Thread: GGG vs. Quillen!

There will not be a Ward fight... there may not even be a Froch fights... might never be a Chavez Jr. fight... but there certainly is a Peter Quillen fight. And at the very least, an Ande Lee showdown.

Vanes Matriyosan... Boo-Boo Andrade... just to name a few...

GGG does not have to chase Ward to be great. He is an elite fighter. He needs to just keep on beating the other best out there and let Ward come to him, and unless Ward fights, Ward may be needing GGG more than GGG needs Ward.

Greatness is decided by who you fight. Chavez does nothing for GGG but make him money. Froch is half retired. Don't get it confused GGG has never beat anyone as good as prime Kessler, prime Froch or prime Dawson. And he doesn't have anyone in his division that is as good in his division(I put in the qualifier because Cotto is as good but not as good at Middleweight). So GGG will always need Ward if he wants to prove greatness. If he wants to be famous and make money he can keep KOing inferior fighters. But to be great he has to fight a great.

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Greatness is decided by who you fight. Chavez does nothing for GGG but make him money. Froch is half retired. Don't get it confused GGG has never beat anyone as good as prime Kessler, prime Froch or prime Dawson. And he doesn't have anyone in his division that is as good in his division(I put in the qualifier because Cotto is as good but not as good at Middleweight). So GGG will always need Ward if he wants to prove greatness. If he wants to be famous and make money he can keep KOing inferior fighters. But to be great he has to fight a great.

No he does not at this time. Like Holmes, just cleaning stuff up is good enough for me. He does not need a Ward fight if folks had their heart set on it. He just does not.

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Greatness is decided by who you fight. Chavez does nothing for GGG but make him money. Froch is half retired. Don't get it confused GGG has never beat anyone as good as prime Kessler, prime Froch or prime Dawson. And he doesn't have anyone in his division that is as good in his division(I put in the qualifier because Cotto is as good but not as good at Middleweight). So GGG will always need Ward if he wants to prove greatness. If he wants to be famous and make money he can keep KOing inferior fighters. But to be great he has to fight a great.

No he does not at this time. Like Holmes, just cleaning stuff up is good enough for me. He does not need a Ward fight if folks had their heart set on it. He just does not.

Then he won't be a great. It's really that simple.

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Greatness is decided by who you fight. Chavez does nothing for GGG but make him money. Froch is half retired. Don't get it confused GGG has never beat anyone as good as prime Kessler, prime Froch or prime Dawson. And he doesn't have anyone in his division that is as good in his division(I put in the qualifier because Cotto is as good but not as good at Middleweight). So GGG will always need Ward if he wants to prove greatness. If he wants to be famous and make money he can keep KOing inferior fighters. But to be great he has to fight a great.

No he does not at this time. Like Holmes, just cleaning stuff up is good enough for me. He does not need a Ward fight if folks had their heart set on it. He just does not.

Then he won't be a great. It's really that simple.

Sad for you, is that he probably is closer to being great than not! The Ward mystique is done.

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Greatness is decided by who you fight. Chavez does nothing for GGG but make him money. Froch is half retired. Don't get it confused GGG has never beat anyone as good as prime Kessler, prime Froch or prime Dawson. And he doesn't have anyone in his division that is as good in his division(I put in the qualifier because Cotto is as good but not as good at Middleweight). So GGG will always need Ward if he wants to prove greatness. If he wants to be famous and make money he can keep KOing inferior fighters. But to be great he has to fight a great.

No he does not at this time. Like Holmes, just cleaning stuff up is good enough for me. He does not need a Ward fight if folks had their heart set on it. He just does not.

Then he won't be a great. It's really that simple.

Sad for you, is that he probably is closer to being great than not! The Ward mystique is done.

It's not sad for me. I called him the best middleweight in the world before he was a champion. His dominance of this sad division proves me right.

What's sad for me is I'm utterly bored with watching him beat up people that aren't on his level.

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

There will not be a Ward fight... there may not even be a Froch fights... might never be a Chavez Jr. fight... but there certainly is a Peter Quillen fight. And at the very least, an Ande Lee showdown.

Vanes Matriyosan... Boo-Boo Andrade... just to name a few...

GGG does not have to chase Ward to be great. He is an elite fighter. He needs to just keep on beating the other best out there and let Ward come to him, and unless Ward fights, Ward may be needing GGG more than GGG needs Ward.

GGG is a great fighter, no doubt in my mind. I would like to see him completely clean out the division and think that with the excitement he brings and his fan friendly style he will be considered one of the greats without Ward. That being said, GGG needs to stay away from Ward. Ward has the perfect combination of speed, boxing ability, defense and just enough power to frustrate GGG with movement and break him down over 12 rounds. Prime Hop would have eaten him alive also.

Clean out the division, clean out the division, clean out the division. Someone stop this record, it's been scratched for a long time. You all realize he has been a champion for 4 years right?!

Fight a fighter on your level.

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Clean out the division, clean out the division, clean out the division. Someone stop this record, it's been scratched for a long time. You all realize he has been a champion for 4 years right?!

Fight a fighter on your level.

No one wants to fight. Murray reluctantly took the fight, apparently. No one aside from Ward wants the fight. But he doesn't need Ward now, because it is a wrap- he is on his way to stardom without him and in fact is already there.

