Thread: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

Originally Posted by BCBUD

But if you look at the video clip of sugary Leonard he barely moves,his right heel is planted and he doesn't kick out the left heel much.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative this is just a discussion

To be objective, I got a lot of insight from Scrap, it is just that the goal of this article was to show the improvement or progress , how to make things better. The goal was not to show how to throw a perfect hook.

All modern gyms in London push off the front foot!

Originally Posted by Harry potter

All modern gyms in London push off the front foot!

The idea is if you push off the left quadricep the right hamstring will Pull this is the idea behind modern boxing.I think that is the idea but I'm not certain?

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Harry potter

All modern gyms in London push off the front foot!

The idea is if you push off the left quadricep the right hamstring will Pull this is the idea behind modern boxing.I think that is the idea but I'm not certain?

Here's an interesting point, the quads and hamstrings BOTH fire when performing the concentric portion of a squat. Now that shouldn't be possible, because we typically think of the quads extending the knee and the hamstrings flexing the knee. However, both of those muscle groups contain muscles (most notably the rectus femoris in the quads) that are 2 joint muscles, meaning due to their attachments they have the ability to cause motion at both the hips and the knees but to different degrees. So two apparently opposing muscles can actually work in a sort of synergy, which the quads extending the knee and the hamstrings extending the hip as the glute fires. And through this information it is actually determined that the glutes are knee extensors due to the role they play in causing activation of the quads during the lift. Similarly, the quads actually produce force in plantarflexion at the ankles, which explains why your calves aren't tired even after lifting heavy enough to theoretically put them close to max exertion.

That's a lot of really complicated anatomy/physiology crammed into a brief paragraph, but the main point is that all the muscles of the body work together to produce and stabilize movement in complex ways. Now it's extremely important for optimal performance and injury prevention to make sure the right muscles are doing the work, because the body is so adaptable it can function doing the wrong thing adequately for a long time before injury sets in.

You're on the right track though, Left leg pushes and right leg stabilizes, then right leg pushes and left leg stabilizes. That's the basis of movement.

The head coach who is an old old man of Irish origin says that style of fighting is very old and is not used anymore and he gave this reason why for his beef with scraps teaching is that when you push off the left quadricep with the right hamstring pulling this enables for full maximum delivery.The other issue he has is that if scraps power is coming off the back leg (falling) then you'll be off balance if that left hook misses the target, or if scrap is coming up on the balls of his feet off the uppercut then this will leave you ungrounded and open should you miss.it's hard to know if I'm understanding scrap correctly but I probably not.

Originally Posted by BCBUD

The head coach who is an old old man of Irish origin says that style of fighting is very old and is not used anymore and he gave this reason why for his beef with scraps teaching is that when you push off the left quadricep with the right hamstring pulling this enables for full maximum delivery.The other issue he has is that if scraps power is coming off the back leg (falling) then you'll be off balance if that left hook misses the target, or if scrap is coming up on the balls of his feet off the uppercut then this will leave you ungrounded and open should you miss.it's hard to know if I'm understanding scrap correctly but I probably not.

On the contrary if you're leaning forward and throwing a left hook then when you miss you're gonna be wide open, if you're coming onto your back leg you'll be perfectly balanced even if you miss, and ready to throw your next shot. Coming up on the balls of the feet doesn't mean you aren't grounded, as long as you're knees and hips are engaged.

JMS has said it all, think you are misunderstanding me

Originally Posted by jms

Originally Posted by BCBUD

The head coach who is an old old man of Irish origin says that style of fighting is very old and is not used anymore and he gave this reason why for his beef with scraps teaching is that when you push off the left quadricep with the right hamstring pulling this enables for full maximum delivery.The other issue he has is that if scraps power is coming off the back leg (falling) then you'll be off balance if that left hook misses the target, or if scrap is coming up on the balls of his feet off the uppercut then this will leave you ungrounded and open should you miss.it's hard to know if I'm understanding scrap correctly but I probably not.

