Thread: 9-11...after all this time do you really think it was terrorists?

I'm not really sure why you are having difficulty applying the same international standards to your own country. Currently your country is talking about banning Russia from the G8 and imposing sanctions, but these same standards are never applied to your country, when logic would dictate that they should be.

It is these kinds of double standards that bother people. Iraq should never have been under sanctions as logic would dictate that America should have already been sanctioned. Oh, but 'Saddam had to go'. Well, most would say the same about the Western puppets too. Where is their justice? It's not conspiracy to say that there are double standards.

ameriKKKa needs to go. it thinks it can tell every country what to do. and coerce it to do its bidding. ultimate in arrogance. when you travel abroad you really meet thousands and thousands of people who say "thank God you Steve are not the typical amerikkkan!" I do not blindly support amerikkka, "love it or leave it" was the slogan---that just tells you something right there---the inflexibility, the Nazi-ism----"love it or leave it"----fuck you scumbags----- what does that mean? TOW THE COMPANY LINE, DONT COMPLAIN, BE HAPPY WHAT YOU GOT, YOU COULD BEIN CUBA, BLAH BLAH BLAH----It means DONT THINK. DONT QUESTION. I actually saw billboards in Arizona during the Gulf "WAR" that read :

STOP QUESTIONING YOUR LEADERS! BE A PATRIOT! IF YOURE NOT FOR US, YOURE AGAINST US!!

That sums up the idiocy of amerikkka. It is frightening. more frightening that when you point this out, ameriKKKins dont see it. Refuse to see it. In denial.

""" hey, bitch, dont talk shit 'bout 'Murrica."""

I've never believed it some 'inside job' or a direct Government action. No way. Now if we're talking inaction, playing both sides and misguided foreign policy coming back to bite us in the ass..its not the first time. Shit, how we still act shocked about Japan attacking us is a little shallow. As far as Iraq and to sound 100 proof cynical...I thought then and still do that it was done only as a swerve to basically illustrate and show conventional military action and direct results to a nation looking and expecting such. You were not getting that in Afghanistan and it was unobtainable in a literal sense. The majority of Americans believed he had a direct hand in the attacks and the prop men and carnival barkers in Washington were just fine with that, they loved it! Iraq was a travisty. We had tremendous leverage after hit and Saddam was pretty much shitting himself knowning payback was on our mind, they probally could have gone in stealthy, not disbanded the army ffs and basically cut the head off with few knowing. alright I'm done Popping off like a fool...keeping with tradition its off to the midnight grill to eat dead bbq cow, drink cheap inferior booze and yell to my neighbors wife. 'Murrica rules bitches!

Originally Posted by mrbig1

Has anyone ever saw a building come straight down? Building 7 wasn't hit but it came straight down as well. Only demolition buildings come straight down. I don't care what people say. I have eyes of my own and can think for myself. I believe it was terrorists but our Government knew about it and did nothing. So they helped it along with demolition. I'm willing to listen if someone could explain this to me. So start explaining.

In the event of a catostrophic structural failure, large skyscrapers are designed to collapse DOWNWARDS.

What does more damage to the surrounding area? A building collapsing down and covering it's own area or toplling sideways and covering SEVERAL city blocks.

I think if we could pick 1 country to remove that would improve the entire world as a whole it would be the United States.

Absolute maggot state to be honest. A blatant abuse of power and wealth. Their policies work everyone to death for chump change whilst the rich get mega wealthy off the sweat of ordinary people makes me sick!

I think in their absence Russia would solidify their alliance with China and Iran and control the whole Asian continent along with some of their loyal states in Europe and the European Union would form a sovereign state and provide the basis for a new superpower of far fairer and evenly spread wealth than the US regime.

The European and the "Eurasian" unions together could decisively and efficiently sort out any problems on their supercontinent without any medalling from that poofter state the US!!

Not a fan.. My own country chooses to model itself after it and conditions here are faltering alarmingly now!! In another 50 years, Australia will be completely sold out and we'll be speaking Chinese!!

The real history s found in both the winning and losing annuals; trouble between Islam and Christians goes back along way,we have alot to answer for when you read the home teams stories. No wonder they never forget an enemy. This last paragraph shocked me after reading through the Knights Templar history what the west gained from being in the east in regards all knowledge architecture and other secrets pertaining to geomerty in religion etc;then came this shocker .


In contrast, interaction with the foreign invaders produced little
positive effects for the Middle
-
Eastern Muslims.
•
The Crusaders had proved themselves to be a terrible enemy.
•
The
much vaunted ideal of chivalry rarely carried through to
the actual battles fought for the Holy Land. Many European
victories were followed by extensive massacres of men,
women and children. After a bloody battle at
Ma'arra
in which
thousands were probably killed a European chronicler writes,
"our troops boiled pagan adults in cooking
-
pots; they impaled
children on spits and devoured them
grilled“.
It was hard for
Muslims to identify with such cruel adversaries. These horrors
served to
demonize the Westerners and their Christianity
.

