I do think that this will be a good channel and I will be paying 10 quid for it.

I thought I'd pick a fight :)

Here's the criteria

1. Great fighters beaten when they were great fighters
2. Division wrecking
3. Ranked fighters beaten
3. Taking on everyone or nearly so
4. Occasional losses top great fighters don't have large impact
5. Losses to less than great fighters when in one's extended prime have a significant impact
6. Judgement is made over one's "extended prime." The longer the prime the better
7. Guesses over "who could beat who" have zero import. Why? Easy, because they are just guesses.
8. Social impact has no bearing. This an in the ring approach.
9. It is only what they did as heavies that counts.

I think too often fighters are simply too close to really rank them. Instead what I am going to do is put them in broad groups and within those groups rank them however you want and I won't argue very often.

Those having an argument for the top spot

Only two men defeated over 30 ranked fighters, were champions across a decade had dominant records against HOFers and had over fifteen defenses as undisputed champion. Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali.

Third

Jack Johnson. Li'l Arthur was simply dominant after his loss to Joe Choyinski. In the month they spent jailed together Choyinski taught Johnson the sweet science and Johnson never looked back. The best of the four black HOF heavies of the time he retired with a 13-3-3 record against HOFers and eight defenses as champion. Clearly the best heavy in the decade from 1906-1915.

Slots 4-7

These are the division wreckers. Jack Dempsey who once he came under Doc Kearns and really got rolling was simply a revolution in the heavyweight division. He defeated 11 HOFers against only two losses. Though criticized today for not fighting any blacks as champion, the fact is there was only one guy Harry Wills, who remotely deserved a shot. Nevertheless Dempsey loses some position for not fighting Wills in my view. In ony 23 fights Jim Jeffries fought HOFers nine times. Jeffries went 7-1-1 with his loss coming to Johnson after a six year layoff. An athlete so far ahead of his time it asn't funny. Jeffries also didn't fight a black fighter as champion. In his case though i is hard to come up with who the logical guy would have been prior to his initial retirement. Had he stuck around another 2-3 years? The four black heavies noted above would have been severe challenges. While there is a variety of opinion on Larry Holmes' reign? I take the view there were few fighters he should have fought that he didn't. His 2-4 record against HOFers is mitigated somewhat by his twenty title defenses and defeating nineteen ranked fighters. The test of Rocky Marciano's greatness is not that he never lost. It is that he left the division so bereft of challengers it took the sport over a year to make a credible match for the vacant crown and one of the participants had already lost to the Rock. Marciano went 6-0 against HOFers and had six title defenses.

Slots 8-9

George Foreman gets here really on his singular achievement of winning the undisputed crown twenty years apart. It is a staggering achievement. He went 4-2 against HOFers but only knocked off seven ranked fighters. Sam Langford was not at his best as a heavy but he was still special. Before his eyesight went he was 14-9-8 against HOF heavies. Sam isn't higher because as a heavy he got lazy and he occasionally lost to men he shouldn't have.

Slots 10-13

Smoking Joe Frazier fought in an in-arguably tougher era than Marciano and may well also have wrecked that division. It is what it is. 1-4 against HOF heavies and defeated eight ranked heavyweights. One of the five most prestigious wins in boxing history makes a big impact here. Sonny Liston was as intimidating as they come. 2-2 against HOF heavies, seven ranked heavies beaten, undisputed heavyweight champ. Evander Holyfield was at his best below heavy, but with the big boys he went 4-1-1 against HOF heavies and defeated ten ranked men and was a two time lineal champion. Ezzard Charles another guy at his best below heavy. But he went 4-4 against HOF heavies, was undisputed champ with seven defenses and defeated 15 ranked heavies. Why isn't he higher? He lost to some heavies he had no business losing to.

Slots 14-15

One can make a pretty good argument these guys are indistinguishable from the above group, though I disagree. Lennox Lewis went 3-0-1 against HOFers but really met only Vitali in what could be called his prime. He defeated 13 ranked heavies. So why isn't he higher? Two bad KO losses just can't be ignored. Mike Tyson really only beat one HOF heavyweight and that was Holmes. His overall record against HOF heavies? 1-3. He defeated 12 ranked fighters and had two defenses as undisputed champion.

Slots 16-20

Jersey Joe Walcott went 3-6 against HOF heavies with almost all those fights after he was 35. He defeated eight ranked heavies but was hardly unbeatable. Floyd Patterson is a guy I think gets short shrift. Yup he got destroyed by Sonny Liston, twice. Six of his eight losses came to HOFers and the only HOFer he defeated was Ingo. But he also defeated eleven ranked guys over 15 years. Not bad. Harry Wills came along too late to face the four great black heavies pre WWI, bu in their decline he owned them. He went 15-5-6 against HOFers but all those fights were a good five years after Langford, McVea and Jeanette were past it. He should have gotten a shot against Dempsey. Max Schmeling has one of the five most prestigious wins in the history of the division. The only man to handle Louis in his prime. Six wins over ranked fighters and three wins over HOF heavies. Max Baer punched his way through nine ranked fighters and went 2-2 against HOFers.

