Thread: Should Scotland stay in the UK?

David Bowie says 'Yes', whilst I say no. What do you say about Scots independance?

I say no because I want to see the Scots freed from the tyranny of the UK. To do so they need to get rid of the pound though. They would be a perfect sized country and one with minimal oil reserves which could be used like in the Norweigian system. Freed from the slavery of the pound and the huge debt burden, Scotland would have many options open to it. I urge them to vote yes, and to keep the option open for me to join with them one day as I prefer them to the strange place with an obsession with an incredibly bankrupt London which deserves to sink under its latest property bubble crash.

What do you want for Scotland? Freedom or more of the same?

you forgot to add "I don't give a fuck" as an option

Such is the class of the contemporary English. They don't care less as they think the London leech will hold it all together. Personally, I want Scottish devolution to be the start of new devolutions and for London to rot on it's own in a pile of debt, hung in a noose a bare square mile long.

London isn't British and step by step Britain needs to pull from the London vortex of oppression and debt. Leave them on their own in a bastardised non English city and let them furrow on. Eventually Britain will just invade London again and teach them some manners. And give the Queen a 3 month bus driving course. Silly old bitch.

I want Scotland to stay with us, look how the USA failed when they left us.

No, they should stay and retain the prestige of being the largest county in England.

The problem is that they want to keep the pound...

They want to play at being an independent country for romantic and anti monarch reasons but want the crutch of blaiming the UK via the pound when it doesn't work.

There's a reason they want 16 year olds able to vote on it.

Keeping the pound is the worst thing they could ever do. They would end up like Greece or Spain. They have a wonderful opportunity to do things the right way and become a decent nation. They should look to Iceland as a model and to Norway as a model.

I see many are undecided, but the pound is only going to make people say 'No' to independence as the people know the pound is a noose around the neck for a small nation like this.

New currency, no monarchy, oil invested into pensions, Scotland can be great.

So Miles are you going to become a Korean citizen ?

I will always be English and proud of it as England is a great country and though it has a rotten financial sector, the surrounding fields and villages are its proud beating heart. The blood has become infected though and that saddens me. It is for this reason that I want to see Scotland make a fresh start, to show London that there is a voice that wants freedom. The Scots don't hate the English, but they should and likely do hate what the political and banking elite have been doing to them. England needs to be woken up and to see that it is letting things slip and to get serious about doing the right things to make England great.

Would I become a citizen here? It is something I have considered and have no problems with that. Dual nationality is acceptable, I am already permanent.

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Keeping the pound is the worst thing they could ever do. They would end up like Greece or Spain. They have a wonderful opportunity to do things the right way and become a decent nation. They should look to Iceland as a model and to Norway as a model.

I see many are undecided, but the pound is only going to make people say 'No' to independence as the people know the pound is a noose around the neck for a small nation like this.

New currency, no monarchy, oil invested into pensions, Scotland can be great.

Losing the pound appears to ve swaying many undecided voters according to recent polls and losing the pound would likely lead to them aiming for the Euro, which is a much better currency than the pound

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Keeping the pound is the worst thing they could ever do. They would end up like Greece or Spain. They have a wonderful opportunity to do things the right way and become a decent nation. They should look to Iceland as a model and to Norway as a model.

I see many are undecided, but the pound is only going to make people say 'No' to independence as the people know the pound is a noose around the neck for a small nation like this.

New currency, no monarchy, oil invested into pensions, Scotland can be great.

Losing the pound appears to ve swaying many undecided voters according to recent polls and losing the pound would likely lead to them aiming for the Euro, which is a much better currency than the pound

They don't need the pound which is currently making Britain poorer all round with quantitative easing and currency debasement and the ever expanding national debt. Obviously they shouldn't take on the Euro as that is a condemned currency too.

Scotland should start its own currency and there are several possible ways of doing that. Salmond seems intent on Sterling and keeping the monarchy which isn't Independence. He needs to move away from things that have failed.

Keeping the pound is the worst thing they could do? Model their finances on Iceland? Tyranny of the UK? Do you know how ridiculous the things that you've said are?

They need to keep the pound so they have a central bank who can bail out Lloyds and RBS the next time they have huge losses. Both are HQd in Scotland. If they're part of the euro there's no bailout and Scotland makes Greece look like Monte Carlo, the whole country in crushing debt for over half a century as a best case scenario.

It's all irrelevant anyway. The yes campaign would need to be currently running at 60% support as people will peel off from fear of the unknown as the vote gets closer. Barring some miracle Scotland says no to independence by a decent margin.

Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24

Keeping the pound is the worst thing they could do? Model their finances on Iceland? Tyranny of the UK? Do you know how ridiculous the things that you've said are?

None of those things are ridiculous. Open your eyes and see what is going in the UK.

a) The UK is bankrupt. The pound isn't worth the digits they use on a computer screen to print it. It has gone to zombie fraudulent banks and if it ever reaches the street you have hyper inflation. You all have the debt both personal and national. It is a mess and Scotland doesn't need to be associating with that.
b) Iceland said no to giving up their nation to international bankers, Britain does the opposite keeping its citizens poorer through financial repression.
c) Tyranny for sure (undemocratic, police state, austerity for only the poor, unchecked immigration, subservient press, stopping people at airports, economic slavery via repression etc).

I have explained my points and it is for you to tell me why I am wrong. Nothing I have said is ridiculous, but I admit it might seem strange to anyone who simply reads the papers. That's another problem with the UK, they don't tell people the truth.

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

They need to keep the pound so they have a central bank who can bail out Lloyds and RBS the next time they have huge losses. Both are HQd in Scotland. If they're part of the euro there's no bailout and Scotland makes Greece look like Monte Carlo, the whole country in crushing debt for over half a century as a best case scenario.

It's all irrelevant anyway. The yes campaign would need to be currently running at 60% support as people will peel off from fear of the unknown as the vote gets closer. Barring some miracle Scotland says no to independence by a decent margin.

Royal Bank of Scotland has already said they would stay in England, so they can stay. Then the other one can just go broke or stay too if they like. England hates its own people, but will very happily bail out corporations that they like.

Scotland should throw out the trash and do things properly. They should show how a system should work, rather than copy the methods of the most corrupt financial sectors in the world.

I want to see models with alternatives that can show people how a system should be run. It would also show the English people how abused they have been and in turn might well inspire them.

Scottish independence could be a great thing for the region. Instead of sinking with it all, Scotland can shine a beam of light and say 'This is a country of the people for the people'. A lot of other nations have totally forgotten about representing the people.