Thread: Why couldn't a PRIME Kovalev knock out a 50 year old man?

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Kovalev had a strategy that he stuck to until the final minute of the fight. That's why he won and it's why he didn't KO Hopkins. He and his trainer worked out a brilliant fight plan based on the understanding that Bernard relies on using angles and slipping punches to avoid initial attacks then uses either dirty tactics to damage and distract his opponents or he lunges with flurries of his own as his opponents are trying to reset. Kovalev controlled the pace and the distance by backing off every time he finished throwing his 2 or 3 initial punches thereby never giving Hopkins the chance to get his mount his own cheating offense. In the past Hopkins relied on fighters anxiety and anxiousness to have them make mistakes. Kovalev and his corner understood that Hopkins skills have diminished to the point that his only chance to score comes from what chances his opponents give him, so they just didn't hive him many chances to profit from. This win showed me that Kovalev can follow a plan when the fighter is following a predictable pattern where he doesn't have an offense and doesn't adapt. It said more about how finished Hopkins is than how good Kovalev is. Kovalev did make a lot of mistakes that other more capable and active fighters would have taken advantage of.

To be fair to Kovalev, he will fight other fighters differently.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

I was wrong about the fight, but ALSO: You have to ask the question. Here is a guy in his prime 20 years younger than BHOP, so why could he not finish him off? Tried as hard as he could and could not get him out of there or stop him.

In comparison, Marciano stopped 38 year old Walcott, Holmes stopped 38 year old Ali, Tyson stopped 38 year old Holmes, etc. etc. seems 38 years old is the Death Sentence even for a few ATGs like Holmes, Louis, Ali, etc... AND YET THIS KOVALEV could not stop a 50 year old.

What makes you assume that his aim was to knock Hopkins out?
His goal was to beat an exceptional and awkward 49 year old, how did that work out?

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Kovalev had a strategy that he stuck to until the final minute of the fight. That's why he won and it's why he didn't KO Hopkins. He and his trainer worked out a brilliant fight plan based on the understanding that Bernard relies on using angles and slipping punches to avoid initial attacks then uses either dirty tactics to damage and distract his opponents or he lunges with flurries of his own as his opponents are trying to reset. Kovalev controlled the pace and the distance by backing off every time he finished throwing his 2 or 3 initial punches thereby never giving Hopkins the chance to get his mount his own cheating offense. In the past Hopkins relied on fighters anxiety and anxiousness to have them make mistakes. Kovalev and his corner understood that Hopkins skills have diminished to the point that his only chance to score comes from what chances his opponents give him, so they just didn't hive him many chances to profit from. This win showed me that Kovalev can follow a plan when the fighter is following a predictable pattern where he doesn't have an offense and doesn't adapt. It said more about how finished Hopkins is than how good Kovalev is. Kovalev did make a lot of mistakes that other more capable and active fighters would have taken advantage of.

To be fair to Kovalev, he will fight other fighters differently.

Fighters game and adapt to what's in front of them and Kovalev more than showed he is capable and will do the same. He shut Hopkins down at his own game, he had him tamed by the second round. I like him over Stevenson big time and they'll probably have him fight his mandatory Mohammedi next. They can hold that one in a walk in closet.

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Because Hopkins fought like a black American fighter. Like a bitch. Throwing 12 punches a round. Running away. What a coward. If he was a white man Id shun him but black americans are proud of cowards. Just look at Ali. Too scared to join the army.

Sir, this post is wrong on several levels!
You should delete it or ask a Mod to delete it. It highlights your lack of knowledge about boxing, US History, and Americans of African descent.

Its purposely offensive. No problem with white fighters being abused purely for being white but as soon as something is said about a black fighter your called a racist.

Purposely offensive! On shit?
Calling a white or black fighter overhyped or a stupid fighter in the ring is an opinion.
Saying all black fighters "fight like a bitch" or all blacks are cowards because Ali refused to be drafted into the Army, as a political statement against the Vietnam War are lies.
Look, I have never liked Ali or his mouth and I know there are black racists just like there are white
racists, but you still carried 'purposely offensive' too far, in my
opinion.

Hopkins is a survivor it's his style, Kovalev put him down in the 1st round the writing was on the
wall, he used his craftiness to see to the end, he was out on his feet with 5 seconds to go in
the last round.

