Thread: How should a Canelo KO of Kirkland be viewed?

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland

If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.

Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.

Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.

Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.

Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.

Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.

You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much. Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.

Alvarez has already gotten in the ring with the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). He's gotten in the ring with with the 2 most avoided fighters in his division (Lara and Trout). He's gotten in the ring with the most dangerous fighter in his division (Kirkland). And he's doing his damnest to get in the ring with the middleweight champion in the world (Cotto). Yeah Alvarez has really shown he ducks fighters.

Mayweather posed no knockout threat to Canelo. The only danger he posed was that of exposing and embarrassing the young, overhyped matinee idol. Which of course he did..... to the Nth degree. Kirkland dangerous? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! To himself, maybe. To the rest of us, he was a bumbling, Wolf-less, face-first, defenseless fighter just coming off a 1st round KO loss to that most feared puncher of all........ Nobuhiro Ishida!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Stop!! You're killing me here.

I'm sorry..... but this is where you and I part ways. You see Kirkland as dangerous 'cause it fits your "let's continue to hype Canelo" agenda. Everybody else saw him as a lamb being led to slaughter. If not, check out the results of the poll on this very thread.

I'll give Canelo his win over Trout, because that's just the kind of guy I am...... objective. But it was about time he faced someone like that...... after amassing a 42-0 record on bums, over-the-hills, or undersized opponents..... don't you think?

So who has Canelo had to duck yet? NOBODY.

I actually hope he doesn't duck GGG. I will be my extreme pleasure to watch Canelo dismantled piece by ginger-colored piece in what is sure to be my most favorite fight to watch after the destruction of JCC Jr. by Fonfara the other day.

In slow motion. Kirkland looked like one of those old cowboy westerns where the shot bandit pirouettes off the balcony

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland

If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.

Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.

Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.

Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.

Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.

Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.

You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much. Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.

Alvarez has already gotten in the ring with the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). He's gotten in the ring with with the 2 most avoided fighters in his division (Lara and Trout). He's gotten in the ring with the most dangerous fighter in his division (Kirkland). And he's doing his damnest to get in the ring with the middleweight champion in the world (Cotto). Yeah Alvarez has really shown he ducks fighters.

Mayweather posed no knockout threat to Canelo. The only danger he posed was that of exposing and embarrassing the young, overhyped matinee idol. Which of course he did..... to the Nth degree. Kirkland dangerous? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! To himself, maybe. To the rest of us, he was a bumbling, Wolf-less, face-first, defenseless fighter just coming off a 1st round KO loss to that most feared puncher of all........ Nobuhiro Ishida!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Stop!! You're killing me here.

I'm sorry..... but this is where you and I part ways. You see Kirkland as dangerous 'cause it fits your "let's continue to hype Canelo" agenda. Everybody else saw him as a lamb being led to slaughter. If not, check out the results of the poll on this very thread.

I'll give Canelo his win over Trout, because that's just the kind of guy I am...... objective. But it was about time he faced someone like that...... after amassing a 42-0 record on bums, over-the-hills, or undersized opponents..... don't you think?

So who has Canelo had to duck yet? NOBODY.

I actually hope he doesn't duck GGG. I will be my extreme pleasure to watch Canelo dismantled piece by ginger-colored piece in what is sure to be my most favorite fight to watch after the destruction of JCC Jr. by Fonfara the other day.

It's pretty hilarious how Kirkland was always one of the names you would bring up that Alvarez needed to fight. Now that Kirkland got slaughtered, of course he now sucks. Right? Hating 101. Either way, knock Kirkland all you want. He's still way more dangerous and way more of a threat than Daniel fucking Geale.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

What happened to Kirkland is the reason why Cotto has ducked Alvarez 3 times. But he can't duck him forever. Alvarez is forcing his hand. He did his part by nearly decapitating Kirkland. Hopefully Cotto does his by beating Geale. Who is less than a threat than Kirkland

If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.

Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.

Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.

Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.

Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.

Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.

You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much. Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.

Alvarez has already gotten in the ring with the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). He's gotten in the ring with with the 2 most avoided fighters in his division (Lara and Trout). He's gotten in the ring with the most dangerous fighter in his division (Kirkland). And he's doing his damnest to get in the ring with the middleweight champion in the world (Cotto). Yeah Alvarez has really shown he ducks fighters.

Mayweather posed no knockout threat to Canelo. The only danger he posed was that of exposing and embarrassing the young, overhyped matinee idol. Which of course he did..... to the Nth degree. Kirkland dangerous? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! To himself, maybe. To the rest of us, he was a bumbling, Wolf-less, face-first, defenseless fighter just coming off a 1st round KO loss to that most feared puncher of all........ Nobuhiro Ishida!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Stop!! You're killing me here.

I'm sorry..... but this is where you and I part ways. You see Kirkland as dangerous 'cause it fits your "let's continue to hype Canelo" agenda. Everybody else saw him as a lamb being led to slaughter. If not, check out the results of the poll on this very thread.

I'll give Canelo his win over Trout, because that's just the kind of guy I am...... objective. But it was about time he faced someone like that...... after amassing a 42-0 record on bums, over-the-hills, or undersized opponents..... don't you think?

So who has Canelo had to duck yet? NOBODY.

I actually hope he doesn't duck GGG. I will be my extreme pleasure to watch Canelo dismantled piece by ginger-colored piece in what is sure to be my most favorite fight to watch after the destruction of JCC Jr. by Fonfara the other day.

It's pretty hilarious how Kirkland was always one of the names you would bring up that Alvarez needed to fight. Now that Kirkland got slaughtered, of course he now sucks. Right? Hating 101. Either way, knock Kirkland all you want. He's still way more dangerous and way more of a threat than Daniel fucking Geale.

Kirkland's a big puncher, and aggressive. No taking that away from him. But he's pretty well shot, it appears. The knockout loss to Ishida was downright shocking. I've never wanted to put too much stock into the importance of a certain person in a fighter's corner, but damn..... It seems Ann Wolfe is more important in that corner than most people thought she was. And... you gotta admit... Kirkland displayed ZERO defense against Canelo. Tailor-made for Canelo, is the only way to put it. Made for Canelo to look good.

Daniel fucking Geale? Prior to his knockout loss to Golovkin, he wasn't doing too badly for himself. Losing by KO to GGG isn't exactly a rarity lately... the guy has 20 straight KO wins. We'll see exactly how he and Cotto match up, but I don't think it's exactly a gimme. You say Kirkland is more of a threat than Geale. Yet the Kirkland that showed up against Canelo was clueless. Someone like Geale would've probably been more competitive.

Kirkland was being schooled by Molina two years ago for Christ's sake, he hadn't fought since 2013 and you're trying to make the dude sound like he was a top guy, when he really wasn't