Thread: Manny v Floyd is "Bullshit" and not gonna happen says Ariza (Video)

Originally Posted by jahmez

There is nothing racist about the word cooning - go look it up. It's exactly what Floyd does - he's a pathetic cartoon character version of all the great past American fighters who plays on modern day stereotypes to sell more tickets to his snooze fests.

Loser

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

I've watched that 3 times, damn interesting stuff.

What about the contract with the Venetian? Would Bob have to reimburse the Venetian if he brought Manny to MGM? Let's see if he shows the contract Manny supposedly signed like Shaeffer did. How can he sign a contract if negotiating is still happening?What about the non-disclosure? He tears the lies apart over and over.

People behind the scenes at both HBO and Showtime are saying Bob is in the way, history says Bob is in the way. Even Mannys manager says Bob is in the way. Produce the damn contract, that's easy enough.

I haven't been following this stuff very close so I could have missed a headline hear and there, but I never saw one that said Pacquiao signed a contract with the Venetian. I saw one that said Pacquiao signed a two year extension deal woth $75 million and another one that top rank signed a deal for Zou and the Murata from Japan but nothing that would indicate a deal with a Venue for certain fighters. When you thing about it, it make no sence for a promotional company to sign a contract with a venue to have exclusive site rights to a fighter. I doubt if it is true, that Top Rank has a contract with the Venetian in Macu, it would be exclusive to Pacquiao fights.

Taking a look a the video, a lot of stuff that Ariza says just does'nt make much sence. From what I could gather, it sounded like Ariza is saying there was no contract for Pacquiao to sign and it's all BS.

I said I'll believe there is a fight when the venue is set and it's offical. So far I've been seeing that the venue is set, Mayweater confirms they are in negeoiations. Then as part of the rumor mill and appearances Pacquiao has signed on to Mayweather demands and is just waiting for Mayweather to confirm. Other than that, I've just seen the rumor mill anfer rumor mill. One speculation is Mayweater is waiting for the Superbowl to announce the fight.

Originally Posted by jahmez

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

I notice you didn't address anything he said though. What about what he said?

Didn't even bother watching it because he's just a softcock like you

Haha! You Pactards really are so stupid.

Not as dumb as you cunts who subject yourself to watching a boring ass cooning "fighter" stink out a joint for 12 rounds.

Strange how we all have our different opinions of favourite fighters and slag them off to each other in a banter type way, but only a complete cock like "jahmez" would use racist terms like cooning to get his point across!

What an arsehole.

Lol gImp crawls out of his box to rescue the day. Only a complete cock mongofloyd like yourself starts sending hexes via private message when someone iinsults your little man god. Chill out Ellerbe

What on earth are you talking about you pathetic liar!

You were the one who pm many years ago about an old thread!

Like I said before, my respect for floyd stays in the boxing ring and nothing else..stop trying to change the subject.

Your a pathetic little keyboard warrior.

Good day to you sir!

I didn't buy either guy's PPV last time around and I doubt I do it this time, especially if Floyd fights Cotto again and Pacquiao fights Vargas. Shame on them.

I really really want to see this fight happen, probably still more than any other fight in boxing and I still maintain as I did when it was very first even mentioned that Floyd would win. Last week I was actually quite confident it was about to finally come off and then Floyd posted this video of Ariza on his facebook saying something like "Thanks for clearing my name Alex Ariza" and then I realised this fight is probably never going to happen!! All I can say is that it's an absolute shame for Boxing!

I wish these two would just go away but the field is narrowing down to just Floyd. Arum has already said they are looking at Khan now. Cotto is now waiting on Floyd. Floyd is going to Australia for dinner unless he gets turned back with Mundine waiting in the lobby to lobby.


The puppeteer claims are getting a little long in the tooth by Floyd. Saber-tooth tiger long. The world must be the puppet master cause even Obama has called for the fight. And Ariza's account of anything is about as credible as Homers account of the Trojan horse. And his honesty equal to that of Judas Iscariot. I assume everyone has seen his latest video input.

