Thread: Islamic extremist attack in Nigeria named the ‘deadliest massacre’ in history

Originally Posted by El Kabong

The newsmedia did NOT refer to Tim McVeigh as the Unabomber that was Ted Kaczynski who sent mail bombs to Universities hence the moniker "Una-Bomber". Tim McVeigh was called a "right wing extremist" and attempts were made to place the blame of the Oklahoma City Bombing on Rush Limbaugh's radio show oddly enough.


If we want to be specific about Islam in regards to terrorism we must understand the sectarian nature of Islam. Much like Christianity is not 1 sect anymore Islam too has branches but instead of Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian Islam is broken up into ethnic groups which practice the religion separately: Shiites are Persians and Sunnis are Arabs, then you have the Kurds who are neither, and then you have subgroups like the Pashtuns. It's all very complex and convoluted. But here's how I break it down: The Islamic State, Al Qaeda are Sunnis...so we've got a bit of Sunni issue here

Thanks for the correction of Ted over Tim...

Ted-Tim :The name shouldn't deter from the idea that the one who did it, was dis-associated with a religion or groups, causing media watchers to conclude: He did it not in concert- but alone.
Yet, I stand corrected on Ted, not Tim.

And you also make a claim (Sunni vs Shia) issue, to which the media doesn't see in terms of specifics, so generalism takes over.

If the media would have worded like you, did, I would me more in agreement. It is a sectarian issue.
IMO, you nailed it on the head.

Well it's still not a simple issue, take a look at Syria for example, they are in a Civil War and here are who is fighting


THE GOVERNMENT Bashir al-Assad, Iran, Hezbollah, Ba'ath Brigades, al-Abbas, Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq, Jayash al-Muwahhideen, Syrian Resistence, Arab Nationalist Guard, Popular Front For The Liberation of Palestine. With arms provided by: Russia, North Korea(possibly China)

THE OPPOSITION(yeah, that's how fucking organized they are ) : Islamic Front, Free Syrian Army, Al-Nusra Front, Syrian Revolutionary Command Council, Jabhat Ansar al-Deen, Muhajirin wa-Ansar Alliance. With arms provided by: USA, France, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Libya

THE ISLAMIC STATE: ISIS/ISIL, Al Qaeda

THE KURDS & INTELLECTUALS: Kurdistan, People's Protection Units, Liwa' Jabhat al-'Akrad, Peshmerga, and the Kurdistan Workers Party. Arms provided by: USA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, Bahrain, The UAE, and Morocco .


So things are certainly NOT as binary as wars have been in the past.


Also in regards to Ted and Tim, Tim McVeigh WAS big into religion and anti abortion and all that stuff and he DID convert to Roman Catholicism but the main crux of his beef with the United States government was what the FBI and ATF did at Waco as well as Ruby Ridge. Ted Kaczynski was somewhat of a Luddite to an extent. Not in that he was religious, but he just hated technology and went waaaaaay off the deep end with the whole save the Earth kind of thing.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Well it's still not a simple issue, take a look at Syria for example, they are in a Civil War and here are who is fighting

I agree, rarely are these simplistic issues: They hate freedom so they kill.


THE GOVERNMENT Bashir al-Assad, Iran, Hezbollah, Ba'ath Brigades, al-Abbas, Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq, Jayash al-Muwahhideen, Syrian Resistence, Arab Nationalist Guard, Popular Front For The Liberation of Palestine. With arms provided by: Russia, North Korea(possibly China)

As I have mentioned in posts here, Hezbollah, Dawa, Al-Sunnar to name a few show that it goes beyond a Koran or religion and into political factions, to sectarian. Then add on those who supply weapons as you stated. The media filters it and we come out with: Us versus Them, the end.

