Thread: Every Bernard Hopkins win adds to the legacy of Joe Calzaghe

Joe Calzaghe is one of the most underrated boxers of the past 25 years.

no.

Robbed Hopkins and than ducked the rematch. Yeah, I remember Cokezaghe.

True. I'm pretty sure that loss is a thorn on bernard's side but he might have convinced himself long time ago that it was a robbery. That's the kind of weasle he is and a sore loser.

Lol Calzaghe's legacy grows on Bernard's dime.

Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

True. I'm pretty sure that loss is a thorn on bernard's side but he might have convinced himself long time ago that it was a robbery. That's the kind of weasle he is and a sore loser.

Lol Calzaghe's legacy grows on Bernard's dime.

I actually think it decreases. It's more like "that's why you refused the rematch. You knew it was a gift and you knew couldn't beat him"

It's the reason he turned down a career high pay day

Maybe to an extent but just one close/disputed victory doesn't do too much for your legacy. Honestly, I think that calzaghe just had a good style to beat bhop.

He did beat him though. You can't change that!

Refusing a rematch is not as serious as ducking a fight altogether. Otherwise you'd have to call into question many great boxers who did the same thing.

Calzaghe was awesome! I don't think he's underrated at all. There will always be detractors though.

Originally Posted by Max Power

He did beat him though. You can't change that!

Refusing a rematch is not as serious as ducking a fight altogether. Otherwise you'd have to call into question many great boxers who did the same thing.

Calzaghe was awesome! I don't think he's underrated at all. There will always be detractors though.

Hopkins scored the only knock down and landed all the meaningful punches. The only meaningful punch Cokezaghe landed was the low blow. Really it wasn't that hard to score.

I like calzaghe alot more now than I used to.
He is a great boxer but the hopkins fight was very close and he didnt want the rematch.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Max Power

He did beat him though. You can't change that!

Refusing a rematch is not as serious as ducking a fight altogether. Otherwise you'd have to call into question many great boxers who did the same thing.

Calzaghe was awesome! I don't think he's underrated at all. There will always be detractors though.

Hopkins scored the only knock down and landed all the meaningful punches. The only meaningful punch Cokezaghe landed was the low blow. Really it wasn't that hard to score.

You are crazy if anyone wanted to see a rematch, that fight was boring which was mainly due to Hopkins negative tactics.

Hopkins was offered the fight when he was reigning middleweight champ. He asked for double what was being offered.

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York on 30th July 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money he would want if he did. The response that we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the US.

After a little while scratching our head, we said 'Okay, Done'. Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed, so as far as we were concerned we were all singing off the one hymn sheet.

Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next, I'm just not certain about that particular timeframe, they came with a new demand- $6million, double the sum which had been agreed. In addition to the Calzaghe fight, we had offered him $1million to fight Morrade Hakkar, and the winner of that bout to fight Harry Simon. Then he would have had the bout with Joe but when he came back asking for six million, the deal blew up spectacularly. I thought that the Calzaghe-Hopkins was a spectacular prospect but it wasn't to be.

Bernard's pretty shrewd, he's no dummy and has done a wonderful job of self-management in his career, but he had then no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear. Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought more big named Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him.

Jay Larkin, Showtime TV Vice President of Sports and Event Programming, in No Ordinary Joe, Brian Doogan at p197-98"

Originally Posted by Freedom

Joe Calzaghe is one of the most underrated boxers of the past 25 years.

Whatever you want to believe about Calzaghe being underrated is OK with me, but saying Calzaghe's legacy is still growing because Hopkins is still fighting and winning is nonsense.
Rustico Torrecampo has a KO win over Pac Man, does his legacy continue to grow because Manny is still fighting and winning?
Hopkins is the freak, not Calzaghe.

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by Freedom

Joe Calzaghe is one of the most underrated boxers of the past 25 years.

Whatever you want to believe about Calzaghe being underrated is OK with me, but saying Calzaghe's legacy is still growing because Hopkins is still fighting and winning is nonsense.
Rustico Torrecampo has a KO win over Pac Man, does his legacy continue to grow because Manny is still fighting and winning?
Hopkins is the freak, not Calzaghe.

Either Calzaghe is miles better than all the fighters Hopkins is now beating or Hopkins, like Pacquiao would refuse drug testing, just like he did with Pascal.....

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Max Power

He did beat him though. You can't change that!

Refusing a rematch is not as serious as ducking a fight altogether. Otherwise you'd have to call into question many great boxers who did the same thing.

Calzaghe was awesome! I don't think he's underrated at all. There will always be detractors though.

Hopkins scored the only knock down and landed all the meaningful punches. The only meaningful punch Cokezaghe landed was the low blow. Really it wasn't that hard to score.

You are crazy if anyone wanted to see a rematch, that fight was boring which was mainly due to Hopkins negative tactics.

Calzaghe was notorious for no rematches, right? Hopkins is always boring, in my opinion.

What adds to your legacy is fighting, coming back from adversity and achieving. Not sitting on the sidelines living vicariously through the victory of others. That's just goofy desperate man.