Thread: Fighters who didn't try enough against Wlad

You might as well have named this thread "David Haye didn't try enough against Wlad."

I used to think Wlad was bad for heavyweight boxing, but every time Haye's name is mentioned, I remember that there's someone far worse.

I would say Ibragimov and Haye come to mind, both those guys had a good chance to beat him.

Originally Posted by tysonesque

You might as well have named this thread "David Haye didn't try enough against Wlad."

I used to think Wlad was bad for heavyweight boxing, but every time Haye's name is mentioned, I remember that there's someone far worse.

Truth be told Wlad has kept the title clean in the sense he has beaten all these chumps who would have lost to one another anyway as they are all so bad.

Wlad has done us a favour which we will appreciate when he leaves the game.

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by tysonesque

You might as well have named this thread "David Haye didn't try enough against Wlad."

I used to think Wlad was bad for heavyweight boxing, but every time Haye's name is mentioned, I remember that there's someone far worse.

Truth be told Wlad has kept the title clean in the sense he has beaten all these chumps who would have lost to one another anyway as they are all so bad.

Wlad has done us a favour which we will appreciate when he leaves the game.

You might be right.

All I see right now is a dreadful champion in a dreadful heavyweight division. God knows how bad it's going to be once Wlad does call it a day. If Joshua turns out to be a fraud there really is no hope.

I suppose Fury beating Wlad would be good for heavyweight boxing purely because he's a colourful character, but that's about it.

Wald has been Champ for 10 years that in it self is something to use him not being the worse. I mean got Tyson who lost to fucking 40-1 underdog near his peak that shit is a laugh and then goes on to lose to a older Holyfeild and Lennox the top comp of his day. Holyfeild my favorite fighter was up and down as a champ unbeatable to a guy having a heart attack the next. Being champ that long is not easy because shit happens and you can be ended in a punch by much lesser guys. Look at Lewis loses all his skill when to shit and he got koed not to mention having the fight of his live with Mecer his skills should of out boxed him not problem shit happens though. This era is no worse then 20's,30's,40's,50's,60's,80's, and the 00's the only ones way better are the 70's and the 90's thats it people need look at these decades.

Uh... wrong thread.

This isn't another thread about how good is or isn't Wlad.
This is a thread of which and how many fighters didn't try hard enough against Wlad.

The answer is, and continues to be: A LOT.

However you rank Wlad among heavyweights, there is no escaping the fact that many..... MANY of Wlad's opponents completely underwhelmed on fight night. That has been my pet peeve since Day One. Read back through the fighters named on here, and you'll see what I mean. You mention Tyson losing to Douglas..... well Douglas came to fight. He put on the performance of his entire career. He wasn't scared of Tyson. See the difference?

Originally Posted by TitoFan

However you rank Wlad among heavyweights, there is no escaping the fact that many..... MANY of Wlad's opponents completely underwhelmed on fight night.

Yeah but that seems like quite the coincidence, doesn't it? Guys look great, they're knocking everyone out, then they fight Wlad and they look like shit. I don't these guys are not doing it out of the kindness of their heart, that they are all huge Wlad fans and couldn't bare to see him lose.

That's what a master boxer does, he's the ring general and he controls and tames his opponent. It's the same thing Lennox did, it's what Floyd does, and you get guys looking underwhelming against them because they're controlled. Lennox turned an absolute murderer in David Tua into a teddy bear in their fight. Floyd limited Pac to less punches thrown than Floyd threw. It's not an accident. These guys control range and angles so well it makes guys have to work extra hard to get into punching position and have to sell themselves out so they run the risk of running into a counter.

It's easier said than done to throw on a guy like Wlad who has one-punch power in both hands, is constantly in position to dart away from the punch and is constantly jabbing to keep you off balance. It's the mark of a great fighter to do what Wlad does.

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by TitoFan

However you rank Wlad among heavyweights, there is no escaping the fact that many..... MANY of Wlad's opponents completely underwhelmed on fight night.

