Thread: Whenever Klits fought someone their size, they struggled!

Klits struggled badly against every fighter over 6'4 and 230 pounds. Only their gargantuan size gives them any advantage over their opponents. FACT.

CaSe in point: The bum mariusz wach took wlad 12 rounds bwahahahahaaa

Pulev?

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Klits struggled badly against every fighter over 6'4 and 230 pounds. Only their gargantuan size gives them any advantage over their opponents. FACT.

being gargantuan...is a helluva advantage


But then again, Valuev is the gargantuan of all gargantuans...so skill, balance and power has some to do with it also...


oh, and another weak azz era of HW's

It's been awhile since someone levelled this accusation at this guy Klit. So let's see how true it is...

First though, it is the HW division, where you are allowed to outweigh your opponent as well as out-tall as always, so you can't complain about a size advantage, otherwise it's called lay off the burger, run and get down to Cruiser!

Instead of me rambling on here I just happen to have a link to something which deals exactly with this issue.

Wladimir Klitschko only wins by outweighing his opponents | Box statistics, analysis of boxing history records, stats of boxing eras

Weight is an issue for EVERY boxer and it should be no surprise that ANY boxer would struggle more with a boxer the heavier the opponents get.

But with Klitschko we see a HIGHER than average success rate with regards to heavier opponents fought and defeated.. And with regard to how many bigger/taller opponents he managed to knock out. Even quality opponents!

Obviously there is something aside of size that makes him successful, considering other tall and heavy boxers have tried but ONLY the Klitschko's were so dominant.

Your hate for the Ukranian boxers and for their era in general is in stark contrast with your love of that other era.

Your backing fury then ?

Wlad has beaten the absolute dogshit out of any and ALL taller, larger opponents FACT

McCline, Wach (who was on roids AND tried to sneak tampered gloves into the fight), Thompson X 2, Ray Austin, Derrick Jefferson, etc....smashed them all

Klitchkos Lewis & Bowe first fighter over 6'4 to brake the myth that tall fighters weren't coordinated.

This seems to prove that being tall doesnt give you an advantage. HAYE over Valuev example.
Dempsey over Willard, Moorer over big foot Martin.
Heck Wilt Chamberlain was supposed to fight Ali, but Ali punked his ass in the tv studio proving a big guy can also have a small heart.

Baby bro wlad struggles with anyone who has a heart and will power.
IN the world of mythical fights Evander breaks this kids spirit and chops him down...Tiiimmmbbberrrr!

Holyfield: Klitschkos Would Have Did Fine in My Era - Boxing News

I'm no Wlad fan, brock..... but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one.

Wlad fought Ray Austin (6'-6"), Tony Thompson (6'-5") twice, and Jameel McCline (6'-6"), and hardly broke a sweat with any of them.
I think the real key to Wlad's struggles is the following quote:

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Baby bro wlad struggles with anyone who has a heart and will power.

The aforementioned guys were just as big as Wlad, but entered the ring with the aggressiveness of meek little sheep being led to the slaughterhouse. Which is what pisses me off about Wlad's list of opponents victims. They talk all the shit in the world.... built up the hype.... and proceed to turn in their worst performances as pros. The Austin fight stands out clearly in my mind. Finally. Here was a big guy who was going to test Wlad's chin.... and he was just as big as Wlad. But the guy went in there like he was double-parked outside, and just wanted to get the hell out of there. He was nothing but a 6'-6" punching bag. .... and Austin is just the poster boy for a lot of Wlad's opponents victims. Which in turn is the main reason why I don't like Wlad fights and refuse to give Wlad the credit some say he deserves. Because when he does fight someone with heart and will power and who actually came to fight (and with a little pop in his punches to boot)..... he resorts to clinching, mauling, fouling, and making a mess of a heavyweight fight (see: Povetkin).

"and refuse to give Wlad the credit some say he deserves"



Oh get over it

"Because when he does fight someone with heart and will power and who actually came to fight (and with a little pop in his punches to boot)..... he resorts to clinching, mauling, fouling, and making a mess of a heavyweight fight (see: Povetkin)."

...hmmmm who NEVER clinched, mauled, fouled, or made a mess of a heavyweight fight hmmm....who NEVER did that. Was that Evander Holyfield who never did that? Was that Mike Tyson who always had the opponents that didn't act like victims? Was it Ali that never held and clinched? Lennox Lewis who never mauled and fouled?

