Thread: Were all Marciano's fights on the level

All them facts Brock it must be The Boys Book Of Boxing.

Of course

No boxer's fights are all on the level.

Match-making for example: feeding your new bright-light pro a bunch of dudes who each have 17 losses each or more.

It's ain't fight-fixing, but it certainly isn't on the level.
The opponent with all the losses knows what he's there for, what he's getting paid for.

Marciano arguably fought in the weakest era in heavyweight history not including the grappling era although Dempsey is right on the fringe of grappling and he ducked every black man of his era. The only prime heavyweight Marciano ever fought was Lastarza and he barely beat him the first time. He struggled with a Walcott who was about ten years out of his prime, almost got beat by a shop worn Charles and beat up grandfather Louis.

Rocky was a slugger and not a very good boxer his goal was to land one or two punches and that was it.

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Rocky was a slugger and not a very good boxer his goal was to land one or two punches and that was it.

Rocky had great stamina and heart. I would say he would have been the greatest cruiserweight champion of all time. I believe he beats Holyfield at cruiserweight.

haha that "10 years out of his prime" Walcott beat the shit out of Marciano for the first 2 rounds---didnt look too shabby to me. Why couldnt he finish him then? Shot his load after 6 minutes? At 38 years old? But Foreman fought til he was 49? Rubbish.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

haha that "10 years out of his prime" Walcott beat the shit out of Marciano for the first 2 rounds---didnt look too shabby to me. Why couldnt he finish him then? Shot his load after 6 minutes? At 38 years old? But Foreman fought til he was 49? Rubbish.

Fighters in those days aged quicker mainly because they fought more often. In the rumble in the jungle Ali was considered old at 32.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Marciano arguably fought in the weakest era in heavyweight history not including the grappling era although Dempsey is right on the fringe of grappling and he ducked every black man of his era. The only prime heavyweight Marciano ever fought was Lastarza and he barely beat him the first time. He struggled with a Walcott who was about ten years out of his prime, almost got beat by a shop worn Charles and beat up grandfather Louis.

You call Carmine Vingo, Rex Layne, Harry Kid Matthews, Roland LaStarza, Ezzard Charles, WEAK

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Marciano arguably fought in the weakest era in heavyweight history not including the grappling era although Dempsey is right on the fringe of grappling and he ducked every black man of his era. The only prime heavyweight Marciano ever fought was Lastarza and he barely beat him the first time. He struggled with a Walcott who was about ten years out of his prime, almost got beat by a shop worn Charles and beat up grandfather Louis.

You call Carmine Vingo, Rex Layne, Harry Kid Matthews, Roland LaStarza, Ezzard Charles, WEAK

Beside Charles those names are weak but Rocky can beat only what they put in front of him.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Marciano arguably fought in the weakest era in heavyweight history not including the grappling era although Dempsey is right on the fringe of grappling and he ducked every black man of his era. The only prime heavyweight Marciano ever fought was Lastarza and he barely beat him the first time. He struggled with a Walcott who was about ten years out of his prime, almost got beat by a shop worn Charles and beat up grandfather Louis.

I don't know about Walcott. He was a better fighter later than he was in his prime, I think, and, for a guy that lost a bunch of fights, he was a pretty good fighter. Slick, tricky, and he could hit real well, too. It doesn't suprise me that he gave Marciano hell in the first fight. The educatinal difference would explain that. Walcott was a clever fighter with a lot of experince; Marciano started late and was winning on power and conditioning and heart.
Goldman was making him into a pretty good fighter but, by then, Marciano was no kid himself. I don' think that people take into account two things about Marciano. First, that he started late and advanced very quickly. His boxing smarts were not his own; they came from Charley Goldman and Marciano had to think as he implemented them. Second, he fought some brilliant guys. The boxing IQs of Charles (the best of all time, in my eyes), Walcott, and Moore were off the charts. Joe Louis was nobody's fool and he had Blackburn, like Marciano had Goldman.
ANY young guy with the limited experience/boxing background of Marciano fighting those guys is going to school. That he beat them is a testament to incredible will and conditioning, and some smarts of his own because he learned what Goldman taught pretty quick and was at least halfway slick himself by the time he retired.

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Marciano arguably fought in the weakest era in heavyweight history not including the grappling era although Dempsey is right on the fringe of grappling and he ducked every black man of his era. The only prime heavyweight Marciano ever fought was Lastarza and he barely beat him the first time. He struggled with a Walcott who was about ten years out of his prime, almost got beat by a shop worn Charles and beat up grandfather Louis.

I don't know about Walcott. He was a better fighter later than he was in his prime, I think, and, for a guy that lost a bunch of fights, he was a pretty good fighter. Slick, tricky, and he could hit real well, too. It doesn't suprise me that he gave Marciano hell in the first fight. The educatinal difference would explain that. Walcott was a clever fighter with a lot of experince; Marciano started late and was winning on power and conditioning and heart.
Goldman was making him into a pretty good fighter but, by then, Marciano was no kid himself. I don' think that people take into account two things about Marciano. First, that he started late and advanced very quickly. His boxing smarts were not his own; they came from Charley Goldman and Marciano had to think as he implemented them. Second, he fought some brilliant guys. The boxing IQs of Charles (the best of all time, in my eyes), Walcott, and Moore were off the charts. Joe Louis was nobody's fool and he had Blackburn, like Marciano had Goldman.
ANY young guy with the limited experience/boxing background of Marciano fighting those guys is going to school. That he beat them is a testament to incredible will and conditioning, and some smarts of his own because he learned what Goldman taught pretty quick and was at least halfway slick himself by the time he retired.

how about a 50 year old with no wear and tear? no smoking or drinking, eating only heavy vegetables and olive oil and fruits and drinking 3 liters of water a day? Could he have any chance? I just need to lose 40 pounds and learn how to step, I don't understand how to step. I dont understand how to step with my feet. If I could learn that, I can knock anyone out in my weight class.

I think Rocky Marciano was pretty good.

All he did ....................... was win.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Marciano arguably fought in the weakest era in heavyweight history not including the grappling era although Dempsey is right on the fringe of grappling and he ducked every black man of his era. The only prime heavyweight Marciano ever fought was Lastarza and he barely beat him the first time. He struggled with a Walcott who was about ten years out of his prime, almost got beat by a shop worn Charles and beat up grandfather Louis.

You call Carmine Vingo, Rex Layne, Harry Kid Matthews, Roland LaStarza, Ezzard Charles, WEAK

I made a mistake, I should have said LAME. Don't even include Charles in the same sentence of the other 3 and a half men. Even at a severely diminished capacity he could have walked through that sorry ass crowd with ease. I mean he almost knocked Marciano out in that condition. Charles was not only worn out by the time Marciano faced him but mentally broken from the Baroudi fight. And if Marciano could not beat that other group then he had no business even calling himself a contender.
If Chuvalo had his era he to would have been undefeated. Same fighter.

Nice try though. Well, not really.

Oh and you forgot Eddie Ross.

Rocky Marciano vs. Johnny Pretzie

Those close to Johnny, said he took a 'dive'.

Johnny gave Rocky fits for each of the first 3-Rounds.

Suddenly in the 4th, after handling Rocky pretty well, Johnny fell down.

In Round 5, he 'fell' 3-Times before the bout was stopped.

"Oh Johnny Boy" .........