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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    The protesters in London are typical privileged cunts. Hypocrites. This gives them the chance to play the victim. "We're the last generation, we've had our future stolen" (sickening).

    Every era in history has been littered with complete and utter cunts who believe everything begins and ends with them.
    Yeah obviously all of them. From the kids to the grannies its all down to some bloke in a hut in Africa anyway
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    It's more white than a Tommy Robinson shindig. I just can't stand the hypocrisy (the litter they've left behind/gadgets/travelling in cars, trains and planes), they're enjoying themselves playing victim and causing trouble, holier-than-thou usual suspects who'll eff-off back to their 99.9% white middle-class lives.

    It's not the message I have a problem with just the people (they'll be at Glastonbury and fly off to Malawi/Goa for a holiday).

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    Without too much (read any) data gathering I've formed the opinion that it's too late to save the planet. We keep getting warning shots that something big is going to happen and I don't think anyone would be surprised if it was lurking just around the corner.

    There are too many of us. We all want feeding and it's feeding us that causes the biggest problems. Land for meat to live, land to grow food to feed the meat, land for oil (take your pick of what kind). Do a search on what causes deforestation and you'll be hit by lots of results saying logging is the 2nd biggest cause. Weird result, just tell, me whats actually the problem.

    We'll be wiped off the Earth sooner rather than later and the Earth will go on to maybe repair the damage, or limp on until it's death once we are long gone.

    We can and should all do our bit of course and I'd like to think we do. But it isn't Joe Bloggs forgetting to put his recycling out and then thinking fuck it, I'm burning it out the back that's causing the grief is it. Asking Joe Bloggs if he fancies trying recycled shit paper is one thing. Asking Johnny Boardroom if he fancies stopping making billions upon billions of quids is quite another.
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    That's what makes me laugh with this mob, the UK is apparently one of the best gaffs in the world for this environment lark. As though causing uproar here will make a jot of difference to China, Russia or India.

    And now some rich, privileged Swedish teenager hopping the wag is the new messiah. Do me a favour.
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    I don't know. There is still cling film on everything. Why do they do that horrible multi pack stuff with each tiny item individually wrapped too? Then there is the congestion which is worse than ever. Then there is the fact that the UK has almost no trees. My wife mocks me about that when I talk about the Village greens and the open fields: "But there are no trees!" I wince conceding that she is correct and we cut them all down and never replaced them. Plus the people are fat and eat too much. One has no excuse to be fat. Very unsound.
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    https://www.rd.com/health/wellness/f...using-plastic/


    Ya I know the link is from the readers digest but when you try to look up the the effects of plastic I come across too many “we are all going to die from plastic” articles but there are a lot of studies coming out about the harm plastic does not just to the planet and fishy’s but to us. It is a nasty substance but it’s very difficult not to use it. When your out and about it can be difficult to find a drink not surrounded by plastic. Sometimes you can find a can. All my healthy juices are sorrounded by plastic. Even the plastics with BPA contain other shit that kills you, or is at least unhealthy. I often wonder how many mass adopted items we use cause harm but are such a major part of the economy nothing will be done about it. Microwaves are a good thing but a scientist at my wife’s job will not use one as he says using a microwave causes a change in the molecular structure of the respective foods we put in. Our water supply is loaded with anti biotics and anti depressants, I have hang nail, when it comes right down to it we are doomed. I’d like to say let’s clean stuff up for the future generation but fuck them the baby boomers left us this mess I’m not cleaning up after them. And I’m typing this on my phone made of plastic.

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    Millennials need to quit their fucking whining.

    Seriously... we're not going to abolish plastic tomorrow or any time in the foreseeable future. We've become too dependent on it. What we need to do is parallel efforts to: a) reduce the amount of plastics used in manufacturing, and b) continue to find ways to effectively recycle plastic into things we need.

    The (a) part involves things like reducing the thickness of water bottles (already at an annoying "thinness"), rethink how we do our packaging, and just plain use our engineering know-how to lessen the amounts of plastic being manufactured for everyday things. The (b) part is even more exciting, and we've all read about road-building technologies in places like India and Indonesia, where asphalt is substituted with some kind of aggregate using recycled plastic to make roads. These roads are reportedly better and cheaper. As usual, the holdup is always the bureaucratic part of the whole affair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Millennials need to quit their fucking whining.

    Seriously... we're not going to abolish plastic tomorrow or any time in the foreseeable future. We've become too dependent on it. What we need to do is parallel efforts to: a) reduce the amount of plastics used in manufacturing, and b) continue to find ways to effectively recycle plastic into things we need.

    The (a) part involves things like reducing the thickness of water bottles (already at an annoying "thinness"), rethink how we do our packaging, and just plain use our engineering know-how to lessen the amounts of plastic being manufactured for everyday things. The (b) part is even more exciting, and we've all read about road-building technologies in places like India and Indonesia, where asphalt is substituted with some kind of aggregate using recycled plastic to make roads. These roads are reportedly better and cheaper. As usual, the holdup is always the bureaucratic part of the whole affair.
    Exactly nothing will change, but we will see silly things like banning straws come into effect and meanwhile the global population will double. Much of this plastic and sewage ends up in rivers and oceans and our own water supplies. It is very harmful. I don't eat seafood, so I don't really care about it from that angle, but I don't think it is fair to destroy ocean life because of our awful methods of production and waste evacuation.

    Also, I was hearing that birds are dying because they fly into the reflections of trees on these shiny new steel skyscrapers. You didn't have this problem when we had beautiful Cathedrals and actual trees in urban areas.