THE OPPOSITION(yeah, that's how fucking organized they are ) : Islamic Front, Free Syrian Army, Al-Nusra Front, Syrian Revolutionary Command Council, Jabhat Ansar al-Deen, Muhajirin wa-Ansar Alliance. With arms provided by: USA, France, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Libya

THE ISLAMIC STATE: ISIS/ISIL, Al Qaeda
Created with the help of those who speak English, not just Arabic

THE KURDS & INTELLECTUALS: Kurdistan, People's Protection Units, Liwa' Jabhat al-'Akrad, Peshmerga, and the Kurdistan Workers Party. Arms provided by: USA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, Bahrain, The UAE, and Morocco .


So things are certainly NOT as binary as wars have been in the past.

Agreed, if we had cordoned off Osama when he was in the Sudan we could have limited some of his followers movements. But I guess we weren't interventionists back then and now the sects have grown like legs on a centipede.

Also in regards to Ted and Tim, Tim McVeigh WAS big into religion and anti abortion and all that stuff and he DID convert to Roman Catholicism but the main crux of his beef with the United States government was what the FBI and ATF did at Waco as well as Ruby Ridge. Ted Kaczynski was somewhat of a Luddite to an extent. Not in that he was religious, but he just hated technology and went waaaaaay off the deep end with the whole save the Earth kind of thing.

Good class on the Ted & Tim.

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Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Originally Posted by AdamGB

There's a fundamental difference. Jews are an ethnic group, Islam is an ideology.

You can question and challenge ideology, how can and why would you do the same to a race?

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They Tanakh; would earn the radical Jew,or fundamentalist Jew name if they went out killing dudes all over the planet for political reasons though.
You are correct-
However, this Tanakh at one point was used to justify slavery along with Muslims, yet the writers of that day- simply wrote-- (jews were wrongfully expulled for practising their religion...without making known what practises constituted being kicked out of so many nation.--so when the time came to call Jews on it..the media of that day refused...I wonder who controlled the press of that day?

I quote:
History of the Jews in Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My point is- notice how history and now the media today is successful at calling Muslims who do foul shit..Muslims, yet history deletes any and all attrocities by Jews as anti-semitic.

Records of long-distance Jewish slave merchants date at least as far back as 492, when Pope Gelasius permitted Jews to import non-Christian slaves into Italy-- By the turn of the seventh century, Jews had become the chief slave traders in Italy, and were active in Gaelic territories--these for the slaves...that shit is called terrorism. But it was labeled as a business practice permitted by Jewish and Islamic law...

My point here: is the media has this thing where ANYTHING negative about Jews is called Anti-Semitic & anything negative about a Muslims..well hell thats just what Muslims do...

Yet History reveals those who practiced Judaism have been kicked out of many nations for practising slavery)

Thats what these other groups are doing and calling for, they themselves point to Islam as their source,they all made the claim,no us.

This is true.
As Floyd Mayweather makes the claim he is the TBE not us, Pssst. Say..bro.. Is that True? Floyd is the best ever...'cause he said so?
See that is my final point. To argue how the media allows the word Islam to be asscoiated with the assholes. Then we back it up & say...well they point to Islam. What Sura? MUslims have used the Koran to colonize what nations?

I see this as TOTALLY POLITICAL & the response to what Britain & America has done since the Balfour Declaration..show me a Muslim who conquered a people with Islam and I will point to Spain
in 711 AD when an African army, (Moors) or blackamoors under their leader Tariq ibn-Ziyad..Was this a fucked up period in the lives of the muslim conquered? Or a period of innovation?
Point: I dont hear anyone attributing the progress of Spain as Islamic.
History of Spain - The Moors

Didn't the Moors (Muslims) build splendid structures? their capital was Cordoba - thought to have been the most civilised city in Europe around the 10th century. Psst..where was the slavery? or the bombpackers? Or the muthas Hollerin Jihaad? Alla U akhbar...BOOM!!
Why has the media followed lock-step with historians who refused to tell us it may have been Muslims-The Moors in Spain..European territory that developed agriculture, irrigation-

If the media wanted to...they could report these clowns as Muslim wannabes? Right? They could call them what George Bush J said...the few who make Islam look bad, They (media) could compensate the Jihaddasts fools with what I just wrote...That Muslims have never enslaved a nation & when they traded slaves...it was Jewish merchants & ships that took them across the Slave Atlantic Trade- common white American were too poooorrrr to afford slaves in the South of America, yet that is not told by the media.

