Thread: Boxing is No1

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Canelos PPV sales against Angulo will likely beat any of this years UFC sales.

Actually it came up about 700k buys short.

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Canelos PPV sales against Angulo will likely beat any of this years UFC sales.

Actually it came up about 700k buys short.

Thats a fair point. Last I checked UFC was regularly doing between 200-300k. Shocked to see one do over a million.

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

The thing is any asshole with a good punch and a gritty attitude can be in the UFC... with boxing, it's a little more contained. You actually need skill to win against someone equally as skilled.

There is also something more classier to boxing over mma... from training, to pre-fight hype to fight night.

It was only recently the riff-raff started to invade the boxing stands- this was not how this was. This was a gentleman's sport, and a black tie affair in the early days.

Boxing is truly a sport, while mma is just an event you go to see.

That 1st line is such ignorant bullshit. A good punch is pretty much the last thing you need in MMA.

You obviously read the words and didn't contain the meaning- I said a good punch AND a "gritty attitude"... which suggests you need to be able to grapple, knowing how to do so in an effective manner moreso than a skillful manner.

Even with "ground and pound", you need a good punch. On the top or the bottom. Nothing in the fight game can make up for not having a good wollop- or else we will have what we have been having, boring ass fights with guys rolling around the floor until someone gets tired and gets his leg snapped or his neck twisted- which is more rare in UFC than are ko's, by a wide ass margin.

UFC Finishing Stats Indicate Rise in Decisions - MMA Fighting

You're trying to make it out as if there is no skill involved and that the stronger man wins. That logic can be applied to boxing too. Scott is the more skillfull boxer then Wilder but Wilder beat him in 1 because he has a bigger punch and Scott has no heart. Here the better puncher and "grittier" fighter one.

I find it the opposite for UFC. Look at Anderson Silva or GSP. Neither you would consider the strongest in their divs but spiders slick skills and GSPs outstanding wrestling has elevated them above everyone else.

To some extent, but at the end of the day- to me that is- what do you need to know about rolling around on the ground and hitting someone in the face?

I think Silva is a skilled fighter- but fighters like him, are fighters like Floyd and Ali. We have more skilled level fighters in boxing than we have in UFC/mma.

MMA has been branded a brawlers style of fighting in my mind... boxing just has more mystique and class about it, barring the odd pre-fight brawls and dodgy promoters.

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

The thing is any asshole with a good punch and a gritty attitude can be in the UFC... with boxing, it's a little more contained. You actually need skill to win against someone equally as skilled.

There is also something more classier to boxing over mma... from training, to pre-fight hype to fight night.

It was only recently the riff-raff started to invade the boxing stands- this was not how this was. This was a gentleman's sport, and a black tie affair in the early days.

Boxing is truly a sport, while mma is just an event you go to see.

That 1st line is such ignorant bullshit. A good punch is pretty much the last thing you need in MMA.

You obviously read the words and didn't contain the meaning- I said a good punch AND a "gritty attitude"... which suggests you need to be able to grapple, knowing how to do so in an effective manner moreso than a skillful manner.

Even with "ground and pound", you need a good punch. On the top or the bottom. Nothing in the fight game can make up for not having a good wollop- or else we will have what we have been having, boring ass fights with guys rolling around the floor until someone gets tired and gets his leg snapped or his neck twisted- which is more rare in UFC than are ko's, by a wide ass margin.

UFC Finishing Stats Indicate Rise in Decisions - MMA Fighting

You're trying to make it out as if there is no skill involved and that the stronger man wins. That logic can be applied to boxing too. Scott is the more skillfull boxer then Wilder but Wilder beat him in 1 because he has a bigger punch and Scott has no heart. Here the better puncher and "grittier" fighter one.

I find it the opposite for UFC. Look at Anderson Silva or GSP. Neither you would consider the strongest in their divs but spiders slick skills and GSPs outstanding wrestling has elevated them above everyone else.

To some extent, but at the end of the day- to me that is- what do you need to know about rolling around on the ground and hitting someone in the face?

I think Silva is a skilled fighter- but fighters like him, are fighters like Floyd and Ali. We have more skilled level fighters in boxing than we have in UFC/mma.

MMA has been branded a brawlers style of fighting in my mind... boxing just has more mystique and class about it, barring the odd pre-fight brawls and dodgy promoters.

Try training in it and you'll see.

