Thread: Chris Eubank says fighting prime Roy Jones or James Toney would have been suicide

Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Yeah that was at middleweight, whipped Nunn in his own home town in Iowa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h227sP9Gc-I

James was amazing

Huge mistake on Nunn's part. He wanted to impress his crowd so he stayed in the pockets too long instead of using his legs. He could have easily won a decision had he boxed more..

Brilliant fight from both undefeated and talented fighters.

Yeah Nunn won pretty much every round then BOOOM that left hook from hell. That was some Frazier/Ali 15th round shit.

Dm was the Leinel champ at 175 so Jones should of fought the guy no excuse for that one. So Dm lost go Julio and he was 35 and if was sd i mean at that age Jones got koed by Taver and was done with his prime by then. That fight i feel should happened he should of fought Dm he was the champ at 175.

160: Julian Jackson, G-Man were too guys Roy should've fought. Instead his best win was over a still green Hop n a blowout of contender Thomas Tate.

168: Benn, Eubank, Collins, Gracciano, Nunn, Liles were all threats who he missed. He had a great win over Toney, but the rest were guys like Thornton, Brannon, n Vinny Paz (yes, former 135 n 154 journeyman titlist).

175: missed Darius, his biggest threat n lineal champ. Griffith win was probably his best win. Other wins included del Valle, an ancient Mcallum, ancient Reggie Johnson (former 160 titlist), Glenn Kelley, ancient Virgil Hill, and a good win over Tarver who had to harass him to fight. Tarver stretched him I'm the rematch.

190: Vasilly Jirov, Oneil Bell, Mcormack, Braithwaite would've all loved to fight him for the payday. Roy never fought at 190 but would say he was going to to try n overcome the Roycott n sell out a quarter of an arena.

Heavy: beat the most limited titlist in Ruiz. To put the significance into perspective, an out of shape and fat James Toney beat Ruiz as well. Jones backed out of a fight with Douglas after his daddy told him to n never even signed to fight Tuson, Holy, Lewis... Etc despite saying he wanted to.

Now with all of those missed opportunities some is going to ask if Roy missed them, or they missed Roy. Roy ducked them. They can't make Roy get in the ring with them. Roy wanted nothing to do with top competition after the Toney fight until he started getting beat by everyone. Then he would jump in n get his head handed to him.

Originally Posted by mikeeod

160: Julian Jackson, G-Man were too guys Roy should've fought. Instead his best win was over a still green Hop n a blowout of contender Thomas Tate.

168: Benn, Eubank, Collins, Gracciano, Nunn, Liles were all threats who he missed. He had a great win over Toney, but the rest were guys like Thornton, Brannon, n Vinny Paz (yes, former 135 n 154 journeyman titlist).

175: missed Darius, his biggest threat n lineal champ. Griffith win was probably his best win. Other wins included del Valle, an ancient Mcallum, ancient Reggie Johnson (former 160 titlist), Glenn Kelley, ancient Virgil Hill, and a good win over Tarver who had to harass him to fight. Tarver stretched him I'm the rematch.

190: Vasilly Jirov, Oneil Bell, Mcormack, Braithwaite would've all loved to fight him for the payday. Roy never fought at 190 but would say he was going to to try n overcome the Roycott n sell out a quarter of an arena.

Heavy: beat the most limited titlist in Ruiz. To put the significance into perspective, an out of shape and fat James Toney beat Ruiz as well. Jones backed out of a fight with Douglas after his daddy told him to n never even signed to fight Tuson, Holy, Lewis... Etc despite saying he wanted to.

Now with all of those missed opportunities some is going to ask if Roy missed them, or they missed Roy. Roy ducked them. They can't make Roy get in the ring with them. Roy wanted nothing to do with top competition after the Toney fight until he started getting beat by everyone. Then he would jump in n get his head handed to him.

That is hyper critical of Roy.

I am sure G Man was not champion when Roy was around at middleweight.

Beating Toney is better than all those other fighters.

Dariuz was a threat but Roy was the man so he had to come to him.

Roy never fought at cruiser weight in his prime.

Roy beating Ruiz was great for any fighter coming from such low weights.

Originally Posted by mikeeod

Now with all of those missed opportunities some is going to ask if Roy missed them, or they missed Roy. Roy ducked them. They can't make Roy get in the ring with them. Roy wanted nothing to do with top competition after the Toney fight until he started getting beat by everyone. Then he would jump in n get his head handed to him.

Same old bullshit. Yawn.

From a 2012 interview

Who was the best fighter you ever fought?

By far, Michael Watson in our second fight

Is it true that you wanted nothing to do with the Michael Nunn & James Toney?

Thats interesting, because I signed to fight both Nunn and James Toney. As part of the contract with Don King for Nunn, where I was the first fighter to get one over on him when me and Nigel drew. And as part of the contract with SKY for James Toney, where I was the first fighter to sign for a TV company direct, but he lost to Roy Jones.

Did Roy Jones Jr duck you?

It was never mandated. But I asked Roy Jones about 10 or 12 years ago if he'd said back in 93 that the one fighter he thought would give him problems and had reservations of taking on was me. He told me yes that was true

Did you take on all the toughest challenges in your career in your opinion?

“As world champion, what you want to avoid is a southpaw who is 6ft or more and unbeaten or been world champion. Rocchigiani and Calzaghe were fights that no other fighter would take. I took them, even though they weren’t even mandated.

