Thread: Mayweather can negate Pacquiao's Flurry

Here are my posers to those who root for Pacquiao to win in his May 2 biggest fight of the Century against Mayweather:

*How can Manny impose his hand speeds and left power punch when Floyd would not mix-up with him but instead backtrack every time he unleashes his power punch or haymaker?
*How can he solve the puzzles when every time he lowers his right or left guards, Floyd sneak an unexpected flushed punch where the Filipino least expected it – call it radar guided accurate smart bombs from the Stealth bomber F-35?
*How can Manny avoid an opponent who seldom uses jabs but looping power punch that landed behind his ears despite Pacquiao burying his face in his gloves just like what happened to Miguel Cotto and Canelo “Saul” Alvarez?
*How can Manny solve the puzzle despite turtle shelling his face , the American hits him by his 5 inches advantage right straight or left hook on his bread basket when he least expected just like what happened to the brawlers Ricky Hatton and Maidana ?
*How can Pacquiao drag, trap and maul Mayweather on the rope when the latter clenches him or shoulder roll or weave and bobble and unleashed those short hard hooks inside?
*How can he dominate a stealth in Mayweather when he could not only weave and bobble beautifully but can emulate a Pernell “Sweet Pea” Whitaker by retreating in inclined position as he evades the right and left hooks of his opponent ? He did it beautifully at Maidana -2 and Juan Marquez's fights. Oh Sweet Science, how could I not stop lovin' you?
*How can Pacquiao counter punch Mayweather on his trespasses when the latter slip, run, and hatch another trick on his pocket to fire those vicious punches on his right and left faces or on his belly?
*How can this wannabe Filipino boxing writer seems to side with the showboating, bragging, and crowing African American without courting treason, sedition, sowing intrigue, whatchamacallit cases from his government before the May 2nd mega feast where the lowest ticket according to Pretty Boy Floyd cost not U.S $ 1,500 but $ 8,000 (360 Philippine peso) according to his CNN interview’s lately?
That’s why my dear Procopio, I am still soul searching how could I convinced myself betting on the future Filipino Senator, notorious for his absences at the August Chamber of the House of Representatives as congressman, when he struggled with the clockwise foot works of counter punching artist Juan Manual Marquez who avoided Manny’s left power punch and counter it with his (Marquez) staggering left or right punch every time the 8th Division Filipino Champ lower or withdraw his hands to reset.
Does Mayweather three times better as counter puncher and tactician than Marquez, who knocked out the careless Pacquiao cold in their 4th rematch? Hurry Procopio, please give me an answer before I start betting my hard earned savings to that brash swell head Rolls Royce riding American!
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Manny Pacquiao's coach Freddie Roach said he knew how to expose the ring savvy of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. come the May 2 mega fight.
“I learned how he works a little bit, so it’s helping out with my strategy with Pacquiao quite a bit,” he said at Wild Card Gym in California.
Roach was in the corner of then Pay Per View’s King the dashing Oscar dela Hoya when he tangled in May 2007 with the then ambitious and smaller but loquacious Mayweather Jr.
He explained that when his ward dela Hoya fought Mayweather they won the first six rounds but lost to Mayweather the last six rounds.
Roach explained that split decision fight that went to Mayweather happened because Oscar stopped using his left incessant jabs and contented himself roughing out Floyd at the ropes.
Yes Virginia, that roughing and smothering strategies started from Luis Castillo in their (Mayweather) first fight in April 2002), imitated by Miguel Cotto, Victor Ortiz (with his two hands and head), and Marcus Maidana (in his first fight because their rematch, just like with Castillo, were lopsided in favor of Floyd who stick, slipped, ran, and accurately counter punched.
"He sets traps and if you walk into the trap you'll get hit," Mayweather is a master counter puncher and it's clear that a focus of the camp which is extremely private compared to the past ¬ is to not give him certain openings,"Roach cited.
He explained that Pacquiao will identify when Mayweather sets the trap so the Filipino Superman - except Superman's handsome face - "won't fall for it" and his face, in my impression, would not be a paper target with the accurate looping left jabs and accurate counter punching of the American.
Many experts in this hurt business said the Mayweather-dela Hoya's tiff was a blue print how to defeat Floyd. They said Oscar should have won that fight.
But here's the rub!

