Thread: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

You have completely lost me,

Maybe I lost myself lol. Okay if you're throwing an uppercut lifting both heels coming onto the ball of your front foot then that means.I should be able to lift my back leg up why because I'm on the ball of my front foot right?

But we are not trying to put the head forward, that wont generate power or purpose of what we are aiming for.

No that wasn't my question! No... Repeat I should be able to lift my back leg if I'm on the ball of my front foot right!

If thats the intention I suppose you can, but if the Heads telling you not to you cant. Body transports the head to where it wants to go,it cannot protect itself.

So you are fighting of the front foot!?

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

You have completely lost me,

Maybe I lost myself lol. Okay if you're throwing an uppercut lifting both heels coming onto the ball of your front foot then that means.I should be able to lift my back leg up why because I'm on the ball of my front foot right?

But we are not trying to put the head forward, that wont generate power or purpose of what we are aiming for.

No that wasn't my question! No... Repeat I should be able to lift my back leg if I'm on the ball of my front foot right!

If thats the intention I suppose you can, but if the Heads telling you not to you cant. Body transports the head to where it wants to go,it cannot protect itself.

So you are fighting of the front foot!?

No of the back foot, thats your distance, its that what puts you where you should be in relative safety. Think the problem is commentators watching someone going forward says he is on the front foot now, when in fact he is not, they interpret it that way as a term of reference.

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

You have completely lost me,

Maybe I lost myself lol. Okay if you're throwing an uppercut lifting both heels coming onto the ball of your front foot then that means.I should be able to lift my back leg up why because I'm on the ball of my front foot right?

But we are not trying to put the head forward, that wont generate power or purpose of what we are aiming for.

No that wasn't my question! No... Repeat I should be able to lift my back leg if I'm on the ball of my front foot right!

If thats the intention I suppose you can, but if the Heads telling you not to you cant. Body transports the head to where it wants to go,it cannot protect itself.

So you are fighting of the front foot!?

No of the back foot, thats your distance, its that what puts you where you should be in relative safety. Think the problem is commentators watching someone going forward says he is on the front foot now, when in fact he is not, they interpret it that way as a term of reference.

Right! Call to your attention BOXING lesson 5 figure 1. " fighting against a taller opponent begin by moving the front knee forward first and bending the knees. Some may see this as a crouched stance but nevertheless as long as the back is straight he is still on his back leg correct!? How else would he slip inside to get to throw punches

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

You have completely lost me,

Maybe I lost myself lol. Okay if you're throwing an uppercut lifting both heels coming onto the ball of your front foot then that means.I should be able to lift my back leg up why because I'm on the ball of my front foot right?

But we are not trying to put the head forward, that wont generate power or purpose of what we are aiming for.

No that wasn't my question! No... Repeat I should be able to lift my back leg if I'm on the ball of my front foot right!

If thats the intention I suppose you can, but if the Heads telling you not to you cant. Body transports the head to where it wants to go,it cannot protect itself.

So you are fighting of the front foot!?

No of the back foot, thats your distance, its that what puts you where you should be in relative safety. Think the problem is commentators watching someone going forward says he is on the front foot now, when in fact he is not, they interpret it that way as a term of reference.

Right! Call to your attention BOXING lesson 5 figure 1. " fighting against a taller opponent begin by moving the front knee forward first and bending the knees. Some may see this as a crouched stance but nevertheless as long as the back is straight he is still on his back leg correct!? How else would he slip inside to get to throw punches

try moving both feet, simple and turning the foot to where you want to be.

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

You have completely lost me,

Maybe I lost myself lol. Okay if you're throwing an uppercut lifting both heels coming onto the ball of your front foot then that means.I should be able to lift my back leg up why because I'm on the ball of my front foot right?

But we are enot trying to put the head forward, that wont generate power or purpose of what we are aiming for.

No that wasn't my question! No... Repeat I should be able to lift my back leg if I'm on the ball of my front foot right!

If thats the intention I suppose you can, but if the Heads telling you not to you cant. Body transports the head to where it wants to go,it cannot protect itself.

So you are fighting of the front foot!?

No of the back foot, thats your distance, its that what puts you where you should be in relative safety. Think the problem is commentators watching someone going forward says he is on the front foot now, when in fact he is not, they interpret it that way as a term of reference.

Right! Call to your attention BOXING lesson 5 figure 1. " fighting against a taller opponent begin by moving the front knee forward first and bending the knees. Some may see this as a crouched stance but nevertheless as long as the back is straight he is still on his back leg correct!? How else would he slip inside to get to throw punches

try moving both feet, simple and turning the foot to where you want to be.

Right! That is how my coach does it to the letter T. However I find it difficult to slip under the punch when fighting against taller opponents the other issue is moving in with two feet =clinching. However in lesson 5 figure 1 it's easier to get under the punches while still being on my rear foot. Wouldn't you agree that moving in with two feet =clinching?

If you over think in the ring like you do in here you are going to become so confused and such a stilted fighter.

Ok have a shot at answering your own question here:
If you move in using two feet to get in there and your hands are behind your back will you be clinching?

Extending that:

Have you ever moved inside someones guard with both feet push off the rear land the front foot adjust the rear foot (specially against a taller longer reaching opponent) and been smashing them up through the openings they leave between their arms as they react to you?

Or make em react even more: a light shove on an elbow as you go in makes their arm react the other way and you are in there and fire up the other side of that arm.

All require two feet, all are moving inside, no grappling involved.

