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    Quote Originally Posted by chris6878 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Roy went 15 years as an unbeatable force (besides the lame DQ to Griffen which was avenged by brutal 1st round KO).

    Floyd's the only better fighter I've seen in my time watching boxing.
    floyd better than roy.....delusional
    Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeeod View Post
    Hop was green. I know I don't know much about boxing, but it was a fight for a vacated title, which means neither guy held the IBF title. But what do I know? Also, look at Hop fight Roy n Mercado n then look at him fight Tito, Holmes, Joppy, Eastman...etc. Hop was much more of a complete fighter later in his career

    I don't know much about boxing, compared to you guys, but while I agree with u that Toney was undefeated, he had disputed wins against Tiberi and Reggie Johnson, and was lucky to get the draw. In those fights as well as the Thadzi n Griffith fights, u can see how James had issues with fast, active fighters. Roy dominated their fight, but he never really hurt James n his style was made to defeat James.

    Jones struggled in the first fight with Griffith, which led to his frustration n the dq. Watch the fight n try n be objective, not just see what u want from ur hero.

    Where has it been documented that Roy was so far past his prime?!? This should be good. Since u guys know so much, where is that documented at n by whom? He fought Tarver coming off his win over Ruiz n Tarver fought him tough. Roy was as fast as ever in the rematch until Tarver caught him on the chin.

    Look, Roy was the most talented fighter. He may have had what was necessary to be one of the greatest ever. Roy never faces the competition available to prove his greatness and most likely never has the chin to win fighting consistently at that level. But I'm sure I have no idea what I'm talking about...
    " Roy dominated their fight, but he never really hurt James n his style was made to defeat James."?! You don't make any sense. As far as RJ's prime: when Roy fought Tarver...he was 34 years old and coming down in weight. Losing that MUSCLE weight...clearly made him look weaker and slower...especially combined with his age. If you think the Roy Jones that fought Tarver was a prime Roy...you clearly don't know shit about boxing. I think your last sentence sums it up perfectly: "But I'm sure I have no idea what I'm talking about..."

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    My opinion on Ward vs Jones Jnr hasn't changed and to be honest it's only Ward who could ever be regarded a credible 'Threat' from the current crop of fighters.
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    The only fighter really that i say could beat Jones was Spinks and that is about it. Today crops a bit weak and Hopkins is still doing well in these division and he is like almost 50 years old. Would say that this has been one of the stronger times in the vision over the years thats it has been around i think.

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    Zhubin, love cats like u that talk without thinkng things through. 34 is still prime years for Roy's generation. He was coming off the biggest win of his career, and there was no noticeable slip until Tarver touched his chin.

    As for the weight, this is where ur lack of understanding in the sport shines. The heaviest estimates for Roy in the Ruiz fight were 199, with most agreeing that he was 193. The light heavy limit is 175, and Roy, like all boxers, could cut at least 10 pounds of water by drying out right before the weigh in and then rehydrating. So.... The weight cut wasn't as drastic as the fanboys try n make it seem.

    Roy was a good fighter. EXTREMELY talented. He should be given credit for beating Hop, Toney, Hill, Griffith, Ruiz, and Tarver, but to suggest that he is the greatest or fought better comp than Ward, Floyd, Hop, Sweet Pea...etc. is asinine. Sorry buddy, he just doesn't have the resume of an ATG. Had he beaten Benn, Eubank, Collins, Darius M, Mclellan...etc., then u would have a case for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeeod View Post
    Zhubin, love cats like u that talk without thinkng things through. 34 is still prime years for Roy's generation. He was coming off the biggest win of his career, and there was no noticeable slip until Tarver touched his chin.

    As for the weight, this is where ur lack of understanding in the sport shines. The heaviest estimates for Roy in the Ruiz fight were 199, with most agreeing that he was 193. The light heavy limit is 175, and Roy, like all boxers, could cut at least 10 pounds of water by drying out right before the weigh in and then rehydrating. So.... The weight cut wasn't as drastic as the fanboys try n make it seem.

