Thread: Did boxing politics screw Larry Holmes...

Screw him out of the Marciano record? I think so...

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Screw him out of the Marciano record? I think so...

Yes, absolutely.

Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Screw him out of the Marciano record? I think so...

Yes, absolutely.

Explain it to me, please! Seriously!

Nah, both of those fights were way to close to complain about the decisions imo, and the cards didn't suggest anything different.

Holmes apparently had an injury in the first fight, and it looked like he fought scared for large parts of it, he wasn't throwing the right enough to keep Spinks off of him. The rematch he started and finished strong and looked the champion, but the fact is he didn't fight much for the entire middle of the fight and probably let Spinks take a good 6-7 rounds easily, clearly a very close fight.

Also worth noting that Holmes easily could have lost the Witherspoon and Carl Williams fights not long before he met Spinks, it's not as if he couldn't get a break.

yeah it's really tough to score the witherspoon fight for holmes I have watch that fight several times and each time I either have a draw or 1 .point for tim.

I love Larry but like mentioned those fights were way too close to complain about a decision. I had Holmes by a round I think but obviously you can see it either way.

Holmes should have took a softer opponent to break the record and then fought Spinks.

Originally Posted by p4pking

Nah, both of those fights were way to close to complain about the decisions imo, and the cards didn't suggest anything different.

Holmes apparently had an injury in the first fight, and it looked like he fought scared for large parts of it, he wasn't throwing the right enough to keep Spinks off of him. The rematch he started and finished strong and looked the champion, but the fact is he didn't fight much for the entire middle of the fight and probably let Spinks take a good 6-7 rounds easily, clearly a very close fight.

Also worth noting that Holmes easily could have lost the Witherspoon and Carl Williams fights not long before he met Spinks, it's not as if he couldn't get a break.

Initially I agree, but you kinda balanced it out. It was a close fight.

Holmes probably thought Spinks was an easy fight. I have not seen either fight and am told the 2nd was a robbery.

So Holmes was probably not screwed by politics and his comment on Marciano or him retiring but just him not getting the decision on a closely contested fight.

They were good fights.

A case could be made that since they were close fights that the champion should have retained his title. But also true, Larry robbed Witherspoon similarly.

Larry did take Spinks as an easy victory. But "fighting scared" against a 200lb former light HW is ridiculous LOL

Originally Posted by Max Power

They were good fights.

A case could be made that since they were close fights that the champion should have retained his title. But also true, Larry robbed Witherspoon similarly.

Larry did take Spinks as an easy victory. But "fighting scared" against a 200lb former light HW is ridiculous LOL

Larry did not rob Witherspoon, if anyone did it was the judges, big difference.

Larry Holmes was already old a step slow when he fought Spinks. in the middle rounds he could not pull the trigger the same way he used to pull it. Plus Spinks was one slick wiley outstanding boxer

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Larry Holmes was already old a step slow when he fought Spinks. in the middle rounds he could not pull the trigger the same way he used to pull it. Plus Spinks was one slick wiley outstanding boxer

Yeah Spinks was skilled no doubt but so was Holmes and he was a real HW. He should never have lost to Spinks.

Tyson showed Spinks that he had no business in the HW division.

Don't tell me Holmes was old or slow against Spinks, earlier versions of Holmes were inexperienced and barely 200lbs himself! There's every reason to believe that guy would have had a hard time with Spinks also.

Holmes simply did not have the punching power to put the cruiser away.

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by Max Power

They were good fights.

A case could be made that since they were close fights that the champion should have retained his title. But also true, Larry robbed Witherspoon similarly.

Larry did take Spinks as an easy victory. But "fighting scared" against a 200lb former light HW is ridiculous LOL

Larry did not rob Witherspoon, if anyone did it was the judges, big difference.

Yeah well I kind of meant that.

listen up it was like Joe Louis vs Billy Conn all over again the only difference was that Joe Lewis had knockout power that Larry Holmes did not

I have to completely disagree with that. I also am wondering if you are just trolling on that Joe Lewis comment. You must be joking bro. You think Joe Lewis who had dynamite in both hands did not punch as hard as Larry Holmes that is bizarre bro beyond bizarre