Now one might ask where Gene Tunney and Bob Fitzsimmons are. In my view neither did enough at heavyweight to make this list. Ona p4p basis? Those two would both belong inside the top ten here. But that's not what I'm trying to do. The other guy it kills me to leave off is the great Peter Jackson. An Australian Aborigine who went 61 rounds to a draw with Jim Corbett was viewed in his own time as a legend but I just haven't gotten my hands around his career.

This leaves us with the open question of the Brothers Klitschko. I did not leave them off because they are still active, I left them off because though they have beaten a cauldron of ranked guys, between them they have faced only one clear HOFer to this point. Not their fault, but again, it is what it is. I also don't know how to deal with them not facing one another and what that means (if anything).

That's my list. Have at it!

Great pointing out Dempsey. Also Patterson.
And Jack Johnson, or Joe Louis are ovarated in terms of comparing them to Hwy's such as Lewis, Holmes, Ali. They wouldn't stand a chance against modern Heavyweights- even the Klitschkos

24 Nominations To-date

There are some interesting nominations for 2011 including three boxing clubs:
Campbell River Eagles, East Vancouver Optimists, and South Hill-Firefighters Boxing Clubs

For tournaments the only one nominated is the 1967 Shrine International Diamond Belt Championships which had ROCKY MARCIANO, as the guest referee. Another interesting nomination is a family nomination of THE BOYCE FAMILY. The key persons involved in boxing from the Boyce family were WALTER BOYCE and sons Tommy, Wayne and Gerald (Tubby).

JUNIOR/YOUTH CATEGORY - ALAN BROWN, two time Canadian Junior Canadian Champion.
Alan was a member of the Campbell River Eagles, the Gold River Boxing Club, the Nanaimo Boxing Club and trained at various other clubs such as the Vancouver based Shamrock Boxing Club in the mid-Eighties.

1975 BC GOLDEN GLOVES

Two of the interesting stories are focused on JIMMY MACMILLAN and GORDIE LAWSON.

Jimmy made a comeback after about 8 years and ended up earning the Golden Boy runner-up award. And, Gordie was the only boxer, in the two day tournament,
to score a clean knockout when his opponent was on the deck for over a minute.

Antarctica Condition 1 Weather - Snotr :p brrrrrrrrr

As you may know Bilbo I'm big on looking good and smelling good...
So anything to do with apparel and stuff like that I'm on it.


So here are IMO the greatest colognes to date...

#7 - Issey Miyake - L'eau D'Issey
One for the ages, with like I think this one has potential for a 5 spot no doubt. I gave a couple of bottles away for birthdays a few years ago. Like the sweet smell not usually my taste but this one is done just right.




#6 - Hugo Boss - Hugo
Just like Aqua a must have at any point. Hugo is all I wore during my senior year in HS. Young and fresh smell.




#5 - Giorgio Armani - Aqua Di Gio
A classic one and must have at any point in a mans life. You can never go wrong with a splash of Aqua. When in doubt go with Aqua.




#4 - Ralph Lauren - Romance
A instant classic, not out for long but quickly became one to have in my collection. In years to come I can easily see it in the top 3.




#3 - Kenneth Cole - Black
Nice and clean nothing too strong. Subtle but very catchy. I gotta admit huge fan of Kenneth so I might be overrating this one here a bit possibly #4.




#2 - Dolce&Gabbana - D&G
Was my #1 for many years until I started getting a whole lot more compliments from the Dior fragrance. Clean yet with a flirty smell almost sweet like but not really.



#1 - Christian Dior - Fahrenheit
Clean, masculine smell, not sweet or sugarie... Just a really nice clean smell very inviting to women. I think this is the essential smell for a guy.




Bilbo I strongly recommend you at least try and smell these if you haven't already. Not sure what your preference is but I can guarantee that you will find one you like in this bunch...

I did enjoy seeing a few seconds of action in the third... but it was tainted by the fact I know it was now over and that quickie was all of the entertainment that I was going to get.

First decent flurry Haye throws and I'm thinking for fuck's sake, let this wake Harrison up so I can at least see a round, just one round of boxing.

THE FINALS

Some of the interesting bouts in anticipation:
THOMAS STALKER vs JOSH TAYLOR
ANTHONY OGOGO vs EAMON O'KANE
BRADLEY SAUNDERS vs KUMAR
STEVE WARD vs SIMON VALLILY

One of the most interesting semi-final wins was ANTHONY OGOGO over the Indian "Superstar".

It appeared that Anthony was going to be robbed blind by the judges with the hocus pocus
method of scoring when they let the button pushing fingers drift in one direction, but the
saving grace was a cool fair and responsible referee - but we can only wonder what will become of the referee in future tournaments.

One of the most anticipated finals is STALKER vs TAYLOR (The Rose vs the Thistle)/

Then there will be the bouts with the likes of BARNES, and the English Scott CALLUM JOHNSON
fighting the Northern Irish warrior Thomas Mc. Will it be a "Big Mac: attack or mac on his back?

:cool::o:D:eek::p - mixed emotions and more:horseshit:and the judges:LOLATYOU::stars::stars:

fewer weight classes - back to the good old days of 8 ;)

and fighters foerced to meet rather then duck one another. I wish.......:-\