Boxing Forums



User Tag List

Thanks Thanks:  0
Likes Likes:  0
Dislikes Dislikes:  0
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 16 to 30 of 30

Thread: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

Share/Bookmark
  1. #16
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    2,613
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    951
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Haymon is basically setting up his own version of professional boxing. He's going to cut out the existing sanctioning bodies and have his own PBC champions.

    What that means is, if he's successful, is that you have PBC and then all the other promoters working with the WBC/A/O/IBF and so on. Boxing becomes even more bi or trifurcated than before, as it's highly unlikely that Haymon manages to sign every single boxing attraction out there.

    For example, Kovalev-Stevenson is now an absolute nonstarter as Kovalev is on HBO and Haymon is never going to allow Stevenson to fight on HBO.

    The best thing that can happen is for Haymon to bomb and the people bankrolling him to pull the plug. If that happens we go back to guys like Arum and Fishnets occasionally doing business with each other. Maybe these guys get into the habit of doing business while threatenend with Haymon and if/when Haymon does blow up they stay in the habit. So long term Haymon may turn out to be a good thing.
    Don't know if he is good or bad for boxing. My guess is that boxing will ultimately benefit. However, many boxer destined for greatness may get their path impeded.

  2. #17
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    13,929
    Mentioned
    123 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1923
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Haymon is basically setting up his own version of professional boxing. He's going to cut out the existing sanctioning bodies and have his own PBC champions.

    What that means is, if he's successful, is that you have PBC and then all the other promoters working with the WBC/A/O/IBF and so on. Boxing becomes even more bi or trifurcated than before, as it's highly unlikely that Haymon manages to sign every single boxing attraction out there.

    For example, Kovalev-Stevenson is now an absolute nonstarter as Kovalev is on HBO and Haymon is never going to allow Stevenson to fight on HBO.

    The best thing that can happen is for Haymon to bomb and the people bankrolling him to pull the plug. If that happens we go back to guys like Arum and Fishnets occasionally doing business with each other. Maybe these guys get into the habit of doing business while threatenend with Haymon and if/when Haymon does blow up they stay in the habit. So long term Haymon may turn out to be a good thing.
    So you blame Haymon for no Kov/Stevenson fight even though they said they were happy to go to the purse bid and Kovalev asked that he be removed from his mandatory position so no purse bid would happen?

    Did Haymon also cause the fall of the Romans?
    No, read what I wrote again.
    I did. You wrote "Haymon is not going to allow..." That looks like blame on Haymon. But the system said that the fight would happen. Haymon and Stevenson said they were looking forward to the purse bid. The fight would have been on the Network that paid most but Duva/Kovalev were not in agreement with that. If Duva won the purse bid they could have had the fight on HBO. Haymon wasn't stopping anything. Kovalev was advised to ask to be removed from his spot. And then in the last couple days he signed an HBO exclusive deal!!! So it seems more about Duva/Kovalev not being willing to fight off HBO than it was about Haymon not being willing to fight on HBO. Until that exclusive contract the fighters could fight wherever paid most, that is the roadblock. Not Haymon. Your point was right, as of that exclusive contract it is a non-starter. The problem is where you placed blame. Stevenson shouldn't have to take less to cater to Kovalev. If he does good for him. But it was absolutely Duva and Kovalev who created all barriers to that fight.

    I thought Haymon/Stevenson were the problem. I like Kovalev(except the racism, the monkey thing could have been a mistake but that interview from about 6 months ago there is no denying how the man feels) I would root for Kovalev. But it is clear by actual actions who stopped this fight right now. Maybe it happens, if Haymon and Stevenson are willing to bend over backwards to make it. But before Duva/Kovalev changed things it was straight forward and simple.
    I'm also saying Kovalev is on HBO and implicit in that is that Kovalev isn't fighting on another network either. And so now we have an explicitly bifurcated system where before there was at least the possibility of promoters working with each other.

  3. #18
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    13,929
    Mentioned
    123 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1923
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Haymon is basically setting up his own version of professional boxing. He's going to cut out the existing sanctioning bodies and have his own PBC champions.

    What that means is, if he's successful, is that you have PBC and then all the other promoters working with the WBC/A/O/IBF and so on. Boxing becomes even more bi or trifurcated than before, as it's highly unlikely that Haymon manages to sign every single boxing attraction out there.

    For example, Kovalev-Stevenson is now an absolute nonstarter as Kovalev is on HBO and Haymon is never going to allow Stevenson to fight on HBO.

