Thread: Joshua and Haye both agree that they will fight each other!

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by Fenster

I'd back the current Povetkin to KO the current Wlad, as long as there was a proper ref that wouldn't allow Wlad to keep getting piggybacks

It was only 2 years ago Wlad destroyed him. Povetkin looked better since but Povetkins style is suited to Wlads jab and hold. Id fancy Povetkin to beat Fury but doubt hed beat Wlad.

Just seen the full Joshua fight sober. Very impressed with Joshua tbh. He got caught with a big shot in the 2nd and recovered quickly. Apart from that it was complete dominance. Whyte v Chisora would be a decent scrap to measure if Whyte is actually any use. Joshua v Fury would be a cracker for the end of this year but Id say its more likely a stadium fight in 2017 but they run the risk of Fury losing before then as surely hell have to fight some top opposition. Id still back Joshua at pick em if they were to fight this summer.

You still dnt rate Tyson Fury?

Yes he will be fighting top opposition. The second best heavy in the world. Hes just beaten who was the best heavy in the world.

It makes me laugh how still people are saying Fury will get beaten by the likes of Povetkin etc when hes just proven hes head and shoulders above everyone else.

Its like the Klitschko fight didnt even happen

See, the thing about Fury is that although he achieved the seemingly to some (me included) impossible by beating Wlad, with hindsight , Wlad was made for him. Hindsight is a wonderful luxury and it doesn't take anything away from Fury's achievement.
However, styles make fights and I think although Fury has decent skill and uses his reach well, the majority of people believe that other fighters apart from Wlad will show a lot more ambition and will not worry about taking shots in order to get in distance to fire their own.
I think most HW's are prepared to do this because they THINK Fury is not a heavy puncher and that he is also susceptible to being floored. Time will tell, but for Fury , it's only the start of the journey. If he continues where he left off with Wlad, he'll soon start to bring round the sceptics like me. Personally, I think he could beat Wlad in a rematch, he could probably beat Wilder, but my personal opinion is that, Joshua, Povetkin, Pulev perhaps, and possibly others could beat Fury.Time will tell.

I thought that Haye did retire. Oh well, seems like he just found a way to be talked about.

Originally Posted by Nameless

I thought that Haye did retire. Oh well, seems like he just found a way to be talked about.

I genuinely believe he was allowing time to heal from his injuries.That toe takesat least 2 good years to heal properly.

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by Nameless

I thought that Haye did retire. Oh well, seems like he just found a way to be talked about.

I genuinely believe he was allowing time to heal from his injuries.That toe takesat least 2 good years to heal properly.

He was waiting for the dust to settle and Tyson to find another route.

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by Nameless

I thought that Haye did retire. Oh well, seems like he just found a way to be talked about.

I genuinely believe he was allowing time to heal from his injuries.That toe takesat least 2 good years to heal properly.

He was waiting for the dust to settle and Tyson to find another route.

Perfect timing to see Wlad lose.

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by Nameless

I thought that Haye did retire. Oh well, seems like he just found a way to be talked about.

I genuinely believe he was allowing time to heal from his injuries.That toe takesat least 2 good years to heal properly.

He was waiting for the dust to settle and Tyson to find another route.

Perfect timing to see Wlad lose.

He was hoping Wlad was going to win as was Hearn. They were all hoping Fury wasnt the real deal because if he was hes going to be very difficult to beat whereas Wlad was going to be ripe for the taking hopefully at some point in the future with all those belts.

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by Fenster

I'd back the current Povetkin to KO the current Wlad, as long as there was a proper ref that wouldn't allow Wlad to keep getting piggybacks

It was only 2 years ago Wlad destroyed him. Povetkin looked better since but Povetkins style is suited to Wlads jab and hold. Id fancy Povetkin to beat Fury but doubt hed beat Wlad.

Just seen the full Joshua fight sober. Very impressed with Joshua tbh. He got caught with a big shot in the 2nd and recovered quickly. Apart from that it was complete dominance. Whyte v Chisora would be a decent scrap to measure if Whyte is actually any use. Joshua v Fury would be a cracker for the end of this year but Id say its more likely a stadium fight in 2017 but they run the risk of Fury losing before then as surely hell have to fight some top opposition. Id still back Joshua at pick em if they were to fight this summer.

You still dnt rate Tyson Fury?

Yes he will be fighting top opposition. The second best heavy in the world. Hes just beaten who was the best heavy in the world.

It makes me laugh how still people are saying Fury will get beaten by the likes of Povetkin etc when hes just proven hes head and shoulders above everyone else.

Its like the Klitschko fight didnt even happen

Styles make fights Ross. I do rate Fury. As I said earlier in the year I had backed him to win a world title. I think guys like Povetkin and Ortiz would be a nightmare for Fury imo.

I dont see how my views here differ from how you were saying Eubank would beat Saunders when Saunders had faced and beaten far better opposition then Eubank had?

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by Fenster

I'd back the current Povetkin to KO the current Wlad, as long as there was a proper ref that wouldn't allow Wlad to keep getting piggybacks

It was only 2 years ago Wlad destroyed him. Povetkin looked better since but Povetkins style is suited to Wlads jab and hold. Id fancy Povetkin to beat Fury but doubt hed beat Wlad.

Just seen the full Joshua fight sober. Very impressed with Joshua tbh. He got caught with a big shot in the 2nd and recovered quickly. Apart from that it was complete dominance. Whyte v Chisora would be a decent scrap to measure if Whyte is actually any use. Joshua v Fury would be a cracker for the end of this year but Id say its more likely a stadium fight in 2017 but they run the risk of Fury losing before then as surely hell have to fight some top opposition. Id still back Joshua at pick em if they were to fight this summer.