On the contrary if you're leaning forward and throwing a left hook then when you miss you're gonna be wide open, if you're coming onto your back leg you'll be perfectly balanced even if you miss, and ready to throw your next shot. Coming up on the balls of the feet doesn't mean you aren't grounded, as long as you're knees and hips are engaged.

Well I think that if I can pick the back leg up then I'm not grounded! Worse is that with that style of punching your off the centre literally falling the hips are coming up.you will get it hit off the counter and lose balance and actually the punches are slower because you got a longer-range to throw.
Ask yourself this why do the best nations who produce the most champs fight off the front foot?is it because a balance here is a list of the nations which has produced the most champs.http://forums.maxboxing.com/index.php?showtopic=29979

You have completely lost me,

Originally Posted by Scrap

You have completely lost me,

Maybe I lost myself lol. Okay if you're throwing an uppercut lifting both heels coming onto the ball of your front foot then that means.I should be able to lift my back leg up why because I'm on the ball of my front foot right?

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by jms

Originally Posted by BCBUD

The head coach who is an old old man of Irish origin says that style of fighting is very old and is not used anymore and he gave this reason why for his beef with scraps teaching is that when you push off the left quadricep with the right hamstring pulling this enables for full maximum delivery.The other issue he has is that if scraps power is coming off the back leg (falling) then you'll be off balance if that left hook misses the target, or if scrap is coming up on the balls of his feet off the uppercut then this will leave you ungrounded and open should you miss.it's hard to know if I'm understanding scrap correctly but I probably not.

On the contrary if you're leaning forward and throwing a left hook then when you miss you're gonna be wide open, if you're coming onto your back leg you'll be perfectly balanced even if you miss, and ready to throw your next shot. Coming up on the balls of the feet doesn't mean you aren't grounded, as long as you're knees and hips are engaged.

Well I think that if I can pick the back leg up then I'm not grounded! Worse is that with that style of punching your off the centre literally falling the hips are coming up.you will get it hit off the counter and lose balance and actually the punches are slower because you got a longer-range to throw.
Ask yourself this why do the best nations who produce the most champs fight off the front foot?is it because a balance here is a list of the nations which has produced the most champs.Most Boxing Champs per nation - General Boxing Discussion - MaxBoxing.com Forums

Ok at this point it's clear you're completely misunderstanding what's being said to you. Some of the conclusions you're drawing just plain don't make sense. Fighting off the front foot feels more natural, it's what beginners are inclined to do. And it's possible to be very successful that way, but the ideal way is to be able to fight off both feet, shifting back and forth constantly as your weight moves and your head moves. Punching using both legs is not slower, it's better balanced. What champs fight only on the front foot? The best might prefer weight forward or back, but almost all the champs can shift to either effectively.

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

You have completely lost me,

Maybe I lost myself lol. Okay if you're throwing an uppercut lifting both heels coming onto the ball of your front foot then that means.I should be able to lift my back leg up why because I'm on the ball of my front foot right?

You should probably specify which uppercut.

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

You have completely lost me,

Maybe I lost myself lol. Okay if you're throwing an uppercut lifting both heels coming onto the ball of your front foot then that means.I should be able to lift my back leg up why because I'm on the ball of my front foot right?

But we are not trying to put the head forward, that wont generate power or purpose of what we are aiming for.

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

You have completely lost me,

Maybe I lost myself lol. Okay if you're throwing an uppercut lifting both heels coming onto the ball of your front foot then that means.I should be able to lift my back leg up why because I'm on the ball of my front foot right?

But we are not trying to put the head forward, that wont generate power or purpose of what we are aiming for.

No that wasn't my question! No... Repeat I should be able to lift my back leg if I'm on the ball of my front foot right!

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

You have completely lost me,

Maybe I lost myself lol. Okay if you're throwing an uppercut lifting both heels coming onto the ball of your front foot then that means.I should be able to lift my back leg up why because I'm on the ball of my front foot right?

But we are not trying to put the head forward, that wont generate power or purpose of what we are aiming for.

No that wasn't my question! No... Repeat I should be able to lift my back leg if I'm on the ball of my front foot right!

If thats the intention I suppose you can, but if the Heads telling you not to you cant. Body transports the head to where it wants to go,it cannot protect itself.