Or if both feet are moving, you can move anywhere, if they are in the right position.

Originally Posted by Scrap

Or if both feet are moving, you can move anywhere, if they are in the right position.

5:30pm gym opens first exercise is the pendulum two feet in and two feet back out back and forth in out for 15 minutes. Out off all the fighters in the club not one us does this technique eventhough we are ordered to come in with both feet.
Danger is
1.clinching
2.getting hit going out.
3.(standup fighter)hard to keep the head down.poor DEFENSE against hooks.
4.hard to get flurries off while standing up straight.
5.poor lateral movement.
6.inability to bob and weave.

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Or if both feet are moving, you can move anywhere, if they are in the right position.

5:30pm gym opens first exercise is the pendulum two feet in and two feet back out back and forth in out for 15 minutes. Out off all the fighters in the club not one us does this technique eventhough we are ordered to come in with both feet.
Danger is
1.clinching
2.getting hit going out.
3.(standup fighter)hard to keep the head down.poor DEFENSE against hooks.
4.hard to get flurries off while standing up straight.
5.poor lateral movement.
6.inability to bob and weave.

From the bottom up,

Why do you think there is an inability to bob and weave?

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Or if both feet are moving, you can move anywhere, if they are in the right position.

5:30pm gym opens first exercise is the pendulum two feet in and two feet back out back and forth in out for 15 minutes. Out off all the fighters in the club not one us does this technique eventhough we are ordered to come in with both feet.
Danger is
1.clinching
2.getting hit going out.
3.(standup fighter)hard to keep the head down.poor DEFENSE against hooks.
4.hard to get flurries off while standing up straight.
5.poor lateral movement.
6.inability to bob and weave.

From the bottom up,

Why do you think there is an inability to bob and weave?

Relaying and Exploding - Книги - Библиотека международной спортивной информации
Three principal semi-crouch and the full crouch are best for bobbing and weaving. The upright stance whic maybe Scrap's stance isn't for bobbing and weaving.

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Or if both feet are moving, you can move anywhere, if they are in the right position.

5:30pm gym opens first exercise is the pendulum two feet in and two feet back out back and forth in out for 15 minutes. Out off all the fighters in the club not one us does this technique eventhough we are ordered to come in with both feet.
Danger is
1.clinching
2.getting hit going out.
3.(standup fighter)hard to keep the head down.poor DEFENSE against hooks.
4.hard to get flurries off while standing up straight.
5.poor lateral movement.
6.inability to bob and weave.

From the bottom up,

Why do you think there is an inability to bob and weave?

Relaying and Exploding - Книги - Библиотека международной спортивной информации
Three principal semi-crouch and the full crouch are best for bobbing and weaving. The upright stance whic maybe Scrap's stance isn't for bobbing and weaving.

I have no idea how you can over think everything the way you do and spread one comment made by Scrap out into so many areas?

Since when is Scraps style a stand up style? Where do you get this shit from?

A stance is not maintained throughout movement.

Scrap you will find, hasnt got 'a stance' as such. There is a style he would fight in and one I would too, but to try and place those two differing styles into 'stance category' means you are either totaly misguided or using the wrong wording.

Id say if any fighter had a stance for all things then they are fucked.

Trying to bring in one single techniques use on the broader scale is pointless in boxing or martial arts.

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by Scrap

Or if both feet are moving, you can move anywhere, if they are in the right position.

5:30pm gym opens first exercise is the pendulum two feet in and two feet back out back and forth in out for 15 minutes. Out off all the fighters in the club not one us does this technique eventhough we are ordered to come in with both feet.
Danger is
1.clinching
2.getting hit going out.
3.(standup fighter)hard to keep the head down.poor DEFENSE against hooks.
4.hard to get flurries off while standing up straight.
5.poor lateral movement.
6.inabilitsy to bob and weave.

From the bottom up,

Why do you think there is an inability to bob and weave?

Relaying and Exploding - Книги - Библиотека международной спортивной информации
Three principal semi-crouch and the full crouch are best for bobbing and weaving. The upright stance whic maybe Scrap's stance isn't for bobbing and weaving.

I have no idea how you can over think everything the way you do and spread one comment made by Scrap out into so many areas?

Since when is Scraps style a stand up style? Where do you get this shit from?

A stance is not maintained throughout movement.

Scrap you will find, hasnt got 'a stance' as such. There is a style he would fight in and one I would too, but to try and place those two differing styles into 'stance category' means you are either totaly misguided or using the wrong wording.

Id say if any fighter had a stance for all things then they are fucked.

Trying to bring in one single techniques use on the broader scale is pointless in boxing or martial arts.

Well! I guess that's about right. But Andre what you're saying many coaches might misconstrue for brawling.Believe it or not there are a lot of coaches out there who think that brawling is savage and poor ringmanship.what I am trying to determine the factors.what you were saying is right however before I jump to another gym I'm going to have to have good reasons why I'm jumping ship. most importantly I have to know what to look for so that I can find a good gym who Is on the same page. Yes there are Gyms out there who think they have a stance for all circumstances and if that means fighting off the front foot where the head is exposed they will simply say you're not ready for the fight until you do as they see fit that's the facts.
Again I agree with you that you don't see planes having stances they just fight however (chuckle) i'm not the coach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kKY_NGM1Uw

Originally Posted by takeshi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kKY_NGM1Uw

There is a correlation between muscle stabilizers and good form you may find that when you don't have it your opponent can throw you off balance with hooks.