Thread: Who do you agree with GB or TR?

http://m.reviewjournal.com/sports/golden-boy-s-advance-booking-mgm-questioned-rival-promoter

By STEVE CARP
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
It was listed on the Nevada Athletic Commission’s agenda Tuesday morning as item No. 14.

And given the higher-profile items that were also on the agenda — selecting the officials for the rematch between Manny Pacquiao and Timothy Bradley as well as narrowing down the list of candidates to interview for the vacant executive director’s job — item 14 was lumped in with the other 13 requests for dates.

Item 14 involved Golden Boy Promotions seeking to lock up Sept. 13 at the MGM Grand Garden. And it was on the verge of being approved in a bundle with the others, which is not an unusual practice by the NAC.

Then Todd duBoef stepped up and cried foul. DuBoef, the president of Top Rank, Golden Boy’s main promotional rival in boxing, wondered how the commission could grant a date to a promoter when the promoter had no fight signed for that date. Golden Boy plans to use that date for Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s next fight. Mayweather fights May 3 at the MGM against Marcos Maidana.

“I think you have an obligation to see who is fighting on that date and who he is fighting,” duBoef told the commissioners. “I don’t think you just green-light an event based on the date.”

DuBoef’s objection caught the commission off guard. Chairman Francisco Aguilar quickly moved to have the item tabled for a future meeting. But from duBoef’s perspective, the issue is still there.

“It used to be you make a fight, you get a signed contract, you secure the venue, then you go to the commission to seek approval for that date and that event,” duBoef said. “But the last few years, we’ve gone away from that, and I don’t think that’s right.”

If Golden Boy had been approved for Sept. 13, Top Rank would have been left with two choices: go head-to-head with Mayweather or find another date.

In 2012, the two companies did go head-to-head on Sept. 15, Mexican independence weekend. Alvarez fought Josesito Lopez at the MGM and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. faced Sergio Martinez at the Thomas &Mack Center.

Fans were forced to choose which fight they wanted to watch, and while the NAC was able to handle both cards, its resources were stretched in terms of officials, inspectors and physicians.

DuBoef said he is merely looking for a level playing field.

“You just don’t throw a dart at the hot dates and say, ‘We’re going to hold this,’ and paralyze everybody by saying, ‘This is our date’ and get it approved,” he said. “You get approved for matches. We need to get back to where the state had a protocol for approving a date. The commission has been in total disregard of the protocol the last few years.”

Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer said if the NAC wants to risk having tens of millions of dollars go elsewhere by not approving Sept. 13 for Mayweather, that’s up to them.

“Everybody knows that Floyd is going to be fighting on that date,” Schaefer said. “I think the commission has to make a decision whether or not they want Floyd to fight in Las Vegas.”

I hope they both fight on the same date and one of them is not a ppv but free and they all lose money. That would be a great ending.

TR and hbo are just pissed that they didn't think of this first.

GBPs is right, TR is being dicks for the sake of being dicks. Whether they get pre-approval or not everyone knows eventually Floyd will sign a fight for September 13th and everyone knows TR wants no part of competing with Floyd. Hell, even MMA, a completely separate sport has said they won't try to compete with Floyd again after he killed them last time they went head to head. So if everyone knows exactly what's going to happen then there is no reason to fight the inevitable other than to be a hassle. At some point maybe everyone will look at how TR has constantly and needlessly harassed Floyd. Or at least those that are fair minded.

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

GBPs is right, TR is being dicks for the sake of being dicks. Whether they get pre-approval or not everyone knows eventually Floyd will sign a fight for September 13th and everyone knows TR wants no part of competing with Floyd. Hell, even MMA, a completely separate sport has said they won't try to compete with Floyd again after he killed them last time they went head to head. So if everyone knows exactly what's going to happen then there is no reason to fight the inevitable other than to be a hassle. At some point maybe everyone will look at how TR has constantly and needlessly harassed Floyd. Or at least those that are fair minded.

