Thread: Every Great Boxer Has a Flaw

Mayweather-Never throws in combinations.
Not an 8 piece combo, not even six consecutive punches thrown in 19 years.

RJJ- won with reflex agility and talent. He has no fundamentals. Not offensively, damn sure not defensively. His last 10 or so fights! Saying back to Glenn Johnson : horrible defense.

A lot more fighters, but those 2 for starters.

Serious Not one fighter in all of boxindom is 100% across the board.

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Mayweather-Never throws in combinations.
Not an 8 piece combo, not even six consecutive punches thrown in 19 years.

RJJ- won with reflex agility and talent. He has no fundamentals. Not offensively, damn sure not defensively. His last 10 or so fights! Saying back to Glenn Johnson : horrible defense.

A lot more fighters, but those 2 for starters.

Serious Not one fighter in all of boxindom is 100% across the board.

The Floyd thing I really don't see as a flaw. Floyd chooses his punches better than any boxer in history (in terms of landing them accurately and not getting countered in return). His philosophy was never to throw volume and hope to land something, it was always to hit a guy at the most opportune time, land the initial shot, and look to either dodge or counter the retaliation shot. Sure, if he was throwing 6-8 punch combinations, he probably would have been more exciting and stopped a few more guys, but then you also run the risk of catching something in return ala Khan/Garcia. So when a guy goes almost 20 years undefeated doing something, it's hard for me to accept it as a flaw.

The thing about Roy having no fundamentals I never understood. I mean we're talking about an amateur superstar who dominated in the olympics to win a gold medal (although he received a silver). Yeah he was fast as fuck and did a lot of unorthodox shit and got away with stuff a slower man couldn't have, but it doesn't mean he didn't have the fundamentals there. There was never a guy more fluid in the ring than Roy Jones. Every punch was crisp (except for some of the more unorthodox shit he did), he could throw a punch from any angle, his footwork was impeccable and he was never off balance, he could double and triple up on a jab faster than most guys could throw a single one... he was a technical marvel. If people want to pick on a guy for having shoddy fundamentals (or at least getting away from them), look at how vulnerable Prince Naseem looked against competent boxers as he constantly threw himself off balance. Roy Jones was never off balance. He was a technical marvel.

I was saying that about Floyd in the Pac fight. He just has never been a combination punched which is why he struggles the most with pressure fighters. His one punch at a time makes it hard to keep them off of him.

Originally Posted by powerpuncher

I was saying that about Floyd in the Pac fight. He just has never been a combination punched which is why he struggles the most with pressure fighters. His one punch at a time makes it hard to keep them off of him.

He's had 2 close fights in 19 years.

Every Rose Has Its Thorns...

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by powerpuncher

I was saying that about Floyd in the Pac fight. He just has never been a combination punched which is why he struggles the most with pressure fighters. His one punch at a time makes it hard to keep them off of him.

He's had 2 close fights in 19 years.

and both were pressure fighters

I think slim is correct. Floyd is great no doubt. Could his often lack of excitement be a flaw. He's fought some boring looking fights. That is mostly due to his phenomenal defense which I personally find exciting but I know many don't. Is Floyd's not closing the show ie running in the twelve a flaw or just smart ringsmanship. Not saying it's so, just posing the question.
Foreman is my favorite boxer. I wasn't around to see him in his prime but I watch all of his fights and enjoyed his comeback. He always said his greatest flaw was his lack of a jab during his prime years. I can't point out every boxers flaw but what athlete in any sport has ever achieved perfection in both offense, defense and over all performance.

Originally Posted by NVSemin

Every Rose Has Its Thorns...

Just like every cowboy has the same sad song.

Every stunning super model also makes a mess in the bowl after midnight

I may be off topic

Speaking of flaws, JCC Jr. Vs. Fonfara is being replayed this eve on Showtime. There is a walking flaw in the ring.

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Mayweather-Never throws in combinations.
Not an 8 piece combo, not even six consecutive punches thrown in 19 years.

RJJ- won with reflex agility and talent. He has no fundamentals. Not offensively, damn sure not defensively. His last 10 or so fights! Saying back to Glenn Johnson : horrible defense.

A lot more fighters, but those 2 for starters.

Serious Not one fighter in all of boxindom is 100% across the board.

This is why SRR is called P4P and he was way ahead of anyone, because he was almost 100% perfect.

Originally Posted by walrus

Speaking of flaws, JCC Jr. Vs. Fonfara is being replayed this eve on Showtime. There is a walking flaw in the ring.

You gotta love Goosen and his bitter with referee shows. Fighter loyal! The ref could be handing him money and he'd fine a dispute

Man. This was such a serious breakdown and talent gap on replay. Putting money on never seeing Chavez less than 170 again

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Mayweather-Never throws in combinations.
Not an 8 piece combo, not even six consecutive punches thrown in 19 years.

RJJ- won with reflex agility and talent. He has no fundamentals. Not offensively, damn sure not defensively. His last 10 or so fights! Saying back to Glenn Johnson : horrible defense.

A lot more fighters, but those 2 for starters.

Serious Not one fighter in all of boxindom is 100% across the board.

That damn Floyd, it's hard to argue with success, if he'd just lose we could say some really bad shit about him.
Floyd's flaw is that he is boring because he makes it look too easy, and by the way he doesn't throw enough combinations. Lol

GGG is exciting with all the KOs but again he's a fighter that makes it look too easy so many fans doubt him, and by the way he gets hit more than he should. Lol

Originally Posted by NVSemin

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Mayweather-Never throws in combinations.
Not an 8 piece combo, not even six consecutive punches thrown in 19 years.

RJJ- won with reflex agility and talent. He has no fundamentals. Not offensively, damn sure not defensively. His last 10 or so fights! Saying back to Glenn Johnson : horrible defense.

A lot more fighters, but those 2 for starters.

Serious Not one fighter in all of boxindom is 100% across the board.

This is why SRR is called P4P and he was way ahead of anyone, because he was almost 100% perfect.

Nope, his defense was mediocre.

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Mayweather-Never throws in combinations.
Not an 8 piece combo, not even six consecutive punches thrown in 19 years.

RJJ- won with reflex agility and talent. He has no fundamentals. Not offensively, damn sure not defensively. His last 10 or so fights! Saying back to Glenn Johnson : horrible defense.

A lot more fighters, but those 2 for starters.

Serious Not one fighter in all of boxindom is 100% across the board.

That damn Floyd, it's hard to argue with success, if he'd just lose we could say some really bad shit about him.
Floyd's flaw is that he is boring because he makes it look too easy, and by the way he doesn't throw enough combinations. Lol

GGG is exciting with all the KOs but again he's a fighter that makes it look too easy so many fans doubt him, and by the way he gets hit more than he should. Lol

I don't know about others but my doubts of GGG are not about his ability but rather his opposition. He's 33, Floyds resume was better at 24. There's something wrong with that. But they keep making fights, like being busy is enough. It isn't. Eventually you have to slow down and try and make a meaningful fight.

And they need to stop with the lies. If he is willing to move up for this guy and that guy and another he should be willing to move up for the better fighters as well. After he proves himself he can hide out in a shitty division of he wants. But first, this is sport, be sporting.