You still dnt rate Tyson Fury?

Yes he will be fighting top opposition. The second best heavy in the world. Hes just beaten who was the best heavy in the world.

It makes me laugh how still people are saying Fury will get beaten by the likes of Povetkin etc when hes just proven hes head and shoulders above everyone else.

Its like the Klitschko fight didnt even happen

Styles make fights Ross. I do rate Fury. As I said earlier in the year I had backed him to win a world title. I think guys like Povetkin and Ortiz would be a nightmare for Fury imo.

I dont see how my views here differ from how you were saying Eubank would beat Saunders when Saunders had faced and beaten far better opposition then Eubank had?

Well in alot of peoples views including one of the judges he did beat Saunders. Saunders scraped through that fight as much as Eubank started late. Those early rounds Saunders wasnt doing anything more than Eubank.

Ortiz Tyson will have problems with. Povetkin I dont think so at all.

I think Wilder beats Povetkin anyway.

The result of the fight doesnt matter. It was all opinions pre fight. Whether you are right or wrong it has to be based on something and I dont see how you can its wrong for me to think Povetkin could beat Fury because Fury has beaten better opposition then him. Id have Fury as a slight fav on neutral but as fight more likely to take place in Russia Id prob have Povetkin as fav.

I still think Furys power is a problem at the top level and think he might struggle to KO the top guys in the division which is always a big downfall at heavyweight. Time will tell. Great division at the moment if fights actually get made.

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

The result of the fight doesnt matter. It was all opinions pre fight. Whether you are right or wrong it has to be based on something and I dont see how you can its wrong for me to think Povetkin could beat Fury because Fury has beaten better opposition then him. Id have Fury as a slight fav on neutral but as fight more likely to take place in Russia Id prob have Povetkin as fav.

I still think Furys power is a problem at the top level and think he might struggle to KO the top guys in the division which is always a big downfall at heavyweight. Time will tell. Great division at the moment if fights actually get made.

Fury has power. He doesnt fight to load up and take people out but can drop people with quick shots they dont see coming.mAbel isnt a great example because hes been stopped early a few times but Tyson was getting rounds against him and every time he got tagged he retaliated and dropped Abell. Pulev took a round longer and got dropped for his troubles. Fury is also one of the few heavyweights who can hurt an opponent and drop them with body shots. He has power but saccrifices it for speed and movement. If he has someone hurt he will take them out.

Also, bear this in mind. Which top heavy at the moment hasnt been hurt, dropped, wobbled or stopped?

None of them have granite chins. Povetkin nearly got taken out by a cruiser weight and I never see him criticised like Fury was with Cunningham. At least Fury managed to KO Cunningham, no one else has. Povetkin couldnt take out Huck and only got a MD, so is Povetkins power a worry?

Povetkins KO of Perez shows he has power that one punch KO power. Id also say that Povetkin and Ortiz both throw very good body shots too. Fury obviously has power given his size but is more likely to wear fighters down with repetitive shots to get a stoppage then a one punch KO, which as a heavyweight could be a problem.

Fury was lucky in that fight. His scored a KO with an illegal punch and if he was not to get DQd it could have gone to the cards for a TD and I think he was behind on the cards. I havent watched the fight in a while but if I recall correctly Cunningham more or less punched himself out, well between that and Fury leaning and wrestling him he looked out on his feet by the time of the KO.

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Povetkins KO of Perez shows he has power that one punch KO power. Id also say that Povetkin and Ortiz both throw very good body shots too. Fury obviously has power given his size but is more likely to wear fighters down with repetitive shots to get a stoppage then a one punch KO, which as a heavyweight could be a problem.

Fury was lucky in that fight. His scored a KO with an illegal punch and if he was not to get DQd it could have gone to the cards for a TD and I think he was behind on the cards. I havent watched the fight in a while but if I recall correctly Cunningham more or less punched himself out, well between that and Fury leaning and wrestling him he looked out on his feet by the time of the KO.

Well like I said I dont think Povetkin will even sell as an opponent for Fury after the Wilder fight becaus I dont see him winning.

Theres too many other bigger names out there.

What will Tysons mandatories be once hes finished with Klitschko again?

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Povetkins KO of Perez shows he has power that one punch KO power. Id also say that Povetkin and Ortiz both throw very good body shots too. Fury obviously has power given his size but is more likely to wear fighters down with repetitive shots to get a stoppage then a one punch KO, which as a heavyweight could be a problem.

Fury was lucky in that fight. His scored a KO with an illegal punch and if he was not to get DQd it could have gone to the cards for a TD and I think he was behind on the cards. I havent watched the fight in a while but if I recall correctly Cunningham more or less punched himself out, well between that and Fury leaning and wrestling him he looked out on his feet by the time of the KO.

Well like I said I dont think Povetkin will even sell as an opponent for Fury after the Wilder fight becaus I dont see him winning.

Theres too many other bigger names out there.

What will Tysons mandatories be once hes finished with Klitschko again?

IBFs gone but suppose it could be possible that he gets the mandatory spot there to fight the winner of Glazkov - Martin.

Think Ortiz is number 1 for WBA but would guess he might go for WBA regular title instead. Doubt Fury would really want him now as would be hard fight for not much money. Joshua quite high in WBO. Think Martin high in WBO too so if he beats Glazkov that fight would make sense but again not for much money. To be honest the rankings are a joke. WBO have Fury Champ, Martin 1, Joshua 2, Parker 3 and then Wlad. Wlad should surely still be just behind Fury