I agree with everything you say except for the "Floyd is a victim" part. Don't get me wrong, TR is dirty and deserve criticism but TMT and GB are just as bad and maybe even worse in some regards. You don't see TR offices being raided

I agree with whoever puts on the better matchups and that's GBP..

I could care less if two promoters hold events on the same night.. infact, as a fan, that's even better..

I just love it when there are numerous big matchups by HBO and showtime on the same night.. that's just more fights for me to watch..

If im a prospect, im going with Top Rank.. if im an established fighter, id go with GBP..

But as a fan, gbp is a lot better..

I think TR is right. You should have to have an opponent and contracts signed to secure a date, because in the end the NSAC has to approve the matchup itself (they'd have to approve Floyd's opponent and agree that he was "world class"). So TR for sure does have a point.

But, like everything, it all comes down to money, and Money Mayweather is a huge deal and brings in crazy revenue, so they're going to bend over backwards to appease him and GB. Or else, like Richard Shaeffer said, they can easily take the fight to another location and have that location reap the benefits.

Originally Posted by DannyV297

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

GBPs is right, TR is being dicks for the sake of being dicks. Whether they get pre-approval or not everyone knows eventually Floyd will sign a fight for September 13th and everyone knows TR wants no part of competing with Floyd. Hell, even MMA, a completely separate sport has said they won't try to compete with Floyd again after he killed them last time they went head to head. So if everyone knows exactly what's going to happen then there is no reason to fight the inevitable other than to be a hassle. At some point maybe everyone will look at how TR has constantly and needlessly harassed Floyd. Or at least those that are fair minded.

I agree with everything you say except for the "Floyd is a victim" part. Don't get me wrong, TR is dirty and deserve criticism but TMT and GB are just as bad and maybe even worse in some regards. You don't see TR offices being raided

They don't need to be raided. TR was already caught red handed years ago. I don't think anyone is foolish enough to think they've changed. They're just more experienced so they're better at their misdeeds nows.

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

I think TR is right. You should have to have an opponent and contracts signed to secure a date, because in the end the NSAC has to approve the matchup itself (they'd have to approve Floyd's opponent and agree that he was "world class"). So TR for sure does have a point.

But, like everything, it all comes down to money, and Money Mayweather is a huge deal and brings in crazy revenue, so they're going to bend over backwards to appease him and GB. Or else, like Richard Shaeffer said, they can easily take the fight to another location and have that location reap the benefits.

They are arguing procedure and law in the same breath when they aren't intertwined. "It used to be that..." means nothing here. MGM is a company that can set its procedures as they wish, TR doesn't dictate their procedure.

This is what is quickly becoming a huge problem in the sport. Promoters aren't happy being promoters they want to dictate to venues. Networks want to dictate to Promoters. Fighters want to dictate to fighters. Everyone needs to stop trying to rule the world and just do their f'n job. HBO thinks they can pick opponents, who manages the fighters and who promotes them, that's f'd! Every time we support one group over stepping their bounds we empower another to do the same.

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

They are arguing procedure and law in the same breath when they aren't intertwined. "It used to be that..." means nothing here. MGM is a company that can set its procedures as they wish, TR doesn't dictate their procedure.

I dont think this has anything to do with MGM, it's just a business who, like you said, can do what they want. I could rent out the MGM and go bicycle around the arena for a few hours if I had the money I guess.

TR is pissed at the athletic commission for granting the promotion license without the opponent and contracts signed, and they have every right to be pissed, because that's the rule that's consistent with athletic commissions across the country.

In order to grant you a promoter's license, it stands to reason that they need to know and approve what it is you're promoting. How can they approve what's being promoted if they don't know exactly what's being promoted?

It just goes to show you how much money talks that the athletic commission, which is a government-controlled and funded entity that is supposed to unbiased and completely neutral, is fast-tracking GBP a promoter's license and giving them preferential treatment because they are going to bring a fuck load of money with Mayweather.

The athletic commission's rules and guidelines are supposed to be fair and unbiased, right down the middle. I gaurentee you I wouldn't be able to obtain a promoter's license there for a night of 4-rounders at some small banquet hall without submitting all the fighter's info. It is special treatment for the cash cow.