"Hopefully its Mayweather-Pacquiao [on May 2nd]. Of course we are trying to make the fight happen between me and Pacquiao. Are we negotiating? Absolutely we are negotiating. But Pacquiao said that he agreed to everything. What did you agree to? You have no say so. You have a boss. You don't have no say so. You have a boss.....that's called Top Rank Promotions. It's not called Pacquiao Promotions. With my company, it's called Mayweather Promotions,"

Its really tough to stay out of this freak show. I never thought I'd agree to the ducking claims and spent what feels like a lifetime defending this guy concerning this fight but he just does not want it. Nothing makes it more clear then the statement above.

"We have been going back and forth, communicating with their team. Hopefully we can make this fight happen. Once again, we have to look at his pay-per-view numbers. His last fight didn't even do 300,000 homes. Figures make sense. He did get knocked out not too long ago. No matter what you say, Floyd Mayweather still winning. When they take shots at Floyd Mayweather, he still winning and making hundreds of millions.

I wonder if historians are noting quotes. How many ways can a man back out of the same fight. Really ppv's are now a reason when he just fought Maidana twice? Is Manny going to hurt the draw or something lol

"We're going to make it happen though. We're trying, but it's been extremely difficult dealing with Top Rank. And I don't want to sit here and point the finger at Pacquiao and say 'it's him.' It's not Pacquiao, it's his promoter. A lot of times when Pacquiao says 'I agreed' - you don't have nothing to do with this, you're not a boss. On a chess board you're a pawn."

It really is pathetic. He should just say “I don’t want to fight him”

What is a word for brainwashed on steroids. That’s what a person would have to be to buy this shit any longer.

I wont even respond to a response. Its that used up and I'm spent on this pseudo super fight. @Andre @Master ban me for a period if I ever reply to another thread involving these two unless the fight is signed. Including this one.

Dont know what you are talking about.
Oh is the play the fans back on?
They'll do a broadway show on this one day: A play about how the public were taken for a long pay as you go ride.
I wont even buy it in if it ever happens, i'll watch a replay, I havent paid for a Floyd fight in years.

Some people get so involved with the bullshit plot that they forget to step back and see the big picture. Floyd is the only one who benefits from this. He is a true student of the game and he knows that time hurts Manny more than it hurts him. He will fight Manny but it will be his 50th and final fight, for the records on paper and after his Showtime contract expires. Problem is that I think Manny knows this and doesn't plan to be around that long and that is why he is pushing for the fight right now.

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Originally Posted by jahmez

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

I notice you didn't address anything he said though. What about what he said?

Didn't even bother watching it because he's just a softcock like you

Haha! You Pactards really are so stupid.

Not as dumb as you cunts who subject yourself to watching a boring ass cooning "fighter" stink out a joint for 12 rounds.

Strange how we all have our different opinions of favourite fighters and slag them off to each other in a banter type way, but only a complete cock like "jahmez" would use racist terms like cooning to get his point across!

What an arsehole.

Lol gImp crawls out of his box to rescue the day. Only a complete cock mongofloyd like yourself starts sending hexes via private message when someone iinsults your little man god. Chill out Ellerbe

What on earth are you talking about you pathetic liar!

You were the one who pm many years ago about an old thread!

Like I said before, my respect for floyd stays in the boxing ring and nothing else..stop trying to change the subject.

Your a pathetic little keyboard warrior.

Good day to you sir!

Seriously give Imp a break, the guy doesn't hurl about insults, is respectful and doesn't deserve to be hounded like this. I don't have anytime for Mayweather's out of the ring nonsense, and think he clearly doesn't want the fight, but there is little point blaming his fans.

Imp threw hexes towards me via private msg so I'm just giving him a bit of shit but he's a big witch, he'll be alright.

The point I'm making was made by Ariza too. And Espinoza says the same in the link I will provide. If negotiations are happening you can't sign a contract. And you can't sign a contract "in principle" as Koncz claims. Mannys own manager says Bob is in the way. Bob claims HBO and Showtime have agreed which is essential and HBO and Showtime say they haven't! Who is the known liar?

http://fighthype.com/news/article19141.html

Espinoza, like me says "what contract" nothing is drawn up because it's preposterous. You can't sign a contract and continue negotiations. It's the same tired rouse. And what if the deadline comes before HBO and Showtime agree? Floyd must agree to the fight before the fight is even possible? If you flipped this scenario people would be shouting from the rooftops how obvious it is Floyd was ducking. Understand this, everyone but the known liars agree that there is no contract! But yet they've signed, and they're negotiating haha. It's so f'n stupid that I don't believe one person no matter how much they hate Floyd is naive enough to believe it. It's impossible

It sounds to me that Manny has just made Floyd a formal offer and is waiting for it to be accepted. It is not a contract yet because it has obviously not yet been accepted. The negotiations are ongoing until an offer is accepted and a contract signed and made legally binding.