Yeah but that seems like quite the coincidence, doesn't it? Guys look great, they're knocking everyone out, then they fight Wlad and they look like shit. I don't these guys are not doing it out of the kindness of their heart, that they are all huge Wlad fans and couldn't bare to see him lose.

That's what a master boxer does, he's the ring general and he controls and tames his opponent. It's the same thing Lennox did, it's what Floyd does, and you get guys looking underwhelming against them because they're controlled. Lennox turned an absolute murderer in David Tua into a teddy bear in their fight. Floyd limited Pac to less punches thrown than Floyd threw. It's not an accident. These guys control range and angles so well it makes guys have to work extra hard to get into punching position and have to sell themselves out so they run the risk of running into a counter.

It's easier said than done to throw on a guy like Wlad who has one-punch power in both hands, is constantly in position to dart away from the punch and is constantly jabbing to keep you off balance. It's the mark of a great fighter to do what Wlad does.

You're giving Wlad's opponents waaaay too much credit, IMO. Did you see the Ray Austin fight? Tell me at what point Austin appeared to throw a punch in anger at Wlad. How about Sultan? Twelve miserable rounds of incessant pawing at an opponent (Wlad) who, curiously, was just as scared of getting tagged with Sultan's vaunted left hand. Haye? As was said earlier, if Haye didn't break Guinness records in trash talking before the fight..... he came pretty damn close. And what did he do in the fight? Diddly squat..... and then proceeded to blame his big toe.

The only one I'll give you is Povetkin. The guy put in an honest effort, and tried to win. What nobody foresaw, however, were Wlad's ridiculous mauling, grappling and fouling tactics. Whatever it takes to win.

The Pianetas and Leapais of the world probably wanted to win, too. But they were so ridiculously outgunned (and never should've been there in the first place).... it's difficult to give Wlad credit on those as well.

No. Wlad's collective opponents get no break in my book. I may have to grudgingly give Wlad credit for dominating the division for the last forever years. But I'm not about to let the collective heap of garbage that has paraded in front of Wlad off the hook.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by TitoFan

However you rank Wlad among heavyweights, there is no escaping the fact that many..... MANY of Wlad's opponents completely underwhelmed on fight night.

Yeah but that seems like quite the coincidence, doesn't it? Guys look great, they're knocking everyone out, then they fight Wlad and they look like shit. I don't these guys are not doing it out of the kindness of their heart, that they are all huge Wlad fans and couldn't bare to see him lose.

That's what a master boxer does, he's the ring general and he controls and tames his opponent. It's the same thing Lennox did, it's what Floyd does, and you get guys looking underwhelming against them because they're controlled. Lennox turned an absolute murderer in David Tua into a teddy bear in their fight. Floyd limited Pac to less punches thrown than Floyd threw. It's not an accident. These guys control range and angles so well it makes guys have to work extra hard to get into punching position and have to sell themselves out so they run the risk of running into a counter.

It's easier said than done to throw on a guy like Wlad who has one-punch power in both hands, is constantly in position to dart away from the punch and is constantly jabbing to keep you off balance. It's the mark of a great fighter to do what Wlad does.

You're giving Wlad's opponents waaaay too much credit, IMO. Did you see the Ray Austin fight? Tell me at what point Austin appeared to throw a punch in anger at Wlad. How about Sultan? Twelve miserable rounds of incessant pawing at an opponent (Wlad) who, curiously, was just as scared of getting tagged with Sultan's vaunted left hand. Haye? As was said earlier, if Haye didn't break Guinness records in trash talking before the fight..... he came pretty damn close. And what did he do in the fight? Diddly squat..... and then proceeded to blame his big toe.

The only one I'll give you is Povetkin. The guy put in an honest effort, and tried to win. What nobody foresaw, however, were Wlad's ridiculous mauling, grappling and fouling tactics. Whatever it takes to win.

The Pianetas and Leapais of the world probably wanted to win, too. But they were so ridiculously outgunned (and never should've been there in the first place).... it's difficult to give Wlad credit on those as well.