Mosques either preach jihad or they dont. These dudes who are going to Syria to join the cause and then attacking us in our own countries are coming out of the back rooms of Mosques.

We will have to agree to disagree here- Mosques IMO are like Churches; One church preached Baptist another Lutheran another Mormonism as Jesus came back and hung out In America, so, too with Islam. To blanket ALL mosques to me is following the media's agenda. Some mosques refuse to accept The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan as a Muslim -mostly Arabs- yet the white-skinned nation Turkey who has yet to be associated with terrorist...allowe Farrakhan to their country and treated him like a diplomat. You can google it youtube it. So this means each Mosque carries the agenda of the people in their region. And some mosques are being used as incubators for terror it is wrongand may Allah pay them just for it...but no sir not all mosques either preach it or don't..Hell some may sugges it

Yes, just like Klansmen came out of the front rooms of the churches & the head of the Klan is an ordained Minister?
And these Americans joining? How is that possibly different than Tim McVey the Oklahoma bomber who believed in Jesus..yet he wasnt called a radical christian..the media knew to call him a friigin UNI-Bomber

the media the media can say: These fools wanna be Mulsims, but they are radical orgnaizations who are killing for various reasons, then attributing to Islam.

It isnt any different. You asked how is it different, it isnt. Only thing is these western fruit cake christian extremists go after what suits their own sick bent.They go after the goverment over rights, other races over domination, Some go after children over their own sexual repression,and some go out singularly as serial killers and go out after prostitutes or gay sex workers as they think its justified from within their book and they are doing Gods work . Then theres the ones who murder doctors and receptionists over pro life issues. They are all Christian extremeists but we KNOW IT. No need to label them we fucking know.

It doesnt mean all within the religion are guilty which is the implication and a stupid one,that is not the point.

Even though they didnt target Muslims it doesnt make them any different either, I dont get any of the comparison attempts.

Aside from maybe the crusades and also our government actions for business against Muslim run countries over oil and those controls connected to Christian based governments,that is a valid point;but has nothing to do with going after the problem (Extremists) where they are being brain washed into action within our own societies).

In our country we have seen kids get taken into jihad class through 'a religion'. Not some fools who already fight for it and are wanna be Muslims, they are already are in each case and they go into it via the reverse to what you stated there.(Home grown terrorism Im talking about the threat on our own streets against our public).

(Brings up another question do we let them back into our countries once they have finished fighting for Isis or whoever they have gone overseas to fight for)?

There is an underground movement sweeping beneath a religion searching for young men to brain wash into Jihad and dirty political work under the guise of Gods work.
It isnt a question of is that true or is it false ?< If you wish.

Out here in Sydney and Melbourne we have had two Clerics Mullahs or whatever they are called who have done exactly that and been caught at it,we are talking about the largest Mosque in Melbourne its in Brunswick, they had them going out the back door, not sure about the Sydney one.

I dont know where they are working within your communities, but these extremists are not fishing for disciples in schools, street gangs or biker shops so you tell me where do we go to nip them in the bud?

Our law enforcement undercover or not and the Muslim community, need to find them where they are fishing and snap their rods and lock them away in re education.

Its like single case and organized pedophilia within the English and Roman church sections who ran homes for children out here, we eventually knew it was there and well organized and so we went after it.

No one tried pointing at other religions or reasons for and against or tried saying well its also in Goverment run childrens homes; does that make it right to mention only the Catholic Church in this case?

Im just saying it was there within the religion and people from within it and law enforcement from outside of it went for it,through the people effected.
No one said:hang on,what about those dudes in orange dresses at the airports with the necklaces you dont say it about them do you? They are fat men in dresses they have to be held accountable too. (There is the same mentality as broad scoping the whole of religion and saying you cant say that about just one religion.)