“Not even Roy Jones, rated as the best pound-for-pound fighter in history by some writers, would take that fight even when it was mandated to.”
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Personally I have always thought that Chris would have been Roys toughest fight.
I also believe that Chris would have kicked the living shit out of James legend it his own mind wind bag Toney. Quite possibly the most overrated fighter in history.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Quite possibly the most overrated fighter in history.

How anyone could watch prime James and come to that conclusion is beyond me. One of the most underrated guys ever.

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Quite possibly the most overrated fighter in history.

How anyone could watch prime James and come to that conclusion is beyond me. One of the most underrated guys ever.

I have never seen this prime James Toney. When was that and who was that against? Sorry but a little shoulder roll off the ropes and ducking a punch from a no hoper is not greatness. Who did he beat? He managed a win over the body snatcher and Jirov at cruiser. He's probably the reason they moved the yard stick north. He's a blowhard who never accomplished squat and I'll say it again, one of the most overrated underachieving wind bags ever. I'd like to know who this James Toney is everyone keeps yacking on about year in and year out. The guy should be on the show "Urban Legends"

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Quite possibly the most overrated fighter in history.

How anyone could watch prime James and come to that conclusion is beyond me. One of the most underrated guys ever.

I have never seen this prime James Toney. When was that and who was that against? Sorry but a little shoulder roll off the ropes and ducking a punch from a no hoper is not greatness. Who did he beat? He managed a win over the body snatcher and Jirov at cruiser. He's probably the reason they moved the yard stick north. He's a blowhard who never accomplished squat and I'll say it again, one of the most overrated underachieving wind bags ever. I'd like to know who this James Toney is everyone keeps yacking on about year in and year out. The guy should be on the show "Urban Legends"

Here is an objective list...

1. Roy

2. Toney

3. Hops

50 years from now, nobody is going to watch old fights of hopkins and be in awe.. they will just say " oh that guy who fought into old age with an unwatchable style "...

People will always look back at a young Roy and Toney and be mesmerized by their capablities..

Toney-McCallum 1, Nunn, Jirov, and Sam peter 1.. case closed..

Even when toney was fat and out of shape, he beat a prime Peter ( unofficially ) with his skills alone.. who does that? Lol

Only a natural fighter can do that, a true throwback. Can hopkins do that?

And lol @ hops being more impressive than George Foreman.. his KO over Moorer is greater than anything hops ever did which includes robbing the fans with fake shoulder injuries, crying like a bitch against calzaghe, groveling on the floor for free points against a shot roy... he's pathetic..

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Quite possibly the most overrated fighter in history.

How anyone could watch prime James and come to that conclusion is beyond me. One of the most underrated guys ever.

I have never seen this prime James Toney. When was that and who was that against? Sorry but a little shoulder roll off the ropes and ducking a punch from a no hoper is not greatness. Who did he beat? He managed a win over the body snatcher and Jirov at cruiser. He's probably the reason they moved the yard stick north. He's a blowhard who never accomplished squat and I'll say it again, one of the most overrated underachieving wind bags ever. I'd like to know who this James Toney is everyone keeps yacking on about year in and year out. The guy should be on the show "Urban Legends"

I normally agree with you but Toney beat an undefeated Nunn (in his home town), McCallum (although I thought he lost), he did have some bad performances because of weight issues but he moved up weight and schooled Barclay with beautiful display of boxing/brutality, ko Williams was quality, outboxing Jirov in a classic and the rest at heavyweight was a bonus.

Calzaghe vs Toney, who would have won?

Originally Posted by VG_Addict

Calzaghe vs Toney, who would have won?

At their best I would say Joe Calzaghe, he would box from the outside, James was too dangerous close up with the right hand.

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Quite possibly the most overrated fighter in history.

How anyone could watch prime James and come to that conclusion is beyond me. One of the most underrated guys ever.

I have never seen this prime James Toney. When was that and who was that against? Sorry but a little shoulder roll off the ropes and ducking a punch from a no hoper is not greatness. Who did he beat? He managed a win over the body snatcher and Jirov at cruiser. He's probably the reason they moved the yard stick north. He's a blowhard who never accomplished squat and I'll say it again, one of the most overrated underachieving wind bags ever. I'd like to know who this James Toney is everyone keeps yacking on about year in and year out. The guy should be on the show "Urban Legends"

I normally agree with you but Toney beat an undefeated Nunn (in his home town), McCallum (although I thought he lost), he did have some bad performances because of weight issues but he moved up weight and schooled Barclay with beautiful display of boxing/brutality, ko Williams was quality, outboxing Jirov in a classic and the rest at heavyweight was a bonus.

He caught Nunn asleep after he dominated James for the entire fight. Yes he beat Mike in a close one but that's it. He robbed Tiberi. Iran was an overachiever short on everything skill wise and made a name for himself by having Tommy's number. James Toney has no business even being mentioned with the best super mids in the business let alone the great fighters. Sorry man but this is one of those times when facts say otherwise about the life and times of James Toney. He's got a big mouth and a catchy nic. That's about it. He was a no better hev than middle or super middle. He just didn't do anything except show shades of brilliance on highlight reels against for the most part over the hill fighters.

James Toney skills are natural and instinctive. The moves he had at such an early age could not be taught. He was a skilled genius in the ring.