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Because Hopkins fought like a black American fighter. Like a bitch. Throwing 12 punches a round. Running away. What a coward. If he was a white man Id shun him but black americans are proud of cowards. Just look at Ali. Too scared to join the army.

Sir, this post is wrong on several levels!
You should delete it or ask a Mod to delete it. It highlights your lack of knowledge about boxing, US History, and Americans of African descent.

Its purposely offensive. No problem with white fighters being abused purely for being white but as soon as something is said about a black fighter your called a racist.

Purposely offensive! On shit?
Calling a white or black fighter overhyped or a stupid fighter in the ring is an opinion.
Saying all black fighters "fight like a bitch" or all blacks are cowards because Ali refused to be drafted into the Army, as a political statement against the Vietnam War are lies.
Look, I have never liked Ali or his mouth and I know there are black racists just like there are white
racists, but you still carried 'purposely offensive' too far, in my
opinion.

Come on @Silkeyjoe you should know better.

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Kovalev had a strategy that he stuck to until the final minute of the fight. That's why he won and it's why he didn't KO Hopkins. He and his trainer worked out a brilliant fight plan based on the understanding that Bernard relies on using angles and slipping punches to avoid initial attacks then uses either dirty tactics to damage and distract his opponents or he lunges with flurries of his own as his opponents are trying to reset. Kovalev controlled the pace and the distance by backing off every time he finished throwing his 2 or 3 initial punches thereby never giving Hopkins the chance to get his mount his own cheating offense. In the past Hopkins relied on fighters anxiety and anxiousness to have them make mistakes. Kovalev and his corner understood that Hopkins skills have diminished to the point that his only chance to score comes from what chances his opponents give him, so they just didn't hive him many chances to profit from. This win showed me that Kovalev can follow a plan when the fighter is following a predictable pattern where he doesn't have an offense and doesn't adapt. It said more about how finished Hopkins is than how good Kovalev is. Kovalev did make a lot of mistakes that other more capable and active fighters would have taken advantage of.

To be fair to Kovalev, he will fight other fighters differently.

That's my point. Kovalev's performance tonight was for Hopkins and Hopkins alone.

...and Kovalev didn't try to KO him until the very end. Had this fight been in the UK the fight would have been stopped with 10 seconds to go.

I was reading an article about the fight and they talked about how Kovalev would throw punches then step back out of range and they made it sound like it was some amazing tactical feat.
That is what you are supposed to do, step in, punch and finish up by getting out. That is boxing 101.

Kovalev is very good but wouwwild have got his communist clock cleaned by Marvin hagler or tommy hearrns. Kovalev is not on the level of a great middleweight. John Mugabe would have annihilated him.

After not liking hopkins for a time he really grew on me. I did think he would pull out a win last night but Kovalev would not allow this to become a bhop fight. In my eyes that beating Bhop took in round twelve was a KO but props to Hop for not going down. He reminded me of Timothy Bradley during the Prod fight. This fight raised my opinion of both fighters. I'm looking forward to seeing what Kovalev does next

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

I was reading an article about the fight and they talked about how Kovalev would throw punches then step back out of range and they made it sound like it was some amazing tactical feat.
That is what you are supposed to do, step in, punch and finish up by getting out. That is boxing 101.

Sometimes the simple things are the hardest thing to do even if they will be the most effective.

I think silkyjoe and denilson200 represent black and white race in the most pathetic manner.

They both seem like a couple of cunts (sorry for c word) who have to drag race into a discussion.

Ali is black and kovalev is white.

One is a legend and one is on his way to being a legend.

Get over it.

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

I was reading an article about the fight and they talked about how Kovalev would throw punches then step back out of range and they made it sound like it was some amazing tactical feat.
That is what you are supposed to do, step in, punch and finish up by getting out. That is boxing 101.

I think prior to last night a large portion of fans doubted he was even capable of adapting and showing that and spoken of like he was a one dimensional Frankenstein. The subtleties he has, along with a mule kick in either hand. Going to be a fun ride!

Kovalev looked much the bigger man and it showed, as he was a lot stronger than Hopkins
thing is now who is next for Kovalev.

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

I was reading an article about the fight and they talked about how Kovalev would throw punches then step back out of range and they made it sound like it was some amazing tactical feat.
That is what you are supposed to do, step in, punch and finish up by getting out. That is boxing 101.

That's correct. These days normal stuff gets glorified...it shows how low the bar has gone down. Good points grey. Next they'll give props to fighters for not swallowing water in between rounds.