Truth is in there sort of, but you still have to look at the raw facts and wake the fuck up and go after them now,exactly where they are working and go hard after them; or they will go under ground and continue to grow elsewhere, just like the organized peds have done, they just got moved out to third world locations where you can buy your way in and out.

Now in those cases the finger points overseas instead of here at home and only a handful of very old pedophiles from here stayed and many got jailed. Now we are clearer in Australia except for some older cases but now the finger points into Mex, Peru some African spots beyond our jurisdiction. Same will occur in this case, then you can point outside your country, but still not outside the religions that harbor it and dont attempt to rout it out themselves from on high within.

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Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Originally Posted by AdamGB

There's a fundamental difference. Jews are an ethnic group, Islam is an ideology.

You can question and challenge ideology, how can and why would you do the same to a race?

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It isnt any different. You asked how is it different, it isnt.
I think...then we are in agreement on this.

Only thing is these western fruit cake christian extremists go after what suits their own sick bent.
(IMO-In America- events that are by Muslims labeled as Extremists-are taken to mean basically ALL Muslims. Where as in America any event done by an American in the name of Christianity-are labeled as an (individual)-that to me is hypocritical.

They go after the goverment over rights, other races over domination,
In America when this happens-the line is drawn vividly-99% of the time by philosophy--
Conservative vs Liberal case in point:
A dude named Bundy asserts " I don't recognize the United States government as even existing"
So he refuses the authority to regulate his grazing with fees even though Federal courts have consistently ruled against Bundy since 1993..
Follow me here- Those who agree with him? Are Christians whose political leanings are Conservative-so end result is the Bundy's of America are friggin' heros to the Right Winged America- Not radical.

The Right wing of the Republican Americans support his right to say up yours to the government. Its NOT RADICAL TO THEM---ITS an American standing up, feel me?


Some go after children over their own sexual repression,
In America, it is predominantly the Catholic church caught in child sex scandal with adults claiming it for decades- but when it happens -these religious leaders are simply moved to another parish & now the Catholic Church wants to file bankruptcy because of the hundreds of millions of dollars they given up to these cases- My Point:
The Church doesn't take the rap as a Pedophile Church or Pedophile religion. The individual does.

I wonder if Mosques were guilty of this, would we limit it to the Mosque leader? Or say it represents ALL MUSLIMS therefore we have to root these pedophiles out...Not send them to another mosque to fuck up more heads...

and some go out singularly as serial killers and go out after prostitutes or gay sex workers as they think its justified from within their book and they are doing Gods work . Then theres the ones who murder doctors and receptionists over pro life issues. They are all Christian extremeists but we KNOW IT. No need to label them we fucking know.
If there is no need to label a Christian an extremist- then there is no need to label a Muslim one.
Another example If Hitler believed in Christ & he did...his followers were written about by their name :Nazi's..not radical Christians. Same to me with Al Queada or ISIS, label them that-not radical (MUSLIMS) because people who don't have your objectivity Andre...blanket the whole religion.

It doesnt mean all within the religion are guilty which is the implication and a stupid one,that is not the point. -To an objective person such as yourself...what about the subjective minded?

Even though they didnt target Muslims it doesnt make them any different either, I dont get any of the comparison attempts.
I only meant to compare how Christians who commit crimes are seen as individuals, but Muslims it seems to be their way of life. Sorry I failed to explain it clearly.

Aside from maybe the crusades and also our government actions for business against Muslim run countries over oil and those controls connected to Christian based governments,that is a valid point;but has nothing to do with going after the problem (Extremists) where they are being brain washed into action within our own societies).

We disagree here. These governments set up military bases provoking the sick and evil ones looking for a fight. We can't stop evil people from brainwashing-but we can minimize their reasons by non-interventionists-which President Reagan's philosophy. Tony Blair, George Bush and Barrack Obama have done the opposite- they have fanned the flames.