Besides, I have seen hundreds more World-Star Hip Hop fights that would make UFC/MMA fights look like chicken shit. lololol... MUCH MORE entertaining.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa5-tVla8pg

UFC highest ever PPV - 1.6m, 2009 - Brock Lesnar.

2nd highest PPV - 1.1m, 2010 - Brock Lesnar.

3rd highest PPV - 1.1m, 2013 - Weidman vs. Silva II

4th highest PPV - 1m, 2010 - Brock Lesnar

5th highest PPV - 1m, 2008 - Brock Lesnar

So a WWE crossover star is the most popular attraction ever in the UFC. Since Lesnar's last fight they've cracked the million mark just once in four years, with Anderson Silva, who is the UFC P4P equivalent of Floyd, right?

Don't worry about boxing losing Floyd and Manny, you should be worrying about the UFC finding a new WWE star.

Brock was a huge PPV selling machine for sure, but you're also leaving out UFC 158 (St. Pierre vs Diaz) that did 1.1 million and UFC 66 (Ortiz vs Liddell 2) that did over a million.

Big names sell big PPVs for each sport. It's the same with boxing. Check out boxing's PPV numbers.

Pay-per-view - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To find a PPV that cracked 500k buys that didn't feature the name De La Hoya (retired), Mayweather (nearing retirement) or Pacquiao (nearing retirement), you have to go back to 2003 when Roy Jones fought John Ruiz.

The problem with boxing is that it has all it's eggs in one basket. It has a few big names that draw a lot, but those are near retirement and there aren't any real stars set to take their place. Take those guys out of the picture, and PPV revenue is few and far between.

The UFC puts off a show nearly every week (not PPV), I reckon on average about 2 PPV's a month, and they CONSISTENTLY gather several hundred thousand buys. Like I mentioned earlier, UFC 170 did about 400k buys and it was one of the worst cards in recent memory. It was plagued by injuries and fighters dropping out of big fights, and it was headlined by two women fighters. And it STILL outdrew Canelo.

People seem to forget that boxing is a BUSINESS, and businesses need REVENUE to operate.

The revenue that Mayweather generates gives promotion companies the overhead needed to sign other fighters and put on other big matches.

When Mayweather and Pacquiao are gone, who's going to bring home the bacon for boxing? You're talking about a SERIOUS dip in revenue, and there's nobody poised to take control.

Originally Posted by Fenster

UFC highest ever PPV - 1.6m, 2009 - Brock Lesnar.

2nd highest PPV - 1.1m, 2010 - Brock Lesnar.

3rd highest PPV - 1.1m, 2013 - Weidman vs. Silva II

4th highest PPV - 1m, 2010 - Brock Lesnar

5th highest PPV - 1m, 2008 - Brock Lesnar

So a WWE crossover star is the most popular attraction ever in the UFC. Since Lesnar's last fight they've cracked the million mark just once in four years, with Anderson Silva, who is the UFC P4P equivalent of Floyd, right?

Don't worry about boxing losing Floyd and Manny, you should be worrying about the UFC finding a new WWE star.

That stings.... but it's a good sting. I forgot about Lesnar- but the truth is, as you are alluding to, is that he is the side show for the sport more than he was the face of the sport. A WWE man that already had a fan base prior to getting into the UFC.

He is the equivalent of Mike Tyson after the second Holyfield fight. Simply just a travelling circus.... and, as such, people detested Mike for that farce of a second half of a career. Even Mike himself said in his last fight that he lost that it was time to get out of the game IF he continues to embarrass the sport the way he was doing for the last three years prior.


Goes back to another point I made earlier- UFC/MMA are "events", sorta like the circus or carnival. You go to an event. I like good shows and events. I like David Copperfield and David Blaine. But boxing is a brand sport.... a real professional sport. Just can't compare the two anymore.

Originally Posted by Dia bando

A friend of mine was giving me rock on MMA, is overtaking boxing,! so I asked a simple question
name me a World MMA HW Champion, he looked at me blank guess he did not no.!
Then I asked who is World HW boxing champion, he said Klits brothers so much for MMA fans
they don't no who there Champs are, but boxing well he new the answer.
Boxing has and always will be No1.











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Why does one or the other have to be the best? You act like you are afraid MMA will become more popular. Relax! They are both here to stay.
MMA is popular for the same reasons boxing is popular, the one on one competitive urge all humans have, displays of heart, skill and our need to know who is the best.
If you really want to know why MMA is becoming as popular as boxing, look in a mirror.