Think no one say Mayweather made the announcement of the Pac fight on the eve of the GGG fight, huh?? Stealing thunder much... lolol

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

There will not be a Ward fight... there may not even be a Froch fights... might never be a Chavez Jr. fight... but there certainly is a Peter Quillen fight. And at the very least, an Ande Lee showdown.

Vanes Matriyosan... Boo-Boo Andrade... just to name a few...

GGG does not have to chase Ward to be great. He is an elite fighter. He needs to just keep on beating the other best out there and let Ward come to him, and unless Ward fights, Ward may be needing GGG more than GGG needs Ward.

Rubbish.

Let's forget that ward exists and steer GGG away from him and keep hyping him up like matthysse before he got outboxed like garcia.

The fact that anyone can simply ignore andre wards achievements in his young career and keep writing him off is crazy!

Andre ward is still the best fighter in the world after floyd mayweather and rather than GGG getting pressured to pick on the smaller guys he should be reaching for the top dog in the middleweight divison and that still is the inactive andre ward.

We don't want GGG vs cotto or GGG vs canelo (oscar would never allow that) we want GGG to start openly making up some noise and calling out ward for a super fight!

(At least kovalev wants to fight the best)

This is the best time to beat ward and you don't want to miss it before he starts getting active again.

Quillin avoids anyone his manager tells him to and GGG would be on top of that list.

GGG is where Sergio Martinez was a few years ago. Untouchable.

[QUOTE=Ron Swanson;1304958]

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Greatness is decided by who you fight. Chavez does nothing for GGG but make him money. Froch is half retired. Don't get it confused GGG has never beat anyone as good as prime Kessler, prime Froch or prime Dawson. And he doesn't have anyone in his division that is as good in his division(I put in the qualifier because Cotto is as good but not as good at Middleweight). So GGG will always need Ward if he wants to prove greatness. If he wants to be famous and make money he can keep KOing inferior fighters. But to be great he has to fight a great.

No he does not at this time. Like Holmes, just cleaning stuff up is good enough for me. He does not need a Ward fight if folks had their heart set on it. He just does not.

Then he won't be a great. It's really that simple.[/QUOTE]


Let me define the word simple as is quoted in the Oxford dictionary .

Simple - Ron Swanson.

Originally Posted by imp

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

There will not be a Ward fight... there may not even be a Froch fights... might never be a Chavez Jr. fight... but there certainly is a Peter Quillen fight. And at the very least, an Ande Lee showdown.

Vanes Matriyosan... Boo-Boo Andrade... just to name a few...

GGG does not have to chase Ward to be great. He is an elite fighter. He needs to just keep on beating the other best out there and let Ward come to him, and unless Ward fights, Ward may be needing GGG more than GGG needs Ward.

Rubbish.

Let's forget that ward exists and steer GGG away from him and keep hyping him up like matthysse before he got outboxed like garcia.

The fact that anyone can simply ignore andre wards achievements in his young career and keep writing him off is crazy!

Andre ward is still the best fighter in the world after floyd mayweather and rather than GGG getting pressured to pick on the smaller guys he should be reaching for the top dog in the middleweight divison and that still is the inactive andre ward.

We don't want GGG vs cotto or GGG vs canelo (oscar would never allow that) we want GGG to start openly making up some noise and calling out ward for a super fight!

(At least kovalev wants to fight the best)

This is the best time to beat ward and you don't want to miss it before he starts getting active again.

I'm not saying that Ward is not good or we should gloss over his achievements, but my main argument is that GGG does not need him to be a great elite fighter. He just does not. He will prove it over time and he is proving it right now.

Originally Posted by Master

Quillin avoids anyone his manager tells him to and GGG would be on top of that list.

GGG is where Sergio Martinez was a few years ago. Untouchable.

Sad that we won't see that Quillin/GGG fight any time soon. It should be in discussion.

Originally Posted by imp

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

There will not be a Ward fight... there may not even be a Froch fights... might never be a Chavez Jr. fight... but there certainly is a Peter Quillen fight. And at the very least, an Ande Lee showdown.

Vanes Matriyosan... Boo-Boo Andrade... just to name a few...

GGG does not have to chase Ward to be great. He is an elite fighter. He needs to just keep on beating the other best out there and let Ward come to him, and unless Ward fights, Ward may be needing GGG more than GGG needs Ward.

Rubbish.

Let's forget that ward exists and steer GGG away from him and keep hyping him up like matthysse before he got outboxed like garcia.

The fact that anyone can simply ignore andre wards achievements in his young career and keep writing him off is crazy!

Andre ward is still the best fighter in the world after floyd mayweather and rather than GGG getting pressured to pick on the smaller guys he should be reaching for the top dog in the middleweight divison and that still is the inactive andre ward.

We don't want GGG vs cotto or GGG vs canelo (oscar would never allow that) we want GGG to start openly making up some noise and calling out ward for a super fight!

(At least kovalev wants to fight the best)

This is the best time to beat ward and you don't want to miss it before he starts getting active again.

I'm confused by how you can say that Kov is willing to fight the best but GGG isn't. Kov is in the midst of cleaning his division out and never calls Ward out or seems to want to fight him. GGG is in the midst of cleaning his division out and never calls Ward out or seems to want to fight him. Both guys r focusing on their divisions now and destroying the best available guys in those divisions willing to fight them.