Thread: Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

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10 more years..

Isn't Wladimir only a few fights away from breaking Joe Louis record now?

22 defences vs 25 isn't it?

So to me he only needs to fight 2 more fights after Leapai, therefore he should be announcing his retirement by middle of next year? Or take 1 more fight to break the record.

Originally Posted by Max Power

Isn't Wladimir only a few fights away from breaking Joe Louis record now?

22 defences vs 25 isn't it?

So to me he only needs to fight 2 more fights after Leapai, therefore he should be announcing his retirement by middle of next year? Or take 1 more fight to break the record.

I hope he does not fight another ten years. He's close to the record and probably wants to add a couple more after he reaches the record.
I'm hoping he retires as soon, after he breaks the record, as possible.

Originally Posted by Max Power

Isn't Wladimir only a few fights away from breaking Joe Louis record now?

22 defences vs 25 isn't it?

So to me he only needs to fight 2 more fights after Leapai, therefore he should be announcing his retirement by middle of next year? Or take 1 more fight to break the record.

I could be wrong but I think Louis total defenses is 26. And consecutive defenses is 25. The consecutive is the record most pay attention to and Wlad is at like 15 so he'd have to fight a while to get there.(But I'm just going off the top of my head on this so I'll have to check)

You could be right about Louis, I thought it was 25 but I am not certain.

Wlad's consecutive streak is 17 so by that figure he needs 7 or 8 more wins respectively to make the record which at 2 fights a year means at most 4 years, more likely only 3.

So even by using the lowest fight rate, and the statistic with the largest void to overcome, we should still not have to put up with the old "jab and grab" for anywhere near another 10 years LOL.

It'd be a real test if Wladimir could really remain unbeaten until 48 years old anyway facing his mandatories. Then he'd be breaking Foreman's record too. I think to have any real shot at that he would have to chub up significantly to 260lbs and be prepared to take some more punishment as his speed and reflexes decline into advanced age, assuming his chin can be padded enough but I kinda doubt it at top level.

Wlad hasn't lost in 10 years.... 19 wins since his loss to Brewster. 22 overall title defenses, 19 consecutively.


Most consecutive successful defenses

Division Name Title Years Defenses

Heavyweight: Joe Louis World (1937-49) 25
Cruiserweight: Anaclet Wamba WBC Title (1991-94) 7
Light Heavyweight: Bob Foster World (1968-74) 14
Super Middleweight: Nigel Benn WBC Title (1992-95) 9
Middleweight: Carlos Monzon World (1970-77) 14
Junior Middleweight: Gianfranco Rosi IBF (1989-94) 11
Welterweight: Henry Armstrong World (1938-40) 19
Junior Welterweight: Julio Cesar Chavez WBC/IBF (1989-94) 12
Lightweight: Roberto Duran World (1972-79) 12
Junior Lightweight: Brian Mitchell IBF/WBA (1986-91) 12
Featherweight: Eusebio Pedroza WBA (1978-85) 19
Jr. Featherweight: Wilfredo Gomez WBC (1977-83) 17
Bantamweight: Orlando Canizales IBF (1988-94) 16
Junior Bantamweight: Khaosai Galaxy WBA (1984-91) 19
Flyweight: Miguel Canto WBC (1975-79) 14
Junior Flyweight: Myung Woo Yuh WBA (1985-91) 17
Strawweight: Ricardo Lopez WBC (1990-99) 21

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Originally Posted by Max Power

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Wlad could easily go for another ten years..his body is always in perfect condition for his fights theres loads of easy wins to just stack up in germany including £££.

This will spoil hayes plans as its pretty obvious that he is waiting for the brothers to retire, fury to loose and perhaps wilder to get exposed..so he can step in at around 36 years old and get an easier win to the title!

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Max Power

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

Originally Posted by Max Power

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Max Power

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

Totally your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions?

At least all Louis had to fight was bums. Wlad has legitimate contenders he refuses to fight, and instead fights the likes or Mormeck, Leapai and Pianetta.

So, I guess Wlad feeds on bums until you guys are satisfied... which is a little sick, if you ask me.

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Max Power

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Max Power

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

Totally your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions?

At least all Louis had to fight was bums. Wlad has legitimate contenders he refuses to fight, and instead fights the likes or Mormeck, Leapai and Pianetta.

