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    Default How is Tyson not the greatest heavyweight puncher?

    I've been looking at "greatest puncher" lists and I'm very surprised to see that people actually rate several heavyweights as better punchers than Tyson.

    I get it, I get it. Rating old timers above relatively newer guys makes you look more knowledgable... yeesh.

    Were there guys that hit harder? Probably. Were there guys with faster hands? Probably.

    But who had that combination of technique, speed and power? The ability to hurt a guy with any punch (including a jab), the ability to switch up between the head and the body?

    Someone actually rated Joe Frazier as a better puncher than Mike Tyson. I wish I could spit in his face in person.

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    Default Re: How is Tyson not the greatest heavyweight puncher?

    i guess it depends on your definition of puncher then. i definitely think that he would be in the top 3. i dont think that he is a top 10 HW ever but as for a pure puncher, i agree that he should be among the top few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    i guess it depends on your definition of puncher then. i definitely think that he would be in the top 3. i dont think that he is a top 10 HW ever but as for a pure puncher, i agree that he should be among the top few.
    The way he flattened Holmes is proof of his power, technique, skill, whatever. When an older Holmes can extend, beat and give a hard fight to Holyfield, Mercer and McCall and take all their best comfortably, it just goes to show what Tyson had. Whether it be quicker punches or better skill to get inside or bigger power altogether.

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    The mob that make me laugh more are the ones that say Tyson wasn't a big puncher it was the combinations.

    The fuck can anyone seriously watch Tyson and think - nahh he's not a powerful puncher he just throws lots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    I've been looking at "greatest puncher" lists and I'm very surprised to see that people actually rate several heavyweights as better punchers than Tyson.

    I get it, I get it. Rating old timers above relatively newer guys makes you look more knowledgable... yeesh.

    Were there guys that hit harder? Probably. Were there guys with faster hands? Probably.

    But who had that combination of technique, speed and power? The ability to hurt a guy with any punch (including a jab), the ability to switch up between the head and the body?

    Someone actually rated Joe Frazier as a better puncher than Mike Tyson. I wish I could spit in his face in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    The mob that make me laugh more are the ones that say Tyson wasn't a big puncher it was the combinations.

    The fuck can anyone seriously watch Tyson and think - nahh he's not a powerful puncher he just throws lots.
    LOL, Tyson not a big puncher.

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    Mike Tyson's one-punched so many dudes unconscious. I can't think of anyone who has so many KO's by one punch with either hand, except maybe Julian Jackson

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    i guess it depends on your definition of puncher then. i definitely think that he would be in the top 3. i dont think that he is a top 10 HW ever but as for a pure puncher, i agree that he should be among the top few.

    I define it as the combination of everything put together: speed, power, accuracy, combination ability, types of punches able to utilize, ect.

    So many times when we mention big punchers we mention guys like Hearns, Frazier, Trinidad, ect, and fair enough, but they were more or less known for knocking guys out with one hand or even one particular punch. How many guys did Frazier KO with his right, or Hearns with his left? Tyson could take your jaw off your face with any punch in the book. He knocked guys out/down with everything, right hooks to the body, left uppercuts to the head. He was the perfect punching machine.

    And then if you look at the guys who could knock guys out with either hand, did they have anywhere near the speed or technique that Tyson had? Hell no. I don't know who could possibly outrank Tyson? Marciano? Great puncher, two handed power, he was no Mike Tyson. Foreman was slow and wild.

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    Obviously he was devastating with one hand but ironically what would get any huge puncher in trouble was getting away from combination punching, loading up and leaving openings for guys who didn't shit themselves at the first incoming. Tyson's hand speed was top notch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    The mob that make me laugh more are the ones that say Tyson wasn't a big puncher it was the combinations.

    The fuck can anyone seriously watch Tyson and think - nahh he's not a powerful puncher he just throws lots.
    His success did not just depend on his speed, combinations, huge punch with either hand, fierce competitive spirit or an innate ability to almost always be in position to deliver something big. His success depended on a combination of all these abilities, so I think you can say all the great punchers were combination punchers in that way.
    Butterbean has a huge punch. Galento had a huge punch. Neither one of these guys are going to show up on an all time great punchers list, not anywhere near the top.
    As to why Tyson comes before or after some other big puncher on a list, it's just an opinion and everyone has one.

    We haven't even talked about the drugs and roids? Tyson took. Did those help or hurt him? What would they have done for Louis' or Marciano's careers?

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    I reckon that there were people who were a bit more heavy handed than Iron Mike, such as Big George Foreman and (arguably) people like Marciano and some fringe contenders like Gerry Cooney ....... But Tyson was one of the best FINISHERS I've ever seen.

    Sure, he blew out lots of people early on with one punch, but by and large they were early career cannon fodder. Later on, if you notice, he didn't get that many one punch kayos. The ref either stopped it, of he was onto them and he closed the show.

    Along with the Manassa Mauler, Iron Mike was an electrifying finisher and he stands comparison in that regard with any heavyweight that walked into a ring
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    I've been looking at "greatest puncher" lists and I'm very surprised to see that people actually rate several heavyweights as better punchers than Tyson.

    I get it, I get it. Rating old timers above relatively newer guys makes you look more knowledgable... yeesh.

    Were there guys that hit harder? Probably. Were there guys with faster hands? Probably.

    But who had that combination of technique, speed and power? The ability to hurt a guy with any punch (including a jab), the ability to switch up between the head and the body?

    Someone actually rated Joe Frazier as a better puncher than Mike Tyson. I wish I could spit in his face in person.
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    Wonder how much fear has to do with the effect on punch power.?

    Dont get me wrong, i rate tyson to the max and he easily in my top five heavyweights of all time.

    But i wonder if you are already shook in the ring or not as confident as you would normally be whether your punch resistance would decrease.

    Alot of fighters were scared of tyson but im sure it wouldnt have affected their chins as the result would have been the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ykdadamaja View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    I've been looking at "greatest puncher" lists and I'm very surprised to see that people actually rate several heavyweights as better punchers than Tyson.

    I get it, I get it. Rating old timers above relatively newer guys makes you look more knowledgable... yeesh.

    Were there guys that hit harder? Probably. Were there guys with faster hands? Probably.

    But who had that combination of technique, speed and power? The ability to hurt a guy with any punch (including a jab), the ability to switch up between the head and the body?

    Someone actually rated Joe Frazier as a better puncher than Mike Tyson. I wish I could spit in his face in person.
    Tyson has the best mix of speed, power and accuracy for a heavyweight ever known to man. What lacked in Tyson was his mental stability. But no one could question his raw and pure fighting ability.
    Both great posts. ^^

    And lets not forget the fact that tyson was smaller than everyone else.

    It has its advantages/disadvantages but he was smaller and at 5.11 he had to have superb head movement and defense to even have a chance..which he did.

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    Default Re: How is Tyson not the greatest heavyweight puncher?

    Tyson may not be the greatest puncher of all time because he relied too much on speed, timing, combinations and not raw power.
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