Mayweather was the smaller guy, dela Hoya was the bigger one

When Mayweather challenged dela Hoya, the Golden Boy and then PPV king asked an onerous contract with the former.
Oscar gets 80% of the revenues, Floyd gets the measly 20%. Floyd agreed. Oscar wants to fight Floyd at Junior Middleweight (154 pounds) even Floyd had just fought Carlos Baldomir ( November 2006), Zab Judah (April 2006), and Shamba Mitchell (June 2005) at Welterweight or 147 lbs. Before Mitchelle, Floyd was fighting at 140 lbs or Lightweight.

Mayweather agreed even thought Oscar fought two years earlier Bernard Hopkins at 160 lbs.
They fought, by the way, with 10- ounce gloves not the 8- ounce Welterweight pugs wear.
Even how closed was that fight (that I scored in favor of the weaving, bobbling, shoulder rolling, snapping counter punching Mayweather), I still gave the credit to Floyd.


Son of a gun, he was the smaller guy there challenging the PPV king whose left jab can be converted to a power punch that knocked out the kinds of Arturo Gatti, Ricardo Mayorga, and Fernando Vargas.
The biggest fight (not necessarily the greatest fight because that would be an affront to Sugar Ray Leonard-Roberto Duran or Thomas Hearns 1 and 2, and Muhammad Ali-Joe Frazier Thrilla in Manila) in May would not be an improve version of Oscar dela Hoya just because Roach was the chief second of the Filipino. Manny Pacquiao in this fight was the smaller man pitted to a bigger boxing virtuoso who has all the guile in his sleeves.
Besides, this tussle was under the watch of the US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) random drug testing because Floyd wants it since he was practicing it and promoting a clean sport of boxing.

The Mayweather Fight is the 3rd Random Anti Doping Test for Pacquiao

In case the huge $400 million tussle, the biggest since the Hurt Business was invented, pushes through more than a month from now, these would be the third anti-doping test for Pacquiao. His first in November 2013 was when he was pitied to a walking punching bag named Brando Rios, where Roach crowed, his usual ho-hum bravado, to all and sundry that Manny smokes him out at Round 4. In that fight Manny threw all his bombs including the proverbial kitchen sink and even the antic aparador (wooden cabinet) of his mother Dionesia that was loaded with jewelleries, bling-bling, and P1 million Hermes’ bag and other bags to the unperturbed and still attacking Rios. His second random dope test was in April 2014 where he looked sluggish in chasing and punching an inferior version of a hitting and running Mayweather named Tim "the Energizer Bunny" Bradley. In short, Pacquiao could not knock out or even knocked down the duo.
His last fight in November 2014 was with Chris Algieri who was rocked by several of his flushed punches and was knocked down six times. In that fight, Manny did not submit himself for a random drug testing from either VADA or USADA or even to those administered to LAMBADA dancers in some ghettos in California.
HERE'S MY PUSHER, er, POSER: Had the random testing played a role on the marginalization of Manny Pacquiao once feared power punches on his Rios and Bradley matches? What will happen in case he faces Mayweather who was used to fight with random drug test while Pacquiao will be fighting with only three random drug tests on his sleeves?
This is a fight, anyway, we called in politics or economics as ceterus paribus (other things being equal) where both clash without any suspicion one had injected or digested any PEDS in their body. Exciting, isn't it?
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Pac clearly hits hard but he has only really knocked out a silly Hatton at the higher weights. Fighters have adapted to what Manny can bring so instead of getting stopped they survive.

Im on a phone so cannot counter your arguments right now, but Manny has speed and angles Mayweather hasnt faced since Judah. Judah won 3 of 4. Unlike Judah Manny is a great fighter. He sustains and maintains throughout the fight. I really dont think Mayweather has the legs nor power to keep Manny off. Mayweather will outbox Manny but only until the next assault. And on and on it will go. Mayweather is a very old fighter now against a speedy, high output, accumulator. If Mayweather cannot keep Manny honest then Pac will keep on coming.

Manny inevitably wins on points or he manages to do what Mosley was to old to finish.

Also, who else stops the likes of Bradley or Rios? They are teak tough and eat punches for breakfast.

That's the problem: people see Pac (or any other fighter for that matter) do things against a tailor-made opponent like a Brandon Rios and assume he'll be able to do it against anyone. Those people are going to be gravely disappointed.

Against the big plodder Margarito, Pac threw over 1000 punches. Against Brandon Rios, well over 700.
In the 3rd Marquez fight, he threw just over 500. In the 4th fight, over 6 rounds he threw 256 punches, so he was on pace for about 500 punches. That's about 40 punches a round against Marquez, so the amount of punches Pac throws is totally dependant on the style he's fighting. And keeping in mind that Floyd is a much better technical boxer than JMM, much longer, much better defensively and much less likely to stand and bang... those who think Pac is going to have this huge punch output against Floyd are going to be sorely disappointed.