Sure it was... that's what the usa is, always has been.

They began as terrorists in north america.

In the last 20 years alone, the yanks have invaded 22 countries.

They have military bases in 130 other Nations with over 900 american military bases.

Their streets in peacetime are littered with 15 thousand murders per year.
USA police kill more americans per year than the Iraqis and Afghans did per year in those wars.

Even their national anthem is violent.

The yanks will sacrifice thousands of their own people with false flags attacks to garner public support for going to war, it's all propaganda.

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Originally Posted by mrbig1

Has anyone ever saw a building come straight down? Building 7 wasn't hit but it came straight down as well. Only demolition buildings come straight down. I don't care what people say. I have eyes of my own and can think for myself. I believe it was terrorists but our Government knew about it and did nothing. So they helped it along with demolition. I'm willing to listen if someone could explain this to me. So start explaining.

In the event of a catostrophic structural failure, large skyscrapers are designed to collapse DOWNWARDS.

What does more damage to the surrounding area? A building collapsing down and covering it's own area or toplling sideways and covering SEVERAL city blocks.

Building 7 was hit by debris and fire from its sister building. The intense fire damaged the volume holding the building up. When a building the size of WTC it does not fall in a nice little fire. Debris was strewn for miles. Anything close to the buildings suffered damage, some of it catastrophic. Steel melts, the structures were held together by steel.

The surveillance camera at the Pentagon did not capture the plane hitting the building so people say it is another sign of conspiracy. What about the eyewitnesses and the fact that pieces of a plane were found at the impact.

I don't believe the conspiracy theories but I do think South Korea was behind the killing of Kennedy.

Edit: Better video. Not enough content in last one.

9-11 was the event that made the untouchables think they could get away with anything. It led to the police state, it led to wars based on hocus pocus, contradiction and lies (again), and today continues with people being killed by drones with no real evidence even being gathered.

9-11 was seemingly the greatest false flag power grab seen in modern times. And to be fair to America they get away with it each time. 9-11 was conspired, Afghanistan was an attempt to capture...Afgh....Saudis in Afghanistan, Iraq was an attempt to?....then it continues with Libya and even through to today with the Americans paying billions to the Ukraine rebels and hey presto snipers appear and seal the deal. Snipers always seem to show up.

It's a pattern and one nation is typically behind much of it. It's not a conspiracy to say that. It's a fact. It is also no coincidence that the American population is so divided on race, class, religion, and political divides. The propaganda preys on it. Most Americans hate their society, but they are powerless. They really need a third party, the same with Britain as the Lib Dems will become extinct. That is a good thing.

It also doesn't help when the NSA/GCHQ itself is out there playing forum troll on forums and up to all kinds of no good. To think that is where taxpayer money goes! England has shit like the monarchy already. England also has a lot of other shit going on like the City of London which is a country within a country. There are also the masons that have corrupted the police force and have ties all the way back to The City and the banks. Then of course the spies have complete control over the government and you start to see why nobody is in prison for the banking crisis.

I don't think most people are drawing the dots on the UK connections and how it is all connected. I would also include Paedophile rings too, seeing how Cameron didn't want to report his advisor of 20 years and of course Cameron has a Nanny from Nepal, because as we know English people are terrible and can never be trusted with children. Maybe Cameron knows something about Tories and just why was Saville never arrested for being a pervert? Either way there are a lot of rumours about parliamentary paedophile rings. He obviously wasn't doing it alone.

My main conclusion about it all is that these particular regimes are questionable beyond all measure and all one needs to do is to follow each event and see how they respond. They are very predicable.

What a load of inconsistent hypocrisy. Saddam was not a true man, the crusades have nothing to do with it and spying on people is not the same thing as considered genocide. Seeking to give legitimacy to those who would willingly murder people of all nations just because the buildings targeted were in America a country you have decided is the new Satan just removes any credence from your own argument. It is only by inventing the notion that 9/11 was an inside job that you can then backwards engineer half the conspiracy theories that people seem to enjoy. What are you trying to prove? That everybody else but yourselves and Alex Jones are unsophisticated naive simpletons ? It's both disrespectful of the dead and motivated by a desire to make everything seem pointless and remove responsibility from your own hands and blame others not stupid enough to be spoonfed krap from the corporate, capitalist conspiracy business. Sucky,sucky, five dollah?

Anyone that believes a building (WTC 7) can just fall down without being touched is one of 3 things...

Thick as shit

Deluded

On a wind up

There is no way on earth that can possibly happen unless it was pre rigged with controlled explosives and that fact alone is all the proof anyone needs that foul play was used.

But the ultimate proof has nothing to do with any of the buildings "collapsing" just the simple fact that no military planes were scrambled to engage and shoot down FOUR stray passenger jets.