So, I guess Wlad feeds on bums until you guys are satisfied... which is a little sick, if you ask me.

An opinion that makes common sense you mean

And those opponents were bad opponents that's true but then there have been good opponents too.

Besides, you cannot refer to them as "bums" exactly. Mormeck was a CW champion and Pianeta was big and undefeated.

What was the records like of Louis' opponents again

Originally Posted by Max Power

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Max Power

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Max Power

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

Totally your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions?

At least all Louis had to fight was bums. Wlad has legitimate contenders he refuses to fight, and instead fights the likes or Mormeck, Leapai and Pianetta.

So, I guess Wlad feeds on bums until you guys are satisfied... which is a little sick, if you ask me.

An opinion that makes common sense you mean

And those opponents were bad opponents that's true but then there have been good opponents too.

Besides, you cannot refer to them as "bums" exactly. Mormeck was a CW champion and Pianeta was big and undefeated.

What was the records like of Louis' opponents again

It is not, and I repeat, NOT a consecutive streak. Louis was the undisputed HW Champion of the world. All the tiles, or "thee" title. Wlad, when he cant beat a challenge, passed them off to his older, more tougher and durable brother.....

Pianetta was a softie. Mormeck was undersized and ballyhooed- someone that Haye destroyed at CW. Destroyed. Wlad beat Haye convincingly... so why move to fight Haye's left overs after the fact?

BS.

If Wlad can remain motivated then he can rule the division and make loads of money for many years to come. I thought he wanted to fight in the olympics in Brazil at least. He is a classy guy and I admire him for keeping the titles together other wise it would be mayhem.

BTW watched the povetkin fight again and Wlad is awful and if Tyson came at him he would fall and this is the best Wlad you will get.

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Max Power

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Max Power

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Max Power

I think the consecutive streak is not at all important anyway, it's the total defences that counts, the fact you dropped the ball but was able to pick it up again and continue should not detract from what you achieved previously.

So for anybody who is at all, objective Wladimir only has to win 3 more fights.

But since the OTNB community will stop at nothing to cherry pick every useless statistic they can to salvage their hero from the distant past and down-tread the bastard Commie (lol), I think Wladimir should score the rest of the victories before he retires anyway just to silence any argument.

Being objective means not being factual, in your estimation?

Neither statistic is non-factual, they are both true.

The total one is meaningful and the consecutive one is not, simple as that.

Totally your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions?

At least all Louis had to fight was bums. Wlad has legitimate contenders he refuses to fight, and instead fights the likes or Mormeck, Leapai and Pianetta.

So, I guess Wlad feeds on bums until you guys are satisfied... which is a little sick, if you ask me.

An opinion that makes common sense you mean

And those opponents were bad opponents that's true but then there have been good opponents too.

Besides, you cannot refer to them as "bums" exactly. Mormeck was a CW champion and Pianeta was big and undefeated.

What was the records like of Louis' opponents again

It is not, and I repeat, NOT a consecutive streak. Louis was the undisputed HW Champion of the world. All the tiles, or "thee" title. Wlad, when he cant beat a challenge, passed them off to his older, more tougher and durable brother.....

Pianetta was a softie. Mormeck was undersized and ballyhooed- someone that Haye destroyed at CW. Destroyed. Wlad beat Haye convincingly... so why move to fight Haye's left overs after the fact?

BS.

Yeah that's right, Mormeck was a stay busy fight.. A rest from the top contenders he'd been fighting. You can pay him out for it sure, but how many other champs fought such stay busy fights. I'll tell you one.. Joe bloody Louis! Most of his record was "stay busy" stuff.

The fact that a total mismatch like Mormeck for Wlad was such a high quality opponent is testament to the quality of Klitschko. And if Louis fought Mormeck it would have been among the biggest (apart from the known giants), the most athletic and most skilled by far and probably the greatest opponent he ever faced.

Oh, and I noticed you were not even satisfied with cherry picking the consecutive defense stat, you had to go one step further and now try to claim that Wladimir's early defences were not valid either because he did not hold all the belts.

Ha! It is in fact harder to capture and to hold onto all the belts than it is to do so for just one belt.

As far as I am concerned once you win a major version of the HW title (in this case the WBA, WBC, IBF or WBO), you are/were a HW champion!

Would you claim that Larry Holmes defences were not valid then also?

Typical Old Time Nutbaggery, just as I described it!