The 40 punches per round Pac threw vs JMM is well below the 58.2 punch WW average.

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

That's the problem: people see Pac (or any other fighter for that matter) do things against a tailor-made opponent like a Brandon Rios and assume he'll be able to do it against anyone. Those people are going to be gravely disappointed.

Against the big plodder Margarito, Pac threw over 1000 punches. Against Brandon Rios, well over 700.
In the 3rd Marquez fight, he threw just over 500. In the 4th fight, over 6 rounds he threw 256 punches, so he was on pace for about 500 punches. That's about 40 punches a round against Marquez, so the amount of punches Pac throws is totally dependant on the style he's fighting. And keeping in mind that Floyd is a much better technical boxer than JMM, much longer, much better defensively and much less likely to stand and bang... those who think Pac is going to have this huge punch output against Floyd are going to be sorely disappointed.

If pac comes with the low punch output he will probably lose. I think he needs to swarm floyd to win. I think swarming non stop pac style will show floyds age......no swarm no win for pac.

Pac's output will dwarf Floyd's regardless. Floyd threw just over 300 punches last time against Maidana yet won clearer than the first time when he threw over 400 punches.

Quite simply... the amount of punches Floyd throws will be determined by the amount Manny throws.

I just don't see Pac as that kind of guy. Yeah, he loves to throw big punches in volume, but he's not cut from the Maidana/Castillo/ect cloth where he's going to bully Floyd into the ropes and rough him up. Pac likes to box, get in land his shots and get out, move, and look to counter. I see this fight taking place primarily in the center of the ring (ala Pac/JMM) and I don't see that working out in the end for Pac.

Originally Posted by chris6878

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

That's the problem: people see Pac (or any other fighter for that matter) do things against a tailor-made opponent like a Brandon Rios and assume he'll be able to do it against anyone. Those people are going to be gravely disappointed.

Against the big plodder Margarito, Pac threw over 1000 punches. Against Brandon Rios, well over 700.
In the 3rd Marquez fight, he threw just over 500. In the 4th fight, over 6 rounds he threw 256 punches, so he was on pace for about 500 punches. That's about 40 punches a round against Marquez, so the amount of punches Pac throws is totally dependant on the style he's fighting. And keeping in mind that Floyd is a much better technical boxer than JMM, much longer, much better defensively and much less likely to stand and bang... those who think Pac is going to have this huge punch output against Floyd are going to be sorely disappointed.

If pac comes with the low punch output he will probably lose. I think he needs to swarm floyd to win. I think swarming non stop pac style will show floyds age......no swarm no win for pac.

Swarming by hitting the thin air? Pacquiao would not do that, he would be wasting his energy. I see already the fight, Pacman unleashes a flurry while Floyd stick, run, and circle him just like what happened to Maidana 2 and Saul Alvarez. Pacman would look bad on this fight

Lol. This thing cant be over soon enough but chances are this will also be a case of the cure being worse then the disease. If there is a God there wont be any controversy. Trouble is, my skeptical, cynical side believes that with the money involved it simply wont end cleanly. Something is going to happen and I think its inevitable. Worse perhaps if nothing does, something will surly be invented.

I've always thought Floyd beats Manny but what cracks me up about the opening remarks now merged in this case is once again the myopia that seems to encircle some Floyd fans.They carry on as if Manny has experienced atrophy but Floyd has not slid a lick. The way some talk, you'd think Floyd was just coming off his Gatti win. I'm convinced that some Floyd fans would not notice a weakness or kink in the guy if he himself showed it to them. Well I hate to be the one to break it to you but the Floyd I have witnessed over the last 3 years is nowhere near the Floyd of even 5 years ago let alone a decade back. Besides if this fight is going to be as easy as some say it is for Floyd then I expect there wont be any boasting should it happen as predicted. After all according to what I see here, its just another over matched no hoper. Even Ray Leonard will be mistaken when he claimed its legacy defining because according to some Floyd fans its like beating Baldomir


And ftr Floyd is just as susceptible to a straight left or hook. Even more so against speedy movers that dont stand in front of him. His entire D is based on orthodox fighters. Southpaws on the whole have an advantage because they fight more right handers then righties fight southpaws. I think Floyd will struggle to keep his lead foot on the outside of Manny's. Floyds lead right will be key but Mannys right jab could take it away while he moves right. Then there's the activity level and the fact that Floyd is not near the fighter off the back foot that he used to be.