No. Wlad's collective opponents get no break in my book. I may have to grudgingly give Wlad credit for dominating the division for the last forever years. But I'm not about to let the collective heap of garbage that has paraded in front of Wlad off the hook.

You have said it best right here.

Now I'LL say this:

Wladimir Klitschko sucks shit.

How is this any different then Tyson opponents being scared of him before the walked into the ring. Then have Louis fighting fucking bar tenders this is not something new really dude. I mean got a guy with knock out power, reach, knows all the tricks and is a athletic freak. I do not think his opponents are that great but out of all the fights Wald has had he had a few were got iced. Since then he kinda got his style down to make everyone to look like shit because it is hard to deal with a great boxer who has power and size over them. I mean say he were a heavyweight what would you do to get Wald out there with out the fear of getting iced the or be stopped in your tracks by his jab it would be huge wake up call in the fight knowing that you are out of your league when you get hit it throws a person off pretty much.

Originally Posted by Mr140

How is this any different then Tyson opponents being scared of him before the walked into the ring. Then have Louis fighting fucking bar tenders this is not something new really dude. I mean got a guy with knock out power, reach, knows all the tricks and is a athletic freak. I do not think his opponents are that great but out of all the fights Wald has had he had a few were got iced. Since then he kinda got his style down to make everyone to look like shit because it is hard to deal with a great boxer who has power and size over them. I mean say he were a heavyweight what would you do to get Wald out there with out the fear of getting iced the or be stopped in your tracks by his jab it would be huge wake up call in the fight knowing that you are out of your league when you get hit it throws a person off pretty much.

Good points.

Tyson fought Razor Ruddock (twice), Golota, lost to Douglas, Holyfield (twice), Lewis. Ruddock was a feared puncher, and they staged classic fights. Golota was a bit dumb, on account he couldn't help getting DQ'ed against Bowe. But none of these guys went in there scared. Now go back and watch Wlad-Austin, Wlad-Sultan, Wlad-Haye. Compared to the Tyson fights, they were shit. All those bums went in looking for a place to land.

Wlad fights fall into one of three categories:

1. Opponent goes in like sacrificial lamb. Wlad decides the guy poses no danger. Quick knockout. Shit fight.

2. Opponent turns in a fair effort, but is a bum to begin with (Pianeta, Leapai). Wlad knows this... keeps them at bay with jab. Knocks them out.

3. Opponent is an actual danger to Wlad. Wlad knows this. Wlad grapples, holds, clinches, and mauls. Opponent is frustrated, gets wild, makes himself open... Wlad scores enough to win.


End of.

Wlad's opponents have turned in abysmal efforts... end of story.
When did anyone ever complain about Tyson fights being shit?
"Never" is the correct answer.
Yeah, Tyson had his share of scared opponents... but he also had the Ruddocks and the Tony Tuckers and the Golotas.
When Tyson was reigning over the division, the division was popular.
Where is the division's popularity now?
In the shitter..... is the correct answer.

So in summary.... whether you rate Wlad high or low in the alltime HW list.... his opponents have the worst in HW history... hands down.

Tito the division is huge over seas with Europe and Russia what are talking about. Wald fills out stadiums and is watch on tv by everyone there shit the leader of Russia has him attend all the party and functions there i say he is the most poplar hw there been because Holyfeild, Tyson, and Lewis were not asked by the leader of the countries to hang out all time. I would like a great heavyweight champ but if we just view how popular things are by our country then you are kinda missing a bigger picture. Wald last few fights i thought were pretty good had a good ko and a good pace decision there were god awful or anything dude. Wald has had some good opponents but he kinda shut them down so hard that i not really going to blame them for it really because there facing atg who is fucking huge and can box.

Pretty much every challenger to wvlad accepted defeat and gave up mentally. All except Povetkin. I dont think that accusation could be levelled at him. He kept trying and fought out of his skin but wvlad was pretty dirty that night. Heavyweight vs super heavyweight but it was a good learning experience for the Russian who hadn't dealt with that style before
Hayes performance was very disappointing given all his talk before the fight