In our country we have seen kids get taken into jihad class through 'a religion'. Not some fools who already fight for it and are wanna be Muslims, they are already are in each case and they go into it via the reverse to what you stated there.(Home grown terrorism Im talking about the threat on our own streets against our public).

In America, when a mosque was about to be built close to Ground Zero 9-11 a political fight broke out - we have Americans who feel Mosques shouldn't be built by certain monuments. Your nation seems more lax..So I understand your point here.

(Brings up another question do we let them back into our countries once they have finished fighting for Isis or whoever they have gone overseas to fight for)?
If you can catch a person leaving for a battle-ridden nation,,,hell they azz should have a one-way visa. OUT and not back in...that's just my opinion.

There is an underground movement sweeping beneath a religion searching for young men to brain wash into Jihad and dirty political work under the guise of Gods work.
It isnt a question of is that true or is it false ?< If you wish.
Not my point. I think here...you've taken my point out of context.

Out here in Sydney and Melbourne we have had two Clerics Mullahs or whatever they are called who have done exactly that and been caught at it,we are talking about the largest Mosque in Melbourne its in Brunswick, they had them going out the back door, not sure about the Sydney one.
(That's bad man, I feel for you bro..)

I dont know where they are working within your communities, but these extremists are not fishing for disciples in schools, street gangs or biker shops so you tell me where do we go to nip them in the bud?
Terrorism is an idea- how do you kill an idea? You can't. But we can limit the governments who pay a terrorist one year for their interests..then when these fools go major...now they cry terrorists.

Our law enforcement undercover or not and the Muslim community, need to find them where they are fishing and snap their rods and lock them away in re education.
I agree...so to, should we do that to the politicians who stoke the flames.

Its like single case and organized pedophilia within the English and Roman church sections who ran homes for children out here, we eventually knew it was there and well organized and so we went after it. As above...we didn't we just rotated them..

No one tried pointing at other religions or reasons for and against or tried saying well its also in Goverment run childrens homes; does that make it right to mention only the Catholic Church in this case?
If the church is doing it constantly at what point do we see its mostly a catholic thing, not a Jehovahs Witness thing or a Baptist...we go after it like you said...where there incubators for pedos are.

Im just saying it was there within the religion and people from within it and law enforcement from outside of it went for it,through the people effected.
No one said:hang on,what about those dudes in orange dresses at the airports with the necklaces you dont say it about them do you? They are fat men in dresses they have to be held accountable too. (There is the same mentality as broad scoping the whole of religion and saying you cant say that about just one religion.)

Truth is in there sort of, but you still have to look at the raw facts and wake the fuck up and go after them now,exactly where they are working and go hard after them; or they will go under ground and continue to grow elsewhere, just like the organized peds have done, they just got moved out to third world locations where you can buy your way in and out.

Now in those cases the finger points overseas instead of here at home and only a handful of very old pedophiles from here stayed and many got jailed. Now we are clearer in Australia except for some older cases but now the finger points into Mex, Peru some African spots beyond our jurisdiction. Same will occur in this case, then you can point outside your country, but still not outside the religions that harbor it and dont attempt to rout it out themselves from on high within.

Not sure of the last few paragraphs- or point- but know this..we agree some and disagree some here, but when it comes to boxin' We 100% in agreement.
OK close to Stivernne-Wilder time...Peace out my brother!!

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I don't think anybody is avoiding saying who is responsible for this.

The White House/Obama Administration seem to pussyfoot around the issue QUITE A BIT, but have it your way.

http://thedailybanter.com/2015/01/fo...radical-islam/

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Originally Posted by AdamGB

There's a fundamental difference. Jews are an ethnic group, Islam is an ideology.

You can question and challenge ideology, how can and why would you do the same to a race?

Interesting, I thought a Jew was a person who practices Judaism : or: יְהוּדָה
Or ...Yehudah pronounced Ya-hoodah or Lehodot literally meaning "to thank"
Yiddish then translate it as "yada" meaning to praise As in what a Jewish convert, practicing Jew does. As I've never heard of a practicing Chinese or practicing Mexican.

