Thread: Was Khan ever the top guy at 140??

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by powerpuncher

No. Bradley was recognized as the top 140 guy when khan was there. He ducked Bradley so he never became the top guy. Then he was knocked out by Garcia who then became the top guy when Bradley moved up. At 135, he was still up and coming and got knocked out by Prescott.

I've only been really impressed by him in one fight and that was the maidana fight. I thought he showed heart and great skill. He has never showed that again.

100% spot on.

I may be mistaken but Im pretty sure Bradley ducked Khan? Well at lest chose to fight Alexander ahead of him

You are mistaken

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by powerpuncher

No. Bradley was recognized as the top 140 guy when khan was there. He ducked Bradley so he never became the top guy. Then he was knocked out by Garcia who then became the top guy when Bradley moved up. At 135, he was still up and coming and got knocked out by Prescott.

I've only been really impressed by him in one fight and that was the maidana fight. I thought he showed heart and great skill. He has never showed that again.

100% spot on.

I may be mistaken but Im pretty sure Bradley ducked Khan? Well at lest chose to fight Alexander ahead of him

You are mistaken

I was being modest. Im never mistaken

Modestly mistaken

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by Fenster

Khan didn't "duck" Bradley at 140, Bradley turned down a career high payday.

Anyone that thinks Khan doesn't have an impressive record, especially at 140, is setting the bar extremely high.

Kotelnik, Paulie, Maidana, Zab, Peterson (debatable loss). That's some seriously impressive world-class form in my book.

Kotelnik - easiest World champion to beat at the time- FACT.
Pauli - Decent fighter, haven't they all beaten Pauli though?
Maidana - Best win of Khan's career by a mile. Nearly managed to lose it in the 10th though.
Peterson- a loss is a loss! Are we gonna start counting "debatable losses" now are we? Besides, it's not the fact he lost, it's the fact he went into the fight thinking it was an easy fight and talking of upcoming bouts after he's beat Peterson. So even if he scraped a win, it would be classed as a disappointing performance because it was supposed to be so easy.
He's shit , and that's that.

Well, as I said, some fans obviously set the bar far higher than me. Only a seriously good world-class fighter would beat that mob (IMO).

I think Khan beat Peterson, so it's no different than you reasoning that he was lucky to get through the 10th round against Maidana. And Kotelnik was underrated because he wasn't American.

The only difference is that I'm giving Khan the Maidana fight, and I'm saying it's his best ever performance.
I'm not disputing it as a debatable loss.
He beat Maidana , he lost to Peterson. And like I said before, even if he had scraped through against Petertson (which I don't think he did btw.), it couldn't have been seen as a great or even good performance.

Fair enough.

I don't think a close loss to Peterson is bad form though (even though he didn't lose )

Originally Posted by Fenster

Fair enough.

I don't think a close loss to Peterson is bad form though (even though he didn't lose )

Ha ha. No worries. I'm just going on what we knew at the time. With the benefit of hindsight , I would agree about Peterson.

No he was never the top of anything all the talent in the world but his chin is shit and he makes dumb moves in the ring at times. In the end that what makes it fun got a guy that can punch who is fast and has one worst chins ever for a champ just makes for a fun fight regardless.

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by Fenster

Khan didn't "duck" Bradley at 140, Bradley turned down a career high payday.

Anyone that thinks Khan doesn't have an impressive record, especially at 140, is setting the bar extremely high.

Kotelnik, Paulie, Maidana, Zab, Peterson (debatable loss). That's some seriously impressive world-class form in my book.

Kotelnik - easiest World champion to beat at the time- FACT.
Pauli - Decent fighter, haven't they all beaten Pauli though?
Maidana - Best win of Khan's career by a mile. Nearly managed to lose it in the 10th though.
Peterson- a loss is a loss! Are we gonna start counting "debatable losses" now are we? Besides, it's not the fact he lost, it's the fact he went into the fight thinking it was an easy fight and talking of upcoming bouts after he's beat Peterson. So even if he scraped a win, it would be classed as a disappointing performance because it was supposed to be so easy.
He's shit , and that's that.

The Alexander win is the best by a mile. The performance was excellent.