    Roy was a good fighter. EXTREMELY talented. He should be given credit for beating Hop, Toney, Hill, Griffith, Ruiz, and Tarver, but to suggest that he is the greatest or fought better comp than Ward, Floyd, Hop, Sweet Pea...etc. is asinine. Sorry buddy, he just doesn't have the resume of an ATG. Had he beaten Benn, Eubank, Collins, Darius M, Mclellan...etc., then u would have a case for him.
    Nothing worse than someone who thinks they are smart/knowledgeable but are in fact a moron. "34 is still prime years for Roy's generation."?! You write non sense. Mid thirties is no where near PRIME for a fighter who relied on his tremendous athleticism. As far as the weight issue...Roy couldn't just lose WATER weight...he was ripped for the Ruiz fight....so most of the weight he would have to lose for Tarver would be muscle weight. For a 34-35 year old fighter to do that is not easy on the body. Add to that the natural physical decline ANY fighter goes through at a certain point. Re-watch the first Tarver fight...Roy looked exhausted by round 7...and this was not a blistering pace for a fight. He lacked explosiveness and stamina. He just was not the same fighter once he came back down for the first Tarver fight...plain and simple. FYI...not everyone thinks Ruiz was the biggest win of his career jackass. And not everyone thinks he hadn't slipped at all up until Tarver!

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    no he wouldn't because he woulda gave every excuse not to fight the top guys. lol. he woulda beat the crap outta ex-cops and librarians and garbagemen though!!!

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    I agree! However, with one exception. The one guy I think would have given Jones problems was Bob Foster at 6'3". Tall, Lanky and could punch. I called this years ago and I know Roy was finally beat is it not a coincidence it was by a tall lanky rangy fighter. NO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    All these so called fighters at 168 and 175, none of them would have won a round vs prime Roy Jones.
    In his Prime......Probability yes....... Now, I think I could whip his ass......
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris6878 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Roy went 15 years as an unbeatable force (besides the lame DQ to Griffen which was avenged by brutal 1st round KO).

    Floyd's the only better fighter I've seen in my time watching boxing.
    floyd better than roy.....delusional
    Roy was the greatest natural talent in the history of boxing, but Floyd had a more well rounded skillset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus View Post
    My opinion on Ward vs Jones Jnr hasn't changed and to be honest it's only Ward who could ever be regarded a credible 'Threat' from the current crop of fighters.
    I agree he's the biggest threat out of all of the current guys.

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    When i think about it Spinks is the only guy i say would beat Jones. Was only lhw never lose in his division was also consider a pretty tough era as well. He had a lot size and power over Jones and also had the most off putting style i have ever seen would probably throw anyone off.

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    Spinks was great but I think Jones' speed was and skill was on another level for him. Would I say he has a shot? Sure. But would I pick him to beat Jones? Nahh that's a pretty big stretch.

    I like the Mackie Shilstone link between Roy and Spinks though... Mackie helped Spinks move up to the HW division and beat Holmes and truely transition his body from LHW to HW, then 20 years later or so he did the same thing for Roy to move up and beat John Ruiz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chris6878 View Post
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    Roy went 15 years as an unbeatable force (besides the lame DQ to Griffen which was avenged by brutal 1st round KO).

    Floyd's the only better fighter I've seen in my time watching boxing.
    floyd better than roy.....delusional
    Roy was the greatest natural talent in the history of boxing, but Floyd had a more well rounded skillset.
    I can agree with that

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    Haha. Zhubin, u didn't have Roy's baby, did u?!? Look buddy, Roy was never explosive unless he was blowing out no hope competition like Percy Harris, Richard Frazier, and Glenn Kelly. He always struggled against decently skilled fighters, like Eric Harding made Roy struggle.

    It's like I told u earlier, Roy was fast enough to easily win the fight vs Toney, be he never had him in trouble. The knockdown was a case of James being off balance more than being hurt or shaken up. Against Hop he never had him in trouble or shaky either.

    The one fight where Roy looked impressive against a solid fighter by stopping him was the second Griffith fight. Roy just doesn't have the resume to back up your bias for him and claims for his greatness.

    Roy feasted on weak competition. That isn't an opinion, that's a fact. How many guys did Roy fight and beat that were ranked P4P at the time of the fight? Do you even know?!? Let me help you, it was one guy: James Toney. Roy never fought the major challenges at any weight he competed in other than Toney and Tarver. I give him credit for both wins, cause he dominated Toney n dug down for the win vs Tarver. That said, to insinuate that he beat better comp or is greater than Hop, Floyd, Ward, Pac, Sweet Pea...etc. is just laughable.

    Roy was talented, more talented than any of those guys listed above. He was a great fighter and very unorthodox. But he never fought tough competition and to say that he was spectacular based on his blowouts of weak competition is just asinine. Sorry buddy.

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