This fight is not the same fight it was 3 or 5 years ago because neither man is the same fighter, not just one of them.

I think Floyd has slowed far more than Pac. Pac still has his legs and Floyd's legs looked shit in both fights last year. But I still pick Floyd. Just now I am not so sure like I was a few years ago.

There are lots of so called intangibles in boxing, something most casual boxing fans fail to appreciate. Most fans go by the simple, 1+1=2 therefore 2-1=1, type of reasoning. So many fans are probably saying, 'Geez, Floyd is superbly skilled, never been down, and he's never lost... but why the heck are most of the top boxers, trainers giving this puny boxer with so many flaws any chances?' I'll tell you why: it's because they can see what most of the casual fans and the so-called experts - of the armchair variety, I mean - fail to see. I'll tell it to you straight. Floyd's gonna get hit unless he runs and he knows that. I was thinking that Floyd would do just that, backing off and off and shooting his favorite pot shots, a legitimate tactic that can win him the fight but something fans will not like. But then, Floyd's camp has been saying they are going for a KO and I've been saying this is probably part of their mind game. You probably know that when one camp shouts to the public something, they are going for the opposite. But now, I've got just a slightest of feeling that they might actually do that. Maybe they feel that if Floyd's gonna get hit, he better hit hard in return. I'm not sure about that and I don't think that is a good strategy for Floyd. As far as I can remember, everyone who went toe-to-toe against Pac eventually backed down or got kd'd.

Originally Posted by pacfan

There are lots of so called intangibles in boxing, something most casual boxing fans fail to appreciate. Most fans go by the simple, 1+1=2 therefore 2-1=1, type of reasoning. So many fans are probably saying, 'Geez, Floyd is superbly skilled, never been down, and he's never lost... but why the heck are most of the top boxers, trainers giving this puny boxer with so many flaws any chances?' I'll tell you why: it's because they can see what most of the casual fans and the so-called experts - of the armchair variety, I mean - fail to see. I'll tell it to you straight. Floyd's gonna get hit unless he runs and he knows that. I was thinking that Floyd would do just that, backing off and off and shooting his favorite pot shots, a legitimate tactic that can win him the fight but something fans will not like. But then, Floyd's camp has been saying they are going for a KO and I've been saying this is probably part of their mind game. You probably know that when one camp shouts to the public something, they are going for the opposite. But now, I've got just a slightest of feeling that they might actually do that. Maybe they feel that if Floyd's gonna get hit, he better hit hard in return. I'm not sure about that and I don't think that is a good strategy for Floyd. As far as I can remember, everyone who went toe-to-toe against Pac eventually backed down or got kd'd.

Morales in the first fight picked him apart.

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by pacfan

There are lots of so called intangibles in boxing, something most casual boxing fans fail to appreciate. Most fans go by the simple, 1+1=2 therefore 2-1=1, type of reasoning. So many fans are probably saying, 'Geez, Floyd is superbly skilled, never been down, and he's never lost... but why the heck are most of the top boxers, trainers giving this puny boxer with so many flaws any chances?' I'll tell you why: it's because they can see what most of the casual fans and the so-called experts - of the armchair variety, I mean - fail to see. I'll tell it to you straight. Floyd's gonna get hit unless he runs and he knows that. I was thinking that Floyd would do just that, backing off and off and shooting his favorite pot shots, a legitimate tactic that can win him the fight but something fans will not like. But then, Floyd's camp has been saying they are going for a KO and I've been saying this is probably part of their mind game. You probably know that when one camp shouts to the public something, they are going for the opposite. But now, I've got just a slightest of feeling that they might actually do that. Maybe they feel that if Floyd's gonna get hit, he better hit hard in return. I'm not sure about that and I don't think that is a good strategy for Floyd. As far as I can remember, everyone who went toe-to-toe against Pac eventually backed down or got kd'd.

Morales in the first fight picked him apart.

You're right there but there were some issues in that fight which I will not waste my time debating here as I'm sure it will lead to nowhere. What's important is that Pac was able to prove his point by beating Erik twice after that, something neither I nor anyone else can do. All we fanboys can do is to just debate endlessly. That's why I hate discussing hypothetical fights. I usually come here to discuss upcoming fights - take my position, say my piece, and after the fight, face the consequence, right or wrong. Well ya, that part about facing the consequence was a bit of exaggeration though...