Thread: Russia vs Ukraine..

Oh a bump to the thread...thanks for making sure everyone knows just how wrong you have been

you blame the US for funneling money into Ukraine while Russia was busy robbing the country. In the recent election, the separatists announced 96 percent of the people voted with them. Bullshit, when have ninety eight percent of people agreed with anything

5 billion dollars of middle class American taxpayers dollars spent on creating unrest in a far off country is a bit much though, isn't it? Oh, but it is to expand the influence of US multinational corporations, so using the 99%'s money to subsidize the aims of the 1% is justified? Look at who is now on the board of the Ukraine's largest gas producer. Conflict of interest much? At least in the old days these lunatics would pretend to be the good guys, but now they are outright Nazi-esque with the political hegemony and brute force.

The Farce Is Complete: Joe Biden's Son Joins Board Of Largest Ukraine Gas Producer | Zero Hedge

Ukrainian soldiers killed in ambush by pro-Russian seperatists armed with machine guns and RPGs...hmmm where could they have gotten those

Originally Posted by walrus

you blame the US for funneling money into Ukraine while Russia was busy robbing the country. In the recent election, the separatists announced 96 percent of the people voted with them. Bullshit, when have ninety eight percent of people agreed with anything

In 1991 Yeltsin (Russia's leader at the time) voluntarily gave up Russian sovereignty over Crimea for the first time in history. The Crimean people were furious about this and the regional government organised a referendum. The exact same percentage (90 odd percent, whatever it was) voted in 1991 to remain part of Russia but Russia ignored the will of the people and handed it over to Ukraine. Rather than robbing Crimea, it'll cost Russia up to ten billion dollars a year to keep the lights on and pay the bills in Crimea. And Russia has been giving Ukraine in general billions of dollars of free gas for well over a decade now.

This part of the world has been crucial to energy markets since the Warsaw Pact fell apart. Part of my job since the same year, 1991, has been speculating on energy markets so I've been following what happens there for nearly quarter of a century now. This isn't something I suddenly started taking notice of when western media started covering it recently.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Oh a bump to the thread...thanks for making sure everyone knows just how wrong you have been

Yes, you only have to read through it to see how wrong I've been.

Ukraine holds key to Putin's dream of a new union

By Timothy Heritage
MOSCOW Fri Nov 29, 2013







(Reuters) - Ukraine's refusal to sign a trade pact drawing it into Europe's orbit marked a victory for Vladimir Putin, winning him time to lure Kiev into a project for a trade and political bloc stretching from the frontiers of China to the edge of the EU.


The Russian president sees his "Eurasian Union", in which Ukraine would play a central role, as a future rival to China, the United States and the European Union. Some say he sees it as the president's personal political legacy - a strong force emerging from the ashes of the old Soviet Union.
"The Eurasian Union is a very important project for Putin. Without Ukraine, he will lose all enthusiasm for it," said Gleb Pavlovsky, a former Kremlin spin doctor who has also worked in Ukraine. "Without Ukraine, Putin's project is impossible."..........................




Ukraine holds key to Putin's dream of a new union | Reuters

Ukraine: 6 soldiers killed in ambush - CNN.com

Russia holding Ukraine hostage over natural gas prices/availability
Russia sponsoring militant separatists in Ukraine/Crimea


But see these are trivialities because the United States may have sent money to Ukraine and some Ukrainian leaders had the fucking gall to want to be a part of Europe rather than be under Russia's thumb so can't you see it's great, Russia is just having a reunion is all and we all know reunions are fun and positive, maybe they can reenact the Holodomor in the coming years eh Comrades?

I think you are appalling, Lyle. You can never seem to quite see through the barrier that your nation is the leading terrorist state in the world. Obama, is of course, quite terrible, but your nation has been a horror story for decades and to see you in this thread is cringe worthy. You are being humiliated in every second post and yet still you come in for more. You hate Obama, yet when it is this foreign policy, it is suddenly correct? You have no consistency, thus should be called out as a fraud.

It is very funny, but if you have any decency about you, you would stop as you have lost every, single point.

Ah miles has stopped in....yeah still blocked.


Hope you're well though, and I'm sure you're loving the anti-Semitic component to this whole ordeal. About time someone put those fucking Jews in their place right miles?

I hope you are okay too as when you are good you can make very good points. I am just surprised how off you seem in a thread like this with the Barry cheer leading.

I hate all systems of concentrated power as they are like a cancer. They are seldom good for the hosts body and will sell the body to the highest bidder even though it isn't theirs to sell. That is what the Ukraine is all about. The Ukraine is being sold by a coup government and Biden's son is now working for the Ukrainian energy corporation! It is a massive red flag, but it wasn't as if any of this was secret.

What we should all agree on is that America and Russia should keep out and new and open elections should take place ASAP. It won't happen though as America will not risk 5bn dollars on potentially being rejected and an self concerning patriotic Ukrainian will reject them. Only force and bribery will get this job done and the goal is energy and GMO food to make the elite richer as all they know is pillage and plunder.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Ah miles has stopped in....yeah still blocked.


Hope you're well though, and I'm sure you're loving the anti-Semitic component to this whole ordeal. About time someone put those fucking Jews in their place right miles?

Opinion: Rein in Ukraine's neo-fascists - CNN.com

As University of Ottawa political scientist Ivan Katchanovski writes: “The far right in Ukraine has now achieved the level of representation and influence that is unparalleled in Europe. A member of Svoboda, a name adopted by the Social-National Party in 2004, became the Minister of Defense. Svoboda members also control the prosecutor general office, the deputy prime minister position and the ministries of ecology and agriculture. The paramilitary right sector has de facto power at least in some Western Ukrainian regions, such as the Rivne and Volyn Regions. Anriy Parubiy, the commander of the “Maidan self-defense,” has been appointed the head of the National Security and Defense Council, and [Dmitro] Yarosh, the leader of Right Sector, is expected to become his deputy.”

Can Ukraine Control Its Far Right Ultranationalists? - The Daily Beast