Thread: world war two

Originally Posted by TitoFan

The same is said of the atomic bombs in Japan. That they saved millions of lives.

Yes, another tragedy but it was calculated an invasion of Japan would cost a million lives. The Japanese had prepared the population to fight. It would have been a bloodbath. More civilians died in the incendiary bombing of German than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki but again, Japan continued to refuse to surrender. If you want to read about some true horror read about what the Japanese did to Nanking China when they invaded. I think it was 300,000 civilians the Japanese butchered in a week. They were terrible creatures.

You always call everyone else a terrible creature but I seldom hear you apply that to your own nations torture, murder and Nazism. All I do is point out that it is all wrong. Try telling the dead of Nagasaki they were the price worth paying, or the people of Dresden, or Fallujah. War is a terrible thing and it happens because there is money in it and little more. Fiat money, the stuff they conjure up and they still need to ruin cities and nations. It is a sickness and they are all war crimes.

Originally Posted by Gandalf

You always call everyone else a terrible creature but I seldom hear you apply that to your own nations torture, murder and Nazism. All I do is point out that it is all wrong. Try telling the dead of Nagasaki they were the price worth paying, or the people of Dresden, or Fallujah. War is a terrible thing and it happens because there is money in it and little more. Fiat money, the stuff they conjure up and they still need to ruin cities and nations. It is a sickness and they are all war crimes.

Miles, there was nothing good about ww 2 other than it ended with the destruction of the Nazis. The Japanese commuted genocide against the Chinese, it was called the hidden holocaust. You seem to think I feel America is always right, that is not the case but we are talking about history hear. I think it's a horrible thing we used nukes. I do wish the emperor had surrendered. Do you dislike the US so much you don't appreciate the sacrifices the US made for its allies. We didn't do what Russia did and claim territory we fought to get the Nazis out of. No miles, I don't think the US is without sin, but you don't seem interested in acknowledging anything positive we have done for the world, besides, I was just having a little talk with @TitoFan and a couple other guys. I would not involve you in a conversation like this as I don't want to upset you in case you are trying to enjoy a cocktail. If I don't @Gandalf you, my comments weren't intended for you, and just to make perfectly clear, I still love you, I just prefer not to talk certain things with you.

A sign of emotional maturity is to have the ability to be even-handed about your criticisms and praise. No country or government is all bad.... no country or government is all good. Simple as that. You acquire more credibility as a thinking person when you can criticize on one hand, while praising and giving credit on the other. Otherwise, it's perceived (correctly) as just hate.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

A sign of emotional maturity is to have the ability to be even-handed about your criticisms and praise. No country or government is all bad.... no country or government is all good. Simple as that. You acquire more credibility as a thinking person when you can criticize on one hand, while praising and giving credit on the other. Otherwise, it's perceived (correctly) as just hate.

True in most cases but whenever a member of the Bush family is rockin the White House America is white, uptight, and outta sight, kind of like a tampon.

I guess you can add blood-thirsty, then.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Bwahahaha. This is why it is funny that some historians are acceptable and others are not. The whole Putin against the West routine shows how we rig viewpoints daily, in terms of history it is much the same. We sweep under the rug the true nature of our own systems and distort others. No Conservative has ever been a hero and the British public said as much by booting the bloated old death merchant out at the end of the war. People had more backbone and sense in those days. Hitler was a junkie madman and Churchill was an alcoholic madman. The heroes were the working classes. Never the political elite who really sacrificed nothing.

Do you realize Putin is estimated to be worth 200 billion, Miles? Care to explain why, or how that is acceptable considering the economic landscape of Russia? Shit man, I'm a sensitive, anti war type, the Dresden bombing for instance makes me cringe and highly question all the praise Churchill gets, but you can't honestly compare him with Hitler as if it's just a matter of perspective. Fact is he, or someone like him, was completely necessary for Britain in those days.

I have no problem with the bombing of Dresden. Gotta send a message some how

I always thought you was Mexican

Originally Posted by TitoFan

I guess you can add blood-thirsty, then.