    The best thing that can happen is for Haymon to bomb and the people bankrolling him to pull the plug. If that happens we go back to guys like Arum and Fishnets occasionally doing business with each other. Maybe these guys get into the habit of doing business while threatenend with Haymon and if/when Haymon does blow up they stay in the habit. So long term Haymon may turn out to be a good thing.
    Don't know if he is good or bad for boxing. My guess is that boxing will ultimately benefit. However, many boxer destined for greatness may get their path impeded.
    If Haymon's shows get ratings and he starts getting networks offering to buy his shows instead of him buying airtime then he'll be putting a lot of shows on free TV.

  4. #19
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    6,462
    Mentioned
    196 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    620
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    If Haymon by some weird chance kills all the sanctioning bodies, casual fans would find it possible to finally name a champ.
    There is no silver bullet to making fans and fighters all happy.
    But killing the ABC org belts is a good start.
    All's lost! Everything's going to shit!

  5. #20
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    483
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    530
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    Sounds like Al Haymon is implementing a project to completely change the boxing landscape.

  6. #21
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    13,929
    Mentioned
    123 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1923
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    If Haymon by some weird chance kills all the sanctioning bodies, casual fans would find it possible to finally name a champ.
    There is no silver bullet to making fans and fighters all happy.
    But killing the ABC org belts is a good start.
    Apparently PBC belts are currently under construction by some English firm.

    I couldn't care less if Haymon, Arum, Fishnets or some rapper comes along and corners the market. If you had one guy with all the top boxers signed up who could make the fights people wanted to see knowing he had both guys under contract then I'd be all for it, doesn't matter who it is.

    Can't see it happening though. I can see boxing getting more balkanised and purses going up for a while if Haymon and this rapper chappie get into competition but I don't think Haymon will dominate boxing to the extent that UFC dominate MMA.

    He's got a ton of money backing him, potentially hundreds of millions of dollars, but his backers can pull the plug on that cash at any time. If he can't show big and growing ratings/public interest in what he's doing then eventually the gentlemen backing him will pull the plug.

  7. #22
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    6,462
    Mentioned
    196 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    620
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    Well said.

    Now bring on the no ppv fights!!!!!!!!!!!
    All's lost! Everything's going to shit!

  8. #23
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Delaware
    Posts
    6,763
    Mentioned
    32 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1245
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Haymon is basically setting up his own version of professional boxing. He's going to cut out the existing sanctioning bodies and have his own PBC champions.

    What that means is, if he's successful, is that you have PBC and then all the other promoters working with the WBC/A/O/IBF and so on. Boxing becomes even more bi or trifurcated than before, as it's highly unlikely that Haymon manages to sign every single boxing attraction out there.

    For example, Kovalev-Stevenson is now an absolute nonstarter as Kovalev is on HBO and Haymon is never going to allow Stevenson to fight on HBO.

    The best thing that can happen is for Haymon to bomb and the people bankrolling him to pull the plug. If that happens we go back to guys like Arum and Fishnets occasionally doing business with each other. Maybe these guys get into the habit of doing business while threatenend with Haymon and if/when Haymon does blow up they stay in the habit. So long term Haymon may turn out to be a good thing.
    So you blame Haymon for no Kov/Stevenson fight even though they said they were happy to go to the purse bid and Kovalev asked that he be removed from his mandatory position so no purse bid would happen?

    Did Haymon also cause the fall of the Romans?
    Hold up. Stevenson ran from the Kovalev to sign with Haymon, who then steered him away from Kovalev and Pascal. It is true that Kovalev backed out of the purse bid because his team was afraid PBC would outbid HBO and then they would be in a situation where they would have to breach a contract to make the fight happen. But, the whole Stevenson-Kovalev snafu didn't start yesterday. Stevenson signed with Haymon who wouldn't let him face Kovalev in the first round.

  9. #24
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Delaware
    Posts
    6,763
    Mentioned
    32 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1245
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    I think the afternoon cards have been terrific because the UK get them primetime. Can't be a coincidence that Eddie Hearn's fighters - DeGale, Burns and McDonnell have all been part of the afternoon shows. Keep it going.

    I don't care about catchweights (within reason) or belts just the best matches possible being made.
    Agreed. Make the best fights. Put your A-Sides against each other. Frankly, the promotional team behind the fight isn't what's most important, the actual fight is.

  10. #25
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    2,613
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    951
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    So I'm not sure if this was posted on another thread or if any caught it but it is also the end of Friday Night Fights.