A radio message from one of the crew on the New York bound plane was sent saying 2 of the crew had been stabbed and one has his throat cut and that the plane had been hijacked but still no military planes were sent , this Is 100% fact and was 17 minutes after take off so the US air traffic control knew that soon there was a major problem very early in the day and the military should have been notified within minutes.

Again that is fact and also known as Protocol!

Fact
There were 67 military scrambles over US skies between sept 2000 and June 2001.

The Pentagon like the MI5 building is armed with surface to air missiles but none were used even though the plane allegedley "crashed" 40 minutes after the second WTC plane did (again no military planes were scrambled).

Then the Pennsylvania "crash" happened 67 minutes after the second WTC "crash" and still no military jets sent.

This is the most powerful and largest military nation in the world remember and also very bad liars


http://www.globalissues.org/article/476/where-was-the-air-force-the-real-question-on-9-11

During the London Olympics last year RAF Northolt had several fighter jets ready to fly across the City from NW to East London and engage or shoot down any hijacked planes, this was common knowledge, there were six sites around the Olympic village with surface to air missles also.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/snipers-missiles-and-fighter-jets-over-london-get-ready-for-a-1bn-olympic-ring-of-steel-7697856.html

Anyone trying to say that the American military was unable to protect New York City and the Pentagon for nearly 2 hours (conveniently) on the day of their worst ever "terrorist attack" needs to read above, then do one

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

What a load of inconsistent hypocrisy. Saddam was not a true man, the crusades have nothing to do with it and spying on people is not the same thing as considered genocide. Seeking to give legitimacy to those who would willingly murder people of all nations just because the buildings targeted were in America a country you have decided is the new Satan just removes any credence from your own argument. It is only by inventing the notion that 9/11 was an inside job that you can then backwards engineer half the conspiracy theories that people seem to enjoy. What are you trying to prove? That everybody else but yourselves and Alex Jones are unsophisticated naive simpletons ? It's both disrespectful of the dead and motivated by a desire to make everything seem pointless and remove responsibility from your own hands and blame others not stupid enough to be spoonfed krap from the corporate, capitalist conspiracy business. Sucky,sucky, five dollah?

Have I ever said Saddam was a true man? No, I haven't. My previous post explains what I think and maybe you have read it or just watched Alex Jones, I don't know. But either way nothing you say makes sense to me. Saddam was invaded for WMD. Nothing more. Nothing should ever be added to Saddam beyond the script to destroy Blair.

I am my own person and what I say is me. You say drivel like make up your own mind don't listen to A, B, and C. That annoys me because you are condescending and don't know what I am doing. When commenting on Crimea, I have no idea what Galloway thinks, or Chomsky, but you say crap like I am the sheep. I do read your media and I see that you are sheep. I formulated my views on my own and they are still correct. It is you that is the bleating lamb. I have all the time to formulate my views and maybe you do too, but most don't. I know I have time and won't be warped by idiots.

You seem to have some particular aversion to Noam Chomsky. What is it? Because he himself is smarter than you? That he is more able than you? He holds down the TRUTH for half a century and still does it and yes, I agree with him. You can accuse me of being arrogant and whatever, but not Chomsky, and yet you do. That is your hypocrisy. Chomsky's politics are on a line with mine, but they follow your curve a lot too. You are very arrogant.

The real world is that Europe will fall, Britain has to collapse, America, Japan and Europe too. The UK itself is commiting suicide. The Lib Dem greatest idea 'let immigrants bring parents and grandparents'. Haha, do you know the real world? Not really, you have no idea. The UK is the centre of lots of crazy stuff. Nobody imports extended family and for good reason, it will further kill the economy! You will likely love the idea as you live there, live sheltered, and don't see the world.

Originally Posted by smashup

Anyone that believes a building (WTC 7) can just fall down without being touched is one of 3 things...

Thick as shit

Deluded

On a wind up

There is no way on earth that can possibly happen unless it was pre rigged with controlled explosives and that fact alone is all the proof anyone needs that foul play was used.

But the ultimate proof has nothing to do with any of the buildings "collapsing" just the simple fact that no military planes were scrambled to engage and shoot down FOUR stray passenger jets.

A radio message from one of the crew on the New York bound plane was sent saying 2 of the crew had been stabbed and one has his throat cut and that the plane had been hijacked but still no military planes were sent

The Pentagon like the MI5 building is armed with surface to air missiles but none were used even though the plane allegedley "crashed" 40 minutes after the second WTC plane did (again no military planes were scrambled).

Then the Pennsylvania "crash" happened 67 minutes after the second WTC "crash" and still no military jets sent.

This is the most powerful and largest military nation in the world remember and also very bad liars


Where Was the Air Force? The Real Question on 9-11 — Global Issues

So, this is the government shill. And oh so obvious considering you haven't formulated a single idea.