@TitoFan Damn that is funny

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Bwahahaha. This is why it is funny that some historians are acceptable and others are not. The whole Putin against the West routine shows how we rig viewpoints daily, in terms of history it is much the same. We sweep under the rug the true nature of our own systems and distort others. No Conservative has ever been a hero and the British public said as much by booting the bloated old death merchant out at the end of the war. People had more backbone and sense in those days. Hitler was a junkie madman and Churchill was an alcoholic madman. The heroes were the working classes. Never the political elite who really sacrificed nothing.

Do you realize Putin is estimated to be worth 200 billion, Miles? Care to explain why, or how that is acceptable considering the economic landscape of Russia? Shit man, I'm a sensitive, anti war type, the Dresden bombing for instance makes me cringe and highly question all the praise Churchill gets, but you can't honestly compare him with Hitler as if it's just a matter of perspective. Fact is he, or someone like him, was completely necessary for Britain in those days.

I have no problem with the bombing of Dresden. Gotta send a message some how

I always thought you was Mexican

Mexican-American. Born in Los Angeles. Blame for the bombing of Dresden falls on Germany. They don't start a war it don't get bombed.

I have changed my mind and like WW2 and think Churchill did 4 good things.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Bwahahaha. This is why it is funny that some historians are acceptable and others are not. The whole Putin against the West routine shows how we rig viewpoints daily, in terms of history it is much the same. We sweep under the rug the true nature of our own systems and distort others. No Conservative has ever been a hero and the British public said as much by booting the bloated old death merchant out at the end of the war. People had more backbone and sense in those days. Hitler was a junkie madman and Churchill was an alcoholic madman. The heroes were the working classes. Never the political elite who really sacrificed nothing.

Do you realize Putin is estimated to be worth 200 billion, Miles? Care to explain why, or how that is acceptable considering the economic landscape of Russia? Shit man, I'm a sensitive, anti war type, the Dresden bombing for instance makes me cringe and highly question all the praise Churchill gets, but you can't honestly compare him with Hitler as if it's just a matter of perspective. Fact is he, or someone like him, was completely necessary for Britain in those days.

I have no problem with the bombing of Dresden. Gotta send a message some how

I always thought you was Mexican

Mexican-American. Born in Los Angeles. Blame for the bombing of Dresden falls on Germany. They don't start a war it don't get bombed.

Alright, but the fact is Dresden had very little, if anything to do with the war. There was no manufacturing/industry, no troops there, and they made sure to try and kill virtually everyone. Considering the way Hitler was already content with running his country in the ground before surrendering, it's highly debatable whether it even spared any allied forces or aided in the victory whatsoever.

War is war. How else to beat an enemy into submission if you don't strike hard and dirty? I'm sure it sucks for all the victims in Dresden... but Hitler had put his whole country in harm's way by wanting to exterminate all Jews and take over every country in Europe. The guy was deranged. Easy to second guess Dresden, but the Allies needed some way to dissuade Hitler from continuing his dastardly ways. Same with the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Horrible tragedy... but in the end thousands if now millions of lives were spared. War itself sucks. It's not dueling with pistols and white gloves.

There wasn't "smart bombing" technology back then, either.

Germany may have set the table with the idiocy of the Blitz. Then again Dresden doesn't have a thing on what the Allies did to Hamburg in 43'. Both hell on earth. No matter the flag, civilians always have and always will bear the terror of misguided small men with no regard for life.

Originally Posted by walrus

Originally Posted by TitoFan

The same is said of the atomic bombs in Japan. That they saved millions of lives.

Yes, another tragedy but it was calculated an invasion of Japan would cost a million lives. The Japanese had prepared the population to fight. It would have been a bloodbath. More civilians died in the incendiary bombing of German than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki but again, Japan continued to refuse to surrender. If you want to read about some true horror read about what the Japanese did to Nanking China when they invaded. I think it was 300,000 civilians the Japanese butchered in a week. They were terrible creatures.

Butchered is the right word for that. No one says nothing about that. This is because a Jewish life is more important than a Chinese life.