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    It's ironic that the local recycling programs use huge bins made of plastic to put your plastics in for weekly collection . They still offer paper or plastic at the local grocery but often don't have paper bags or try to charge you a fee to purchase one of those clothe bags. In general we as consumers really do throw away so much garbage in the name of packaging and branding-labels. Someone needs to invent basic 'melters' or compactors purchased for the home, cube your own pure plastics and turn in for exchange with financial incentive. It's like can and aluminum recycling when we were kids. It was so massive and we'd always take an hour or two to go 'hunting cans' and run to the store to collect a few bucks. Schools actually organized events and drop offs. We even had plastic drop offs and would cut up the binders that held 6 packs together. Kids are to busy on their tablets and phones now to go develop an early understanding of turning everyday trash into profits. Little shats don't even catch lizards or put baseball cards in their spokes anymore .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    That's what makes me laugh with this mob, the UK is apparently one of the best gaffs in the world for this environment lark. As though causing uproar here will make a jot of difference to China, Russia or India.

    And now some rich, privileged Swedish teenager hopping the wag is the new messiah. Do me a favour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Overpopulation. You cannot double a population every few decades and expect infinite benefits.
    So does this mean your anti-Viagra, Cialis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
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    Overpopulation. You cannot double a population every few decades and expect infinite benefits.
    So does this mean your anti-Viagra, Cialis?
    People can take Viagra all they like. I just think the more people there are the more resources will be consumed and thus the environment will continue to suffer. There will come a tipping point from which we won't return. It won't be the end of the world and those with resources will be fine, but it will be serious suffering for billions. I am not sure it is worth it when you can just have less children. However, people won't change and thus the consequences will be what they will be.
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    Blaming overpopulation is just another example of parroting neo liberal dogma in order to avoid confronting the real issue. There is more than enough food and resources but if you want to continually defend the incredibly unequal distribution of that and the maintenance of a hyper elite class you will of course turn on and attack the poor.

    Blame single mothers, pretend all black families have been abandoned by their fathers, pretend that anyone not having gold reserves are feckless and responsible for squandering resources, blame the EU, blame lefties, blame anti fascists, blame champagne socialists, blame immigrants and victims of war, pretend climate change is a hoax. Anything but confront the fact that the changes needed will mean a different way of living for the west because to pretend otherwise will end up in our own extinction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Blaming overpopulation is just another example of parroting neo liberal dogma in order to avoid confronting the real issue. There is more than enough food and resources but if you want to continually defend the incredibly unequal distribution of that and the maintenance of a hyper elite class you will of course turn on and attack the poor.

    Blame single mothers, pretend all black families have been abandoned by their fathers, pretend that anyone not having gold reserves are feckless and responsible for squandering resources, blame the EU, blame lefties, blame anti fascists, blame champagne socialists, blame immigrants and victims of war, pretend climate change is a hoax. Anything but confront the fact that the changes needed will mean a different way of living for the west because to pretend otherwise will end up in our own extinction.

    God knows I'm against a lot of Miles' broad-brush generalizations. But you can't just turn a blind eye on the typical Sudanese (to pick a country) woman having 10 kids and then having little to no food to give them, adding to the humanitarian crises in many parts of the world. The world's resources are a huge pool, but are not infinite. IMO, you can't solve the world's problems by putting all your efforts in one "proverbial basket". Parallel efforts are necessary in many areas. Making better use of our resources through the use of technologies that are now available. Protecting our environment, which by the way we're doing a shitty job of as a human race. All you need to do is look at the rivers of garbage flowing into the oceans on Facebook, or the "land masses" of pollution near some of the world's coastlines, to know it's no joking matter. But included in those efforts, there should be the education and means to establish some sort of birth control in areas where frankly people continue breeding like hamsters. Then we moan and groan about world hunger. Well hell... it takes no rocket scientist to know it's harder to feed 300 people than it does 30. Finally, yes... we have to be introspective and severely question the gross mis-distribution of wealth in the human race. It's incredible to think that there's people with billions and billions of dollars, while at the same time there's people who consider it a luxury to eat a few bread crumbs in any given day.

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    You are in denial, Beanz.

    Maybe you will have to change, but me not so much. Africa will have to change. Families will have to change. And the environment will continue to corrode regardless as nothingof significance is being done to stop it.

    BTW, if you take issue with any of my assertions don't just make things up. Back up what you say to prove me otherwise. Otherwise it looks like you cannot handle debate.

    I feel no guilt or responsibility. It isn't me lacking empathy for the planet by being morally feckless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Blaming overpopulation is just another example of parroting neo liberal dogma in order to avoid confronting the real issue. There is more than enough food and resources but if you want to continually defend the incredibly unequal distribution of that and the maintenance of a hyper elite class you will of course turn on and attack the poor.

    Blame single mothers, pretend all black families have been abandoned by their fathers, pretend that anyone not having gold reserves are feckless and responsible for squandering resources, blame the EU, blame lefties, blame anti fascists, blame champagne socialists, blame immigrants and victims of war, pretend climate change is a hoax. Anything but confront the fact that the changes needed will mean a different way of living for the west because to pretend otherwise will end up in our own extinction.
    There are so many made up arguments that I will simply leave it at that. You say I try to make you look stupid, but you do that on your own. You live in fantasy land and you know it. 'All black families have been abandoned by their mothers' is a case in point. You twist and exaggerate and it is almost like you cannot help yourself. Stop making things up. See, you lie all the time. There is just so much wrong with your post that I refuse to even give you the air.
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