    ESPN Reaches Multi-Year Agreement to Televise Premier Boxing Champions Series
    PBC on ESPN to Air 12 Two-hour Live Shows Annually on ESPN and ABC


    ESPN will televise Premier Boxing Champions, a series created for television by Haymon Boxing, featuring top-level fights between many of boxing’s biggest names. The multi-year agreement was announced today. The first of 12 two-hour annual live Premier Boxing Champions on ESPN (PBC on ESPN) telecasts is scheduled for Saturday, July 11, at 9 p.m. ET on ESPN and ESPN Deportes.

    ESPN telecasts will air live in primetime. ABC broadcasts will air on Saturday afternoon, with further details to be announced at a later date. ESPN Deportes, ESPN’s Spanish-language network, will also televise all PBC on ESPN fights as part of its Noche de Combates series.

    Live coverage will also be available through WatchESPN on computers, smartphones, tablets, Amazon Fire TV and Fire TV Stick, Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, Xbox 360 and Xbox One via an affiliated video provider. The agreement also includes worldwide rights via ESPN International.

    Card details of the first PBC on ESPN telecast and subsequent shows will be announced at a later date. ESPN’s long-standing Friday Night Fights will celebrate its last show Friday, May 22 with the finals of the Boxcino 2015 tournament.

  11. #26
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    6,462
    Mentioned
    196 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    620
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    So I'm not sure if this was posted on another thread or if any caught it but it is also the end of Friday Night Fights.

    ESPN Reaches Multi-Year Agreement to Televise Premier Boxing Champions Series
    PBC on ESPN to Air 12 Two-hour Live Shows Annually on ESPN and ABC


    ESPN will televise Premier Boxing Champions, a series created for television by Haymon Boxing, featuring top-level fights between many of boxing’s biggest names. The multi-year agreement was announced today. The first of 12 two-hour annual live Premier Boxing Champions on ESPN (PBC on ESPN) telecasts is scheduled for Saturday, July 11, at 9 p.m. ET on ESPN and ESPN Deportes.

    ESPN telecasts will air live in primetime. ABC broadcasts will air on Saturday afternoon, with further details to be announced at a later date. ESPN Deportes, ESPN’s Spanish-language network, will also televise all PBC on ESPN fights as part of its Noche de Combates series.

    Live coverage will also be available through WatchESPN on computers, smartphones, tablets, Amazon Fire TV and Fire TV Stick, Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, Xbox 360 and Xbox One via an affiliated video provider. The agreement also includes worldwide rights via ESPN International.

    Card details of the first PBC on ESPN telecast and subsequent shows will be announced at a later date. ESPN’s long-standing Friday Night Fights will celebrate its last show Friday, May 22 with the finals of the Boxcino 2015 tournament.
    Now that's what I'm talking 'bout.
    All's lost! Everything's going to shit!

  12. #27
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Southport
    Posts
    8,224
    Mentioned
    41 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1796
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    Really can't complain at the afternoon US shows. Hope Degale does the business.

  13. #28
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    13,929
    Mentioned
    123 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1923
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions


  14. #29
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    On the levee
    Posts
    45,552
    Mentioned
    428 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    5034
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    Haymon seems to have a microwave vision and has pulled a coup with buying independent voices. FNF and ESPN cards before it have done more for the sport and young careers than any overpriced PPV or "premiere network" stuffed with mere showcases have ever done. It was the point of beginning, growth and for many the comeback that you need in the big picture and miss with already established names. You have to have variety, journeymen in a hidden gem of a stand by 6 round scrap and they can't all be superstars. I think Haymon may have a short sighted view of the sport and fans lose here as will some very decent fighters without weekly exposure. Bad for the sport!

  15. #30
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    1,433
    Mentioned
    39 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    628
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions

    There is a Great article on boxingscene about Al Haymon

    I especially praise the bible references in the end which may seem like as if I wrote this article
    Learn Mike Tyson style and elements of Peekaboo @ SugarBoxing

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

     

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 20
    Last Post: 03-08-2014, 04:39 AM
  2. Replies: 10
    Last Post: 08-04-2013, 09:29 PM
  3. Replies: 31
    Last Post: 04-02-2011, 08:48 PM
  4. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 11-14-2009, 05:02 PM
  5. Replies: 10
    Last Post: 10-18-2008, 11:29 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  




Boxing | Boxing Photos | Boxing News | Boxing Forum | Boxing Rankings

Copyright © 2000 - 2024 Saddo Boxing - Boxing