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by Dia bando

A friend of mine was giving me rock on MMA, is overtaking boxing,! so I asked a simple question
name me a World MMA HW Champion, he looked at me blank guess he did not no.!
Then I asked who is World HW boxing champion, he said Klits brothers so much for MMA fans
they don't no who there Champs are, but boxing well he new the answer.
Boxing has and always will be No1.











1

Why does one or the other have to be the best? You act like you are afraid MMA will become more popular. Relax! They are both here to stay.
MMA is popular for the same reasons boxing is popular, the one on one competitive urge all humans have, displays of heart, skill and our need to know who is the best.
If you really want to know why MMA is becoming as popular as boxing, look in a mirror.

UFC people started it by egging on boxers to enter into the sport if they dared. It's like a professional wrestler, or even an amateur wrestler, asking a boxer to enter into the sport off the rip.

It's like asking a rugby player, with no football experience, to enter into American and/or standard football/soccer.

It's pathetic.

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

The thing is any asshole with a good punch and a gritty attitude can be in the UFC... with boxing, it's a little more contained. You actually need skill to win against someone equally as skilled.

There is also something more classier to boxing over mma... from training, to pre-fight hype to fight night.

It was only recently the riff-raff started to invade the boxing stands- this was not how this was. This was a gentleman's sport, and a black tie affair in the early days.

Boxing is truly a sport, while mma is just an event you go to see.

That 1st line is such ignorant bullshit. A good punch is pretty much the last thing you need in MMA.

You obviously read the words and didn't contain the meaning- I said a good punch AND a "gritty attitude"... which suggests you need to be able to grapple, knowing how to do so in an effective manner moreso than a skillful manner.

Even with "ground and pound", you need a good punch. On the top or the bottom. Nothing in the fight game can make up for not having a good wollop- or else we will have what we have been having, boring ass fights with guys rolling around the floor until someone gets tired and gets his leg snapped or his neck twisted- which is more rare in UFC than are ko's, by a wide ass margin.

UFC Finishing Stats Indicate Rise in Decisions - MMA Fighting

You're trying to make it out as if there is no skill involved and that the stronger man wins. That logic can be applied to boxing too. Scott is the more skillfull boxer then Wilder but Wilder beat him in 1 because he has a bigger punch and Scott has no heart. Here the better puncher and "grittier" fighter one.

I find it the opposite for UFC. Look at Anderson Silva or GSP. Neither you would consider the strongest in their divs but spiders slick skills and GSPs outstanding wrestling has elevated them above everyone else.

You fall over you lose, not much skill sted head heaven.

Beanflicker, You're comparing the UFC with American boxing whilst completely ignoring that boxing is a hugely successful global sport that shows no sign of declining due to the UFC.

I can't see any evidence that boxing's popularity has faded in America due to the UFC either.

AS for the UFC 170 girls fight beating Canelo-Angulo? What was the PPV price for both and what did the gate gross? I read the UFC NEVER reveal official figures for any event?

Originally Posted by Max Power

Boxing will always be the number one fighting sport obviously.

Not enough people are stupid enough to participate in MMA as a sport to raise it to a truly professional level like boxing is.

Like Larry Merchant said you can't take a sport seriously in which you can be a world champion with a record of 6-2 or something like that.

The art of punching slick targets and learning how to slip punches exclusively requires far greater reflexes and speed than kicking and a lot higher skills than rolling around on the fucking floor.

I find MMA really boring, I've never seen a MMA fight which I can describe as a really terrific event like so many great boxing matches are.

Besides, MMA is really a local American contest with marginal worldwide involvement at this stage where as boxing has become a global sport.

Larry Merchant is old in mind and body, don't put too much stock in what the poor old boy has to say. LOL .
Everyone has their opinion about everything but if you think MMA is not growing you have your head buried in the sand .

Originally Posted by Fenster

Beanflicker, You're comparing the UFC with American boxing whilst completely ignoring that boxing is a hugely successful global sport that shows no sign of declining due to the UFC.

I can't see any evidence that boxing's popularity has faded in America due to the UFC either.

AS for the UFC 170 girls fight beating Canelo-Angulo? What was the PPV price for both and what did the gate gross? I read the UFC NEVER reveal official figures for any event?

... and like Kickboxing and Muay Thai wasn't around in other places. I prefer Muay Thai if I had my rathers over UFC any day. jmo...