Thread: ive heard old timers talking about Willy Pep beating Floyd Mayweather

And how he was a magical fighter who could have beaten every great modern featherweights lol..

I think Morales, pac, and junior jones would have tore him a new one..

Thoughts in pep?

Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

And how he was a magical fighter who could have beaten every great modern featherweights lol..

I think Morales, pac, and junior jones would have tore him a new one..

Thoughts in pep?

Haha that's a new one for me. No prizes for guessing which of the usual suspects that would have been!!

Look Willie might have been great in his day and he always will be great. But thinking he could really mount even a decent performance against tremendous modern fighters like Erik and Manny etc.

I don't expect this thread to generate any positive feedback at all LOL

I think he was fast footed and understood where to be and where not to be, very nimble boxer he broke the old mould of fighting only one way around, as he mixed it up and fought square on but used unorthodox footwork to stay out of harms way so was hard to hit flush. Sadler gave him some decent fights but I think he is questionable himself skill wise,the fights dont look like they have got much percussive smack in the punches like some of the modern guys, but he would probably win on points against anyone average. The modern Mexican lesser weights would have stalked him down and gone to war if they caught him, dont know how harder hit he could take, dude used to bend with wind but you can only do that for so long I could see a modern fighter ignoring his punches and walking right on through him.
Which version /weight of Floyd they saying he could beat ?

Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

And how he was a magical fighter who could have beaten every great modern featherweights lol..

I think Morales, pac, and junior jones would have tore him a new one..

Thoughts in pep?

Pep was the original "make em miss, then make em pay"

Good fighter and I think he and Floyd may have been the single most skilful and boring fight we'd ever see.

His speed was comparable with Floyd also.

The thing is Pep was an average sized featherweight and would have made Floyd look pretty big.

Yeah but Vendetos being a prototype and being the equivalent is 2 different things.

I've heard similar comparisons made between Floyd and Sweet Pea.

I like Sweet Pea and think he was one of the great fighters of the 80's but I'm not convinced he was at Floyds level h2h.

Kind of like a safety first and safety second fighter where as Floyd's laser like counters add up to stoppages for less than the toughest opponents.

I don't think Pep could expose Floyd's chin but I do think Floyd would show us Peps.

Any argument of past versus present is just dumb, especially when you reach that far back. Things were different. The sport was different and Pep should never in a million years be compared to Mayweather or vice versa. I always use the example of Leonard-Hearns I, Leonard would have lost that fight if it took place 10 years later.

Any "old timers" still around never saw Ray Robinson fight in his prime, how the hell could they be so definitive that he would have beat anyone? And it works the other way around to. If Mayweather fought 10 times a year, he would be a different fighter and boxing would be a different sport. This goes for all sports and the topic is really just a bore. The same goes for every sport, every movie and everything beyond that.

first off, you have to think about the weight cutting issue. pep wasnt really cutting weight and weighed at the featherweight limit while mayweather even at super feather was still cutting weight and would naturally be at least 15 pounds bigger. also, remember that pep was virtually unstoppable early on in his career before he got into a plane crash where the doctors said that he would never be able to walk again yet he ended up recovering and boxing for many years after that.

pep is one of the greatest fighters ever. easily the greatest featherweight ever. there is no way that you can watch pep and think that he wouldnt be the best featherweight right now easily. so if we are comparing him to mayweather at 130, then it would be a close fight because mayweather would be quite a bit bigger still. i couldnt say for certain who wins.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

And how he was a magical fighter who could have beaten every great modern featherweights lol..

I think Morales, pac, and junior jones would have tore him a new one..

Thoughts in pep?

Pep was the original "make em miss, then make em pay"

Good fighter and I think he and Floyd may have been the single most skilful and boring fight we'd ever see.

His speed was comparable with Floyd also.

The thing is Pep was an average sized featherweight and would have made Floyd look pretty big.

Lol can you imagine? Talk about a bore fest. I dont even know one person who would actually want to see it.