Does the word originate from a man named Judah? Son of Jacob. Meaning-- Jacob couldn't have been a Jew, for he had yet to skeet JUdah out his nut-sack into existence.

Before then? I thought they were Israelites, which comes from the name Jacob (a man) whose name is changed to Israel in Gen 32: he wrestles with an angel of the lord, got his ass whooped till daylight-his hip thrown out of the socket.
So Judah's daddy & daddy's daddy...Abraham (Abram) couldn't have been a Jew nor an Israelite
Abram is his name, right? Who is called the Father of the Hebrews.

Conclusion: Some say "Hebrew" is associated with Abram's grandpappy Eber-
A name applied to a foreigner (Genesis 39:14,17; 41:12, etc.), -Since Abram left his home of Ur & was told to go to Egypt, he would have been like a Mexican in America: An illegal immigrant.

The changing of his name to Abraham encases Cushite words or Ethiopian 4 word(s) Ab-ba-ra-ham
Ra is the God of Egypt & Ham is supposedly the first black man, "Ab" like "aborigines" or from the beginning and "Ba" a word meaning soul in Cushitic.. hence he is not called Ab-ba-Ya-Shem, for the God "Yah" whose chosen people from the descendant Shem...totally the opposite-Ab-ba-ra-ham.

Myself: I take it to come from the Hebrew word 'Abhar , "To pass over," a "sojourner" or "passer" into a foreign land which the Bible says Abram does- "settles in Egypt." aka (mizriam) who is a son of Ham, not Shem.

The Jewish faith I thought gets its origin from Abraham & the law through Moses --- the very laws Muslims adhere to from: no pork eating to choppin' mofo's heads off for the slightest of things.

And the people today, clearly call themselves names that doesn't denote Islam such as Hezbollah, Al Queada, ISIS, Dawa, Al-Sunnar. These people should be called that and not radical Islamists or extremist IMO...anymore than a Jew who wants to practice Tanakh (Old Testament) would then be called radical Jews. But this is just my opinion...

They Tanakh; would earn the radical Jew,or fundamentalist Jew name if they went out killing dudes all over the planet for political reasons though.

Thats what these other groups are doing and calling for, they themselves point to Islam as their source,they all made the claim,no us.

Mosques either preach jihad or they dont. These dudes who are going to Syria to join the cause and then attacking us in our own countries are coming out of the back rooms of Mosques.

All of this radicalim stems from Saudi Arabia and Gulf states like Qatar. Almost all Saudi money though. They fund the radical strain of Islam all over the world. They build mosques and schools all over the world provided they teach the virulent fundamentalist Saudi Wahabbi brand of Islam.

And then they fund all the jihadi nutjobs who want to take up arms and fight the infidels and any Muslims they think aren't Muslim enough. But because of the oil situation the west is trying to deal with radical Islam without trying to deal with or even mentioning the source of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Originally Posted by AdamGB

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All of this radicalim stems from Saudi Arabia and Gulf states like Qatar. Almost all Saudi money though. They fund the radical strain of Islam all over the world. They build mosques and schools all over the world provided they teach the virulent fundamentalist Saudi Wahabbi brand of Islam.

And then they fund all the jihadi nutjobs who want to take up arms and fight the infidels and any Muslims they think aren't Muslim enough. But because of the oil situation the west is trying to deal with radical Islam without trying to deal with or even mentioning the source of the problem.

Well said.

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Fox News and NPR Wonder Why Obama Won't Say 'Radical Islam' After He Said 'Radical Islam' | The Daily Banter

Politically Correct HOGWASH! Did you listen to that or just post it? If you DID listen you no doubt heard all the qualifiers and how he hemmed and hawed around saying "Yes, Islamic Extremism IS THE PROBLEM".....oh it's one of many forms of violent extremism you say? Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus....they are ALLLL doing the suicide bombing and cracking down on free speech right?

You kowtow to the pc Nazis all you like I'll have none of it