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    Default Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    Now of course I want you guys to think up who are the up and comers and young guns of 154-160 and how they would do vs Canelo during his prime or down the road when he fights them or ducks them...but I really want all you bastards to tell me how Alvarez would (or wouldn't) handle boxing's best from 147-160 champions, contenders, hell even some journeymen who had the style the skill the tools to beat Canelo and who could Canelo beat?

    I think hypothetically you've got some absolute battles when you bring up Mayorga, Vargas, Margarito, and Cotto (in his prime mind you).

    I think Canelo would have been absolutely schooled by Hopkins, Martinez, Leonard.

    How much would you pay to watch Julian Jackson vs Canelo?


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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    Leonard and Hopkins oh my God.... Leonard Would stop Canelo by the sixth round.....

    Hopkins in his prime would KTFO Canelo out by the 3rd or the 4th

    I think Miguel Cotto would have a very hard time though because of the styles

    I still would not ranked Canelo up among the top unless he beats Triple G decisively which I think he will do

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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    Canelo has a solid chin and pretty good power. He boxes decently and has decent defense. He has problems with fighters that don’t let him set his feet.

    I think in reality he is on par with someone like Fernando Vargas. A good fighter that was never a top fighter but always on the cusp of it. Canelo has struggled multiple times in his career and basically struggled against all of his best opponents. He has never had a career defining win.

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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    It is difficult to say how good Canelo is historically at middleweight because he has spent most of his career at the lower weight. He has avoided a truly great middleweight in Golovkin. Canelo may not be at his peak and could conceivably get better.

    This current version is at the level of Benn, Eubank and Watson who would beat him if it was in England.

    Think Canelo beats our other British fighters Macklin, Murray etc

    Canelo would have no chance against Roy Jones, Monzon and Hopkins.

    What a great fight it would be against Tito Trinidad and Hearns.

    Canelo beats the German fighters Sturm, Abraham etc

    Leonard was not a true middweight

    I think BJS outboxes Canelo but could see Saul beat Lemieux.
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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    I agree Canelo hasn't really done enough at 160 yet to get an idea how good he is. A KO of GGG changes all that.

    With the current crop, I think he beats Jacobs, Saunders and Jermall but could see each being controversial.

    Still some great fights to make for both the winner and loser of this weeks fight.
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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    Well if you think Canelo is too small or untested at 160 then please 147-154 who does he beat who beats him? Who would give him trouble? Who would he give trouble to?
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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    Terry Norris beats the snot out of Canelo, young Vargas, Tito, Oscar at light middle. Those fights would be entertaining.

    Think Shane Mosley and Cotto would never be big enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Well if you think Canelo is too small or untested at 160 then please 147-154 who does he beat who beats him? Who would give him trouble? Who would he give trouble to?
    Wright beats him at either weight.
    I see Pavlik beating him.
    He beats Taylor.
    I see him beating Mosley and Forrest at either weight.
    I think he beats Paul Williams.
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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    Cotto at 147 makes short work of Canelo and it wouldn't be close. As you go up in weight, Cotto's smaller frame would be his disadvantage and into Canelo's wheelhouse. Canelo beat Cotto at 155, but Cotto was very much past his prime. A prime Cotto would've probably been a different story.

    Canelo gets annihilated by any of the ATG's at 147. He probably wouldn't fare very well at MW either against the likes of Hagler, Monzon, Hopkins.

    Canelo's saving grace is his chin. He can take a shot, no doubt about that. But he gets embarrassed by great boxers, much like he was embarrassed by Floyd.

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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    Oh and pleeeeease....... Canelo is NOT too small for 160. Hasn't been for years. He fought JCC Jr. at 170 ffs.

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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Oh and pleeeeease....... Canelo is NOT too small for 160. Hasn't been for years. He fought JCC Jr. at 170 ffs.
    Exactly! Let’s not forget, a lot of these old timers had same day weigh ins. If Canelo had to do that, he’d struggle to make LHW!
    He’s never been a LMW or a MW because of these nonsensical catchweights, and I don’t really think him OR GGG stack up against many from the past. There, I said it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Oh and pleeeeease....... Canelo is NOT too small for 160. Hasn't been for years. He fought JCC Jr. at 170 ffs.
    I think Kabong was responding to me, when I said he hasn't done enough at 160 yet for me to accurately assess. Not that he is too small.
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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    I must say I think a young Vargas (prior to Tito) gives him hell.

    Quartey at 147 would be sweet.
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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    I must say I think a young Vargas (prior to Tito) gives him hell.

    Quartey at 147 would be sweet.


    Vargas-Canelo would've been a hell of an entertaining fight. Vargas would be too much for Canelo though, IMO.

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    Default Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez how does he stack up historically?

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    I must say I think a young Vargas (prior to Tito) gives him hell.

    Quartey at 147 would be sweet.


    Vargas-Canelo would've been a hell of an entertaining fight. Vargas would be too much for Canelo though, IMO.
    50/50 for me.
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