I've never been a big Pep fan, don't much like his style. I think he would give Morales fits, however, and I saw a lot of Morales from the start of his career. The thing about Pep losing to Saddler, Saddler man-handled Pep, made him mad and got him out of his fight plan. He made him fight stupid. In the one fight where pep kept his cool, he gave Saddler a boxing lesson. Morales isn't going to fight him that way as it is not in his nature.
I don't think Mayweather ever fought at 126 and, if he did, it wasn't same day weigh in. When Pep fought at 130 and 135 his was miles away from his best. I don't think an old Pep would beat a guy as good as Mayweather that also happened to be a welterweight. All things being equal, size-wise, it would come down to whether or not Pep could make Floyd come to him. If he could, he'd win. If not the fight would be so bad nobody would care.

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

I've never been a big Pep fan, don't much like his style. I think he would give Morales fits, however, and I saw a lot of Morales from the start of his career. The thing about Pep losing to Saddler, Saddler man-handled Pep, made him mad and got him out of his fight plan. He made him fight stupid. In the one fight where pep kept his cool, he gave Saddler a boxing lesson. Morales isn't going to fight him that way as it is not in his nature.
I don't think Mayweather ever fought at 126 and, if he did, it wasn't same day weigh in. When Pep fought at 130 and 135 his was miles away from his best. I don't think an old Pep would beat a guy as good as Mayweather that also happened to be a welterweight. All things being equal, size-wise, it would come down to whether or not Pep could make Floyd come to him. If he could, he'd win. If not the fight would be so bad nobody would care.

Ahh if only we had a time machine eh. I'd go get Louis to clean out the heavyweight chaff and then Ike Williams and Saddler to fight Floyd and that would just be the beginning.

Pep beat Mayweather? LOL who said that?

Can you imagine the Mayweather who fought Corrales vs Pep? Pep would have gotten killed.

Pep is one overrated motherfucker. He was a skilled fighter but people blow him up to be something that he just isn't.

For YEARS all I've heard is this guy being brought up when people talk about the great defensive artists, how he has over 200 wins, blah blah.

He fought a TON of bums, and when he came up on his rival, a fellow great fighter in Sandy Saddler, he got his shit pushed in 3 out of 4 I believe? He had no answer for him, he couldn't adapt. It was sink or swim time, and he sunk like a fucking rock. People really tend to drink the Kool Aid when it comes to this guy. Go on boxrec and look at the guys he fought. Look at the amount of "red" you see (indicating the losses his opponents had in their previous 6 fights).

On quick inspection, out of 241 fights, guess how many times he fought an opponent who had won all of their last 6 fights? 16 fucking times, of which he went 14-2.

Enough with this guy.

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Pep beat Mayweather? LOL who said that?

Can you imagine the Mayweather who fought Corrales vs Pep? Pep would have gotten killed.

Pep is one overrated motherfucker. He was a skilled fighter but people blow him up to be something that he just isn't.

For YEARS all I've heard is this guy being brought up when people talk about the great defensive artists, how he has over 200 wins, blah blah.

He fought a TON of bums, and when he came up on his rival, a fellow great fighter in Sandy Saddler, he got his shit pushed in 3 out of 4 I believe? He had no answer for him, he couldn't adapt. It was sink or swim time, and he sunk like a fucking rock. People really tend to drink the Kool Aid when it comes to this guy. Go on boxrec and look at the guys he fought. Look at the amount of "red" you see (indicating the losses his opponents had in their previous 6 fights).

On quick inspection, out of 241 fights, guess how many times he fought an opponent who had won all of their last 6 fights? 16 fucking times, of which he went 14-2.

Enough with this guy.

Vs all the coddled guys that have winning records today because of spoon fed opponents and only fight once or twice a year.

Anyway if I couldn't sleep I'd imagine what the rounds would look like in this fight rather then count sheep.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Vs all the coddled guys that have winning records today because of spoon fed opponents and only fight once or twice a year.

Anyway if I couldn't sleep I'd imagine what the rounds would look like in this fight rather then count sheep.

What's the difference between Pep and those coddled guys? The only difference is sheer volume: Pep fought more bums, more often. What does that count for? Would you think more of Mayweather if he fought 4 overmatched bums a month instead of two big fights a year?

And you think Floyd vs Pep at 130 would be boring? It would be a massacre. Floyd was a boxer-puncher at 130 with a very high KO %. People seem to forget that and assume he always fought the way he does now.

Pep would be fighting a guy who's bigger, stronger, faster, more skilled, hits harder, and has the longer reach. He'd be lucky to make it to round 8.