Thread: Shane Mosley's thoughts on a GGG-Canelo fight

Mosley: Canelo vs. Golovkin is an even fight


Interesting. All speculation regarding Canelo revolves around size. If there's not a marked size advantage, Canelo's just another fighter. Some interesting tidbits we all know, such as Canelo walking around at close to 180 pounds. We all know this. Which is why the weight at which Canelo and GGG would fight is such a big deal. GGG hasn't budged from 160, nor should he. As the author states... at that weight it would be one-sided, with Canelo on the wrong end. But Canelo and his team will always seek to use weight as the X-factor. It's what they do. Mosley himself fought Canelo at a distinct size disadvantage (to say nothing of his being over-the-hill). One has to think hard to find fighters Canelo has fought at an even size condition. Forget weigh-ins. They've been made a sham of.... by the 30-pound rehydration habits of guys like Canelo. The author suggests that Golden Boy may try and wait out until GGG gets older. Good strategy, except maybe hopefully the public won't buy into that crap and force the issue.

It's really too bad we can't get fighters fighting at the same size anymore.... and more and more fighters (well..... maybe just a handful) are depending on the 20-30 pound advantage to offset their lack of skill. Other than heavyweight, I'd much rather see two evenly-sized guys going at it, instead of a smaller guy trying to survive against a much bigger guy.

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

Originally Posted by p4pking

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

IMO, the only guys he hasn't had either a size or an "over-the-hill" advantage on are: Lara and Trout.
The rest fall into one of those categories.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by p4pking

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

IMO, the only guys he hasn't had either a size or an "over-the-hill" advantage on are: Lara and Trout.
The rest fall into one of those categories.

Floyd? He came down to 150 or so for that, showed he was willing to go both ways with it at least. I don't think anyone was saying Cotto was over the hill either, and it's a bit unfair to just say that after the fact. The weight suited them both fine, Cotto probably couldn't have made much lower and was/is still a damn good boxer.

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by p4pking

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

IMO, the only guys he hasn't had either a size or an "over-the-hill" advantage on are: Lara and Trout.
The rest fall into one of those categories.

Floyd? He came down to 150 or so for that, showed he was willing to go both ways with it at least. I don't think anyone was saying Cotto was over the hill either, and it's a bit unfair to just say that after the fact. The weight suited them both fine, Cotto probably couldn't have made much lower and was/is still a damn good boxer.

He was bigger than both Floyd and Cotto at fight time. Difference is Floyd overwhelmed him with his superior speed and boxing skills, pitching a shutout. Very few, if any, exchanges between Floyd and Canelo. Cotto was also noticeably smaller in the ring. In this case it worked to Cotto's detriment. He tagged Canelo numerous times... but Canelo would basically shrug them off. He imposed his size on Cotto in what was a closer fight than most people would've thought.

I might be wrong, but I just think whenever Canelo fights someone good his own size, be it GGG or someone else.... he might be in for a rude awakening. Which is why I hope GGG sticks to his guns and demands to meet Canelo at 160.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by p4pking

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

IMO, the only guys he hasn't had either a size or an "over-the-hill" advantage on are: Lara and Trout.
The rest fall into one of those categories.

Floyd? He came down to 150 or so for that, showed he was willing to go both ways with it at least. I don't think anyone was saying Cotto was over the hill either, and it's a bit unfair to just say that after the fact. The weight suited them both fine, Cotto probably couldn't have made much lower and was/is still a damn good boxer.

He was bigger than both Floyd and Cotto at fight time. Difference is Floyd overwhelmed him with his superior speed and boxing skills, pitching a shutout. Very few, if any, exchanges between Floyd and Canelo. Cotto was also noticeably smaller in the ring. In this case it worked to Cotto's detriment. He tagged Canelo numerous times... but Canelo would basically shrug them off. He imposed his size on Cotto in what was a closer fight than most people would've thought.

I might be wrong, but I just think whenever Canelo fights someone good his own size, be it GGG or someone else.... he might be in for a rude awakening. Which is why I hope GGG sticks to his guns and demands to meet Canelo at 160.

Why is weight so critical for a Canelo/GGG fight? GGG has been saying for years that he can make 154, so what's wrong with 155? GGGs fans have been saying for years that he is a small MW in spite of his 30 day weigh ins. If he is small and can make 154 then it shouldn't matter. Why talk about how big Canelo is then say GGG needs the weight higher? All these things seem contradictory.

I don't like Canelo and I definitely don't like the 155 BS but if GGG is so small as has been claimed forever(in spite of him saying he will go to 168 for various weaker opponents) it shouldn't matter. If GGG is so small at 5'10 and Canelo is so big at 5'7 as has been claimed then a lower weight should favor the oh so tiny GGG. Or perhaps GGG just isn't as oh so tiny as fans claim.(which would be supported by the fact he fought at a higher weight than now over a decade ago)

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by p4pking

I don't think it's an even fight at all, Shane I'm guessing hasn't been in the ring with Golovkin anyways. I do think CAnelo would take the fight and that it would be competitive in some ways, don't expect his people to go for it but you never know. Lara was a very risky fight for him, he deserves some benefit of the doubt here until he shows other plans.

I think it's as much of a joke as anyone else that he holds the "middleweight" title and can make guys go below 160, but he hansn't really had an unfair advantage over anyone yet, I don't think? Can hardly spin the catch weights as an edge he had on Floyd or Cotto.

IMO, the only guys he hasn't had either a size or an "over-the-hill" advantage on are: Lara and Trout.
The rest fall into one of those categories.

Floyd? He came down to 150 or so for that, showed he was willing to go both ways with it at least. I don't think anyone was saying Cotto was over the hill either, and it's a bit unfair to just say that after the fact. The weight suited them both fine, Cotto probably couldn't have made much lower and was/is still a damn good boxer.