Originally Posted by jahmez

It sounds to me that Manny has just made Floyd a formal offer and is waiting for it to be accepted. It is not a contract yet because it has obviously not yet been accepted. The negotiations are ongoing until an offer is accepted and a contract signed and made legally binding.

So it even sounds to you like they are lying. So they will lie about this and lie about that but overall you think they are telling the truth? Do you hear that and how preposterous it sounds?

Arum says they are done and the contract is signed. Every other person involved except Manny and Koncz says they are negotiating. Who's lying. Everyone else or Bob "I was lying to you yesterday but telling the truth today Arum?

Bob says HBO and Showtime have agreed. HBO and Showtime say they are negotiating. Who's lying, Bob, or HBO and Showtime? Keep in mind they aren't just saying it to keep the peace. Kirkland and Canelo have reached an agreement but they are waiting to finalize the date "because of ongoing negotiations between HBO and Showtime to make Mayweather/Pacquiao". I think you know on this Bob is lying. If he's lying about some things why should we believe him about others? Especially when everyone else involved says they are lying.

I hope you are right, I hope Manny has signed the contract everyone else agrees doesn't exist. Then at least we will have some resolution to this calamity one way or another. But to know Bob is lying about some things doesn't give me hope that he is telling the truth about the sum.

I don't know why people get so hot under the collar about this anymore. If it happens cool, if it doesn't cool too. There are a lot of fighters out there and Manny and Floyd do not make the sport. Floyd in particular can just piss off for all I care. He is a cherry picker and tedious to watch anyway. Let him fight scraps like Mundine for safe money. It's only the loss of anyone who pays to see it.

Shock and awe Ron, a lawyer turned boxing promoter is not telling the truth!?
You're obviously a pretty sharp bloke Ronnie boy but sometimes you focus so much on the apparent font that you miss the plot entirely. Do you honestly think Manny is going to release a statement lecturing the public on the concepts of offer & acceptance, consideration blah blah blah or just keep things nice and digestible by saying "I have signed my part of the contract, now it's up to Floyd". Remember the idea of a contract existing before an offer has even been accepted may sound ludicrous to yourself but the majority of the public are completly ignorant on the subject so of course Manny (or the omnipresent lonesome Bob i.e. the shooter on the grassy knole, the suicidal pilot on Malaysian Airlilnes flight MH370 and, most infamously, the man solely responsible for myself running out of toilet paper the other day at work!) or whoever else from the ever powerful yet eternally elusive Illuminati will cater to that.


You've been a very good boy young Master Swanson and done your homework but until you get your eager little hands on actual source documents everything you or any other of us lowly fans present is mere hearsay. In a situation like this perhaps it is best to take a dispassionate and objective step back and form an opinion on who you think benefits the most from the present circumstances. When I do that I just can't see Bob winning here old sport. If he supposedly steers Manny away from Floyd then how many other fights does the Pacman really have left? Two or three at the most?


What bottom line do you think is more attractive to Bob?:


1) Fight Floyd and, win or lose, hit the biggest jackpot of his career notwithstanding any possible rematch clauses. Again, win or lose and still reap the rewards of the next two or three possible different matchups in Macau, Abu Dhabi and/or Wembley (in no particular order) or,


2) Not fight Floyd and take the two or three more said fights in which will most probably still only generate a fraction of what could be produced from the fight of the century (assuming that Manny doesn't get hit with the same right hand bombs that Marquez and even Bradley conjured up and return to Napville (god forbid in the first fight scheduled after ducking Floyd))


You don't have to work out the present value of future cash flows to make a guess about what Mr Arum is thinking, you just need to not lose sight of the big picture.