I'm terribly sorry that you're quite unimpressed with the 10 years that Wladimir has been the champion of the division. I'm certain he'll try to be better just for you....I mean it's just a shame that the best undefeated boxer the division had to offer just got lit up by Wlad and stopped in the 5th round with relative ease. You keep rooting against him though...who knows maybe he'll retire and you can go back to watching Butterbean fight

Originally Posted by El Kabong

"and refuse to give Wlad the credit some say he deserves"



Oh get over it

"Because when he does fight someone with heart and will power and who actually came to fight (and with a little pop in his punches to boot)..... he resorts to clinching, mauling, fouling, and making a mess of a heavyweight fight (see: Povetkin)."

...hmmmm who NEVER clinched, mauled, fouled, or made a mess of a heavyweight fight hmmm....who NEVER did that. Was that Evander Holyfield who never did that? Was that Mike Tyson who always had the opponents that didn't act like victims? Was it Ali that never held and clinched? Lennox Lewis who never mauled and fouled?

I'm terribly sorry that you're quite unimpressed with the 10 years that Wladimir has been the champion of the division. I'm certain he'll try to be better just for you....I mean it's just a shame that the best undefeated boxer the division had to offer just got lit up by Wlad and stopped in the 5th round with relative ease. You keep rooting against him though...who knows maybe he'll retire and you can go back to watching Butterbean fight

So..............

You then....... (cough) "enjoy" watching classics like Wlad-Ibragimov, Wlad-Povetkin, Wlad-Austin, Wlad-Haye, Wlad-Thompson, blah, blah, blah, ad nauseam........ as opposed to the actually exciting, competitive heavyweights prior to the Wladimir era? What other spectacles do you enjoy watching in life? Competitive knitting? Professional bingo? Thumb wrestling?

Fascinating.

Let me get this straight..... 'cause this is worth getting on record.

Are you actually defending the "Povetkin" Wlad?!?

Inquisitive minds want to know.

Povetkin made the fight tough, that's how he was going to be successful vs Wladimir and Wladimir kept him from being successful...that's all there is to it.

Wlad-Ibragimov: I did not like that fight, Sultan ran the entire time. That said, you have an opponent running, loading up on 1 huge shot...Wlad attempted to KO him, but why take a giant risk and stand and trade with a guy loading up for 1 lulu of a punch? Does that make strategic sense? Wlad did what he could with what Sultan offered him and that is why he typically finds a way to win.

Wlad-Haye: I thought the fight could have gone better but Haye hurt hims little baby toe so of course HE ran the entire fight

Wlad-Thompson 1 & 2: I enjoyed both of those, Tony gave everything he had in the first fight and gave Wlad a run, tired him out pretty good but Wlad stopped the guy (who had never been stopped ever before) and THEN he stopped him again, earlier and with menace. YES I enjoyed that fight.

Wlad-Austin: Shit yeah I enjoyed that fight, Wlad blasted Ray with a left hook that nearly took off Ray's head and he followed up to make certain he ended the fight right then and there. A 2nd round stoppage, you're bitching about a 2nd round KO Aaaaaalllllright

I'm happy you complain about Wlad regardless of how quickly he knocks out an opponent 11th round, 2nd round, doesn't make a difference to you. You watch the Pulev fight? Nah better yet DON'T, DON'T watch and then DON'T complain.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Wlad-Ibragimov: I did not like that fight, Sultan ran the entire time. That said, you have an opponent running, loading up on 1 huge shot...Wlad attempted to KO him, but why take a giant risk and stand and trade with a guy loading up for 1 lulu of a punch? Does that make strategic sense? Wlad did what he could with what Sultan offered him and that is why he typically finds a way to win.

Out of your entire post, this was the doozy.

Exactly when did Wlad attempt to KO Sultan?

In the dressing room?
After the fight in the parking lot?
While Sultan was sleeping in his hotel room?

I'd like to say I would rewatch the "fight" to see exactly when during the "fight" this alleged attempted KO happened, but I'm no masochist, and frankly I'd prefer to get a root canal without anesthetic, before sitting through Wlad-Sultan again. But to my recollection, and in my humble opinion, the only thing Wlad did during the ENTIRE Sultan "fight" was engage in an interminably exasperating pawing contest with Sultan. Please..... pleeeeeeease do not continue to defend this snoozefest, as it undermines whatever feeble defenses you may have of Wlad.

We'd all respect it a lot more if you said: "You know? I'm the biggest Wlad fan here. But I'll be the first to admit that the Sultan fight was a huge stinker, partly because of Wlad himself. The Povetkin fight? Not one of Wlad's shining moments." Say that.... and all of your Wlad defenses would seem more palatable.