He was bigger than both Floyd and Cotto at fight time. Difference is Floyd overwhelmed him with his superior speed and boxing skills, pitching a shutout. Very few, if any, exchanges between Floyd and Canelo. Cotto was also noticeably smaller in the ring. In this case it worked to Cotto's detriment. He tagged Canelo numerous times... but Canelo would basically shrug them off. He imposed his size on Cotto in what was a closer fight than most people would've thought.

I might be wrong, but I just think whenever Canelo fights someone good his own size, be it GGG or someone else.... he might be in for a rude awakening. Which is why I hope GGG sticks to his guns and demands to meet Canelo at 160.

Why is weight so critical for a Canelo/GGG fight? GGG has been saying for years that he can make 154, so what's wrong with 155? GGGs fans have been saying for years that he is a small MW in spite of his 30 day weigh ins. If he is small and can make 154 then it shouldn't matter. Why talk about how big Canelo is then say GGG needs the weight higher? All these things seem contradictory.

I don't like Canelo and I definitely don't like the 155 BS but if GGG is so small as has been claimed forever(in spite of him saying he will go to 168 for various weaker opponents) it shouldn't matter. If GGG is so small at 5'10 and Canelo is so big at 5'7 as has been claimed then a lower weight should favor the oh so tiny GGG. Or perhaps GGG just isn't as oh so tiny as fans claim.(which would be supported by the fact he fought at a higher weight than now over a decade ago)

I've never heard any of those claims by GGG. All I've ever heard is I'll only fight at 160. In fact, he's been at 160 since Day One. That he should have to drop to 155 for Canelo is ludicrous. I don't like Canelo either.... and I'm dying for him to fight an elite fighter his own size. Canelo at 155 is like a woman trying to squeeze into a pair of jeans two sizes too small. She'll eventually get into them, but she'll be busting at the seams. Man up and fight at your natural weight.

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Why is weight so critical for a Canelo/GGG fight? GGG has been saying for years that he can make 154, so what's wrong with 155? GGGs fans have been saying for years that he is a small MW in spite of his 30 day weigh ins. If he is small and can make 154 then it shouldn't matter. Why talk about how big Canelo is then say GGG needs the weight higher? All these things seem contradictory.

I don't like Canelo and I definitely don't like the 155 BS but if GGG is so small as has been claimed forever(in spite of him saying he will go to 168 for various weaker opponents) it shouldn't matter. If GGG is so small at 5'10 and Canelo is so big at 5'7 as has been claimed then a lower weight should favor the oh so tiny GGG. Or perhaps GGG just isn't as oh so tiny as fans claim.(which would be supported by the fact he fought at a higher weight than now over a decade ago)

Why? Are you serious? Well why did Alvarez get a 160 title on false pretenses and why does he continue to defend it fraudulently? Why should Golovkin do squat when its the 160 division and he's the real champion? How is it Alvarez is above Golovkin in Ring magazine and other rankings using a fraudulent piece of paper? Why cant Alvarez defend the 160 title at 160 when he walks to the ring heavier then Golovkin does. He's 175 on fight night. Who is the bigger man? How can this guy even consider himself to be a middleweight champion. Perhaps he's to stupid to be embarrassed. Tell that WBC baby brat to fight at 160 or leave the fucking division PERIOD!

I'm glad that K2 has told them its at 160 or vacate because as a mandatory challenger he's not obligated to a fake weight.

Just in case anyone hadn't noticed this particular situation pisses me off like no other in this sport because its so blatant.

How can any reasonable hard core fan accept this horseshit even if one is in love with the guy? Aren’t people just sick of this kid? He's as big a fraud as Chavez Jr and people freakin lap it up. The facts don’t even matter. Its hilarious. How does something this plastic garner fan support? Boxing is supposed to be different then pro wrestling.

To paraphrase/borrow in part a line from Oswald Spengler, you know when boxing is in disastrous decline when its leadership and its structure becomes a caricature of itself





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Originally Posted by IamInuit

Just in case anyone hadn't noticed this particular situation pisses me off like no other in this sport because its so blatant.

How can any reasonable hard core fan accept this horseshit even if one is in love with the guy? Aren’t people just sick of this kid? He's as big a fraud as Chavez Jr and people freakin lap it up. The facts don’t even matter. Its hilarious. How does something this plastic garner fan support? Boxing is supposed to be different then pro wrestling.

To paraphrase/borrow in part a line from Oswald Spengler, you know when boxing is in disastrous decline when its leadership and its structure becomes a caricature of itself





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Mosley has sparred with Golovkin (it's on youtube). All he said is - Canelo/GGG are the same size so it's an even fight. Cotto is too small for GGG. Ward is too big.

The ginger has fought every top guy pretty much besides GGG so to say he is like Chavez is plain dumb. I don't see why he would not fight him at his weight Canelo has fought at every weight demanded of him i really do not see why people have problem with fighter who fights everyone.

Also the catch weights that he has fought at were demanded by Mayweather and Cotto not him and in the end he went with the weight they wanted. Canelo has fought Trout,Lara,Mayweather and Cotto how anyone could say he is ducking or not willing fight someone makes like no sense.

I agree. It's a sham that someone can be the middleweight champion without fighting there, but on paper, as far as the fights have gone, I don't think CAnelo deserves much flack just yet. Don't hate the playa, comes to mind Cotto wasn't going to fight anyone at a different weight than he did Canelo, and he was somehow the middleweight champion beforehand, it's just a continuation really.

Yea i dont really get it i mean the guy has not asked for a catch weight yet and he has fought everyone that is around his weight i really do not understand were this is coming from. Also everyone in boxing cuts weight now it is apart of the sport as much as anything else is.