Originally Posted by ono

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by Fenster

Khan didn't "duck" Bradley at 140, Bradley turned down a career high payday.

Anyone that thinks Khan doesn't have an impressive record, especially at 140, is setting the bar extremely high.

Kotelnik, Paulie, Maidana, Zab, Peterson (debatable loss). That's some seriously impressive world-class form in my book.

Kotelnik - easiest World champion to beat at the time- FACT.
Pauli - Decent fighter, haven't they all beaten Pauli though?
Maidana - Best win of Khan's career by a mile. Nearly managed to lose it in the 10th though.
Peterson- a loss is a loss! Are we gonna start counting "debatable losses" now are we? Besides, it's not the fact he lost, it's the fact he went into the fight thinking it was an easy fight and talking of upcoming bouts after he's beat Peterson. So even if he scraped a win, it would be classed as a disappointing performance because it was supposed to be so easy.
He's shit , and that's that.

The Alexander win is the best by a mile. The performance was excellent.

If he had beaten Alexander before Bradley did then that would have meant he was the man at 140lb.

Originally Posted by ono

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by Fenster

Khan didn't "duck" Bradley at 140, Bradley turned down a career high payday.

Anyone that thinks Khan doesn't have an impressive record, especially at 140, is setting the bar extremely high.

Kotelnik, Paulie, Maidana, Zab, Peterson (debatable loss). That's some seriously impressive world-class form in my book.

Kotelnik - easiest World champion to beat at the time- FACT.
Pauli - Decent fighter, haven't they all beaten Pauli though?
Maidana - Best win of Khan's career by a mile. Nearly managed to lose it in the 10th though.
Peterson- a loss is a loss! Are we gonna start counting "debatable losses" now are we? Besides, it's not the fact he lost, it's the fact he went into the fight thinking it was an easy fight and talking of upcoming bouts after he's beat Peterson. So even if he scraped a win, it would be classed as a disappointing performance because it was supposed to be so easy.
He's shit , and that's that.

The Alexander win is the best by a mile. The performance was excellent.

When he beat Maidana , it was a World title fight between 2 of the top 5 or 6 in that division at the time.
When he beat Alexander, Alexander had already reached his limit and had been exposed , for want of a better word. It was a fight where both fighters were probably struggling to be in the top 10 of that division at the time. Yes , Khan boxed Alexander's ears off, but Alexander was shite!

Have to agree with Primo as Devon had just lost to Porter.

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by Fenster

Fair enough.

I don't think a close loss to Peterson is bad form though (even though he didn't lose )

Ha ha. No worries. I'm just going on what we knew at the time. With the benefit of hindsight , I would agree about Peterson.

Amir Khan says compulsory drug testing must be introduced in boxing in an attempt to clean up the sport.

The British former light-welterweight world champion lost his WBA and IBF belts to Lamont Peterson in December but the Washington fighter has recently failed a drug test.

Khan, 25, told BBC Radio 5 live that taking on Peterson had been "like fighting two people".

"All fighters should be tested before and after a fight," he added.

"It will make the sport cleaner and that's what we need."

The Bolton-based fighter had been due to meet Peterson in a rematch of their controversial December bout on Saturday.

But the fight was cancelled after Peterson tested positive for synthetic testosterone.

Peterson says he took the testosterone for medical reasons and has rejected calls from Khan to surrender his WBA and IBF belts.

But Khan said: "I think he knows deep down he did wrong. It's a shame the fight didn't happen. I trained out of my skin and wanted to win those titles back."

Peterson has apologised for the fight being cancelled but Khan said: "It will take more than an apology for what happened last December, my life was at risk. One punch can change a fighter's life.

"The way he kept coming forward after he was put down twice in the first round, the way he was recovering, I knew this was not the same Lamont Peterson I had been watching in videos, this guy was totally different.

"It was like fighting two people in the ring. I was hurting him and putting him down and he was still coming forward.

"I have fought big punchers like Marcos Maidana and other names out there and he seemed to punch harder, be a lot fitter than them. It just shows that performance enhancing drugs do make a difference and I saw the difference.

"He should be punished for what he did."

Khan said he now wanted the independent Voluntary Anti-Doping Association to be involved before and after all his future fights and hoped more fighters would follow suit.