue. Even now the politicians are just wanting to look tough knowing an election is round the corner. In some respects I think immigration is needed. Asylum is a valid reason. In years past the legacy of colonialism meant we had obligations whence Indian and Pakistani communities, but those days are gone and the Polish, Romanians, or Americans, have nothing to do with that legacy.

Every country of the world is founded upon immigration if taken further enough back in time. However, what we have today are nation states and those nation states have an obligation to their ethnic populations. You put them first. Instead what we have is a system where British people are not able to get jobs and it isn't because foreign people will work harder, it is because you can boss a foreign person around if you know that you can control them.

You can't get away with that with a native person. I've seen illegals here, you have them round your finger paying cash in hand. I've seen people with legit visas putting up with shit because they are on a temp visa and they will be out if they resist. It's easier to control a foreign worker who doesn't know the system and of course English bosses love the foreign labour. It's a masterstroke. Then if anyone resists saying 'This is all a bit crap, why not just pay the British workers a decent wage and follow the rules?'. That is because that is what it is all about!

You should control immigration. Not stop it, but control it and vet the system. Then ensure that workers are being protected and that everyone is paying into the system. Also the visa should be controlled, maybe 2 years max, but you will go home at the end. If you break the law, then you get deported and banned. You only stay beyond if you invest into the country AND marry. The UK is too slack on this, a few years in sees everyone becoming naturalised and in reality the number of foreigners is much worse. Legals, naturalised, illegals, it all adds up to a lot of competition for local people, who quite clearly cannot compete. Not because they are lazy like Greenbeanz says. That's one of the old chestnuts that they like to espouse.

I can see two very clear models having seen two sides of a coin. That makes me probably more aware of immigration models than Greenbeanz and likewise the same could be applied to Brockton who has experienced several countries. Instead Greenbeanz will try to divide opinion and make it look like we are the problem and he knows better. We see the coin from all sides having actually lived under different models. We just know which one makes more sense and are not afraid to be seen as non-PC koolaid drinkers.

MILES

You are a right wing racist bigot. This is very evident and apparent to all but the most naive and simple minded observer. I have never threatened to break your arm merely suggested that a smack in the mouth might do you some good. You on the other hand have threatened to scalp me and spray me with mace being the effeminate weedy girl spider that you are.

I am not deflecting anything I am addressing the reality that you ran away from and the propaganda and bullshit spouted by Oswald Mosley Nigel Farrage and his ubber fan Brockton. It is no surprise that Morrissey, Suede and other right wing posers are your poster boys, no more surprising than your view that Roma present the same menace as Jews and the disabled and should be exterminated.

You are also the most condescending, opinionated, self entitled selfish cunt on Earth. You can't even remember your wife's birthday and should be put in the stocks and pelted with Kimchi.

You are purposefully deflecting rational argument and muddying the waters to serve your own agenda in equating legal migration and the right to work with Illegal migration. You identify with the privileged and not the underclass because you are a unbearable snob. You refuse to accept that anyone can be on a par with you let alone surpass your own educational achievements and so you automatically assume that migration means unskilled labour because every other race or ethnic class to you is inferior. You make this supposition abundantly clear by insisting that every Hotel in London is full of Foreign workers and by your bolting the UK because it was getting a bit challenging to a black shirted facist like yourself.

You are incredibly boring. You go on and on and on and on and on and on and then some.

You are foreign labour. Get out of Korea, they have done nothing to deserve you. (except maybe the torturing of people in jail under false premise of spying)

Educated people do come and will continue to come to the UK. Yourself and Brockton are not unique or blessed from on high in not being manual migrant labour, not that the nature of somebodies day job is neither here nor there. You should go home after 2 years if that is your suggestion for the UK but No because you are part of the master race ?

Your condescending PC argument is 100% bullshit. It is something you bring up to disguise your own arrogant intolerance. You portray yourself as sensitive and caring and yet could not really give a fuck about anything than your own pot belly and an invented persona that excuses you behaving like a horrible cunt. Your free pass has ended, suck it up. There you go 8 paragraphs to mirror your drivel.

Originally Posted by ryanman

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Originally Posted by ryanman

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Brockton, with respect you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Members of the European community do not need a visa to work in EU countries. You are stirring shit and fostering the stereotype that certain countries and ethnic groups are more criminally inclined than others. You and Miles both think that Britain is as Satan like as the USA so don't pretend that either of you give a damn about illegal immigration. Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are as legally entitled to enter the UK and work as British citizens are free to (and do) work in their countries. Most choose to stay in their own beautiful and warmer countries or to go to Spain,France or Italy. It is very hypocritical of you and Miles to be so bothered about legal migration when neither of you are living or working in the place of your birth. Even more astounding considering you both teach English to students. Students make up a huge part of UK immigration where they pay to study , pay into the UK economy and bring back a good impression to their home country strengthening trade bonds. Immigration is a good thing for the UK and you are both coming across as Xenophobic fear mongerers. Waldorf and Statler crowing from their guilded theatre box as ordinary people try to earn a living, many of them more skilled,educated and talented than the pair of you.

So what's the story behind the Romanians living rough in park lane ? They are bringing what exactly?
Or the millions lost in bogus claims for student loans , then they disappear , and Brock is correct 90% of ATM crime is done by Romanians . Last year I visited San Sebastián in Spain , I asked our guide about crime there , because the basque region has the national police and their own force.
Well his answer was simple, we had very little crime until the Romanians move here , and that my friend is a fact.

Its a selective fact. Of course not ALL immigrants add something, but as a collective they add more than they take. Your logic seems to be that because some will come to take advantage then none should be allowed to come (forgetting of course that we are required by law to allow free migration).
I doubt you have seen many facts supporting your view because its mostly just fear mongering and bigotry and you have fallen for it.

Are you fucking joking? The facts are here my friend , we are full ,we are bust ,we have a dole queue, our health service is done , I do not want any more people from Eastern Europe or Africans coming into England that is my view.
Also the Fact about San Sebastián was just that , you have you head so far in the sand , which is exactly why this country is fucked . It's not racist to say enough I s enough ,
As for the law let them travel ,but don't give them any benefits at all , then see if they think twice.
How dare you single me out , I am not in a minority I can assure you of that , I respect your view , I think your wrong , but in not castigating you for it , for fucks sake , freedom of speach is still allowed as far as I'm aware.

I respect your right to an opinion, and I definately have not accused you of being racist. I'm just giving my opinion as you are.
However, you state again there that you don't wish for more Africans or Eastern Europeans to come over, but what about Americans, Australians etc? As I have said they make up the largest number of illegal immigrants in this country. Why don't you have an issue with them?

Also, the facts you state about the dole queue and the country being in a difficult financial situation are fair and true. However, Al, the truth of it is that immigration DOES NOT worsen that situation. I know its easy to think that more people equals less to go around and more on the dole queue. But immigration has over the years BOOSTED our economy. Meaning more money and more jobs for EVERYONE. The vast majority of immigrants do not claim benefits. There is plenty of evidence to support this and not a shred of evidence to the contrary. Nobody in their right mind would want lots of immigrants to come to the UK to claim benefits, of course not, nobody disagrees there, but the truth is that that doesn't happen. Not in signficant numbers. Throughout history immigration has been a vital part of the growth and adaptability of the British economy. In the short term it's easy to see them taking up valuable resources but the truth is more complex and actually contrary to that view.

We have never before been in such a poor financial state, so past migration has not been as bigger issue as it will be now.
You also ignored the question , what do we do with the people living rough ,using public parks as camps and toilets?
People who a large majority have been sent home and have returned ?
In case you haven't noticed the posters against your view are plentiful , and we are taxpayers also. As for Australian and USA migrants I have not idea where you get that statement from, I went into Manchester City centre a month ago and I have to be honest heard no Aussie or American accents but saw plenty of beggars and heard plenty of Eastern European accents , this also is a fact . Also I have no idea of you age or job which may explain your point of view , I know not many want more strain on the financial state.

Watched a documentary yesterday and a pharmacist from romania who had the choice of any country in Europe to choose from and she chose Dudley. Poor girl.

Originally Posted by Master

Watched a documentary yesterday and a pharmacist from romania who had the choice of any country in Europe to choose from and she chose Dudley. Poor girl.

Master we both know why she chose it.

" Dudley , is Blumin luvlay"

I'd like to point out that this time it was not me calling Miles a bigot.

Greenbeanz himself is a relatively recent immigrant and on that basis would obviously despise anything that would threaten him. He does mch the same over the Paralympics. However, when it comes to tings that were seemingly there before him such as the monarchy, then we mustn't ever say a bad word. Greenbeanz is as easy to read as a not terribly interesting book. In fact I gave up reading his daft post after the ludicrious assertion that Suede or Morrissey are right wing. I really see little to support the case that Morrissey is actually right wing having read the mans autobiography. As for Suede, well there is nothing in history to suggest as much. Greenbeanz is obviously an idiot.

Having just done a quick skim, all I actually see from him is a very long character assassination with very little points being made on this thread at all. But that is because Greenbeanz has no points or evidence. Most Polish people are not qualified to work in Universities around the world. It is just not true, so instead he will get personal with me and Brockton because that is the only thing he can do. Pathetic, senile old man. It would be very easy to make every point personal and be very horrible but I won't. Instead I will just call him a cunt.

Any man should defend himself with mace as you get a criminal record if you don't. Of course I would spray it in the face of violent foes. What a cunt.

Terrorists are largely homegrown and are a product of our foreign policy. Another thing to think about when allowing uncontrolled immigration, though as the men say Britain actually subsidises militant Muslims. The leaders are all wrong and it is they who subsidise terror, allow terrorists in, and then decide that they need to spy on all to keep everyone safe! Hilarious in a not so funny way.

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