I think Froch should go with Bute first..give us another dramatic fight, up his bargaining power (£$£$£) then look at Kelly and Bernard.;)
http://www.livefight.com/news/kelly-...-fight_880.htm
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I think Froch should go with Bute first..give us another dramatic fight, up his bargaining power (£$£$£) then look at Kelly and Bernard.;)
http://www.livefight.com/news/kelly-...-fight_880.htm
I think he should fight Bernard first.
Just so i can see him get exposed and give Bhop his 3rd division title. ;)
Bute would dismantle Froch without problems, especially because he can sustain any major blows and has no stamina problems, peoples will put forward the fight with Andrade but once again, I would argue that he won every rounds except one on every judges cards and he floored Andrade, he just did a bit too much bravado in the last 10 seconds, thing he won't ever repeat again. Bute has green and Andrade II to pass first, then I think he'll go with the Ward-Miranda winner as optional fight and to give him more exposure to the US and then only perhaps Froch, Hopkins or the Vicking Kessler. At least, that's how I see things.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Hopkins and Bute beat him , Pavlik fight is 50/50 . lets just hope Froch has nothing but big name fights.
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dude you're forgetting the undeniability of the froch factorQuote:
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Froch: Something or somebody that will not be denied
I think he'll go with Pavlik first, and he probably should. B-Hop would destroy him.. Pavlik he at least has a chance with. ;D (A very slim one)
All three will beat Froch, though I think Pavlik is the closest fight in terms of who I think will win, assuming Hopkins hasn't finally started slipping in a major way.
I think they all should beat him but I wont say Carl couldn't win..except against B-hop who would badly expose him.
He has a punchers chance cos he's one of those guys.But they are all better boxers than Carl
Bute wants Froch ion the worst way, I covered the fight and talked w Bute he seemed to be drooling at the thought of being IBF and WBC SMW champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Good for Froch and his pull out win but he was losing handily until JT tuckered out, Bute will not tire, Hopkins can box 100 rounds and with Frochs sloppy defense he would tag Carl all night long.
Froch is a player for about 4 or 5 fights then he fades away unless there is a drastic improvement
Pavlik hasn't looked that great above 160 in his two outings there so that's a fight I'd favor froch in slightly. Bute and bhop beat froch in convincing fashion.
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Originally Posted by NamelessBute would dismantle Froch without problems, especially because he can sustain any major blows and has no stamina problems, peoples will put forward the fight with Andrade but once again, I would argue that he won every rounds except one on every judges cards and he floored Andrade, he just did a bit too much bravado in the last 10 seconds, thing he won't ever repeat again. Bute has green and Andrade II to pass first, then I think he'll go with the Ward-Miranda winner as optional fight and to give him more exposure to the US and then only perhaps Froch, Hopkins or the Vicking Kessler. At least, that's how I see things.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
He didn't 'floor' andrade, he pushed him down on the canvas. As for winning every round, i would say maybe but not by much. Bute was hurt a number of times during the fight but of course marlen b wright helped bute out constantly and allowed him to hold constantly. But would be ko'd in 3 if he fought andrade again.
I disagree there,Quote:
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Originally Posted by NamelessBute would dismantle Froch without problems, especially because he can sustain any major blows and has no stamina problems, peoples will put forward the fight with Andrade but once again, I would argue that he won every rounds except one on every judges cards and he floored Andrade, he just did a bit too much bravado in the last 10 seconds, thing he won't ever repeat again. Bute has green and Andrade II to pass first, then I think he'll go with the Ward-Miranda winner as optional fight and to give him more exposure to the US and then only perhaps Froch, Hopkins or the Vicking Kessler. At least, that's how I see things.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
He didn't 'floor' andrade, he pushed him down on the canvas. As for winning every round, i would say maybe but not by much. Bute was hurt a number of times during the fight but of course marlen b wright helped bute out constantly and allowed him to hold constantly. But would be ko'd in 3 if he fought andrade again.
He didn't push him, look at the tape again, if you would say "Andrade did slip" I would say that it can be discussed though after reviewing the fight several times I am convinced he did knock him down. The rounds weren't even close, even on ESPN they did state that Andrade was getting schooled till the last 10 seconds, the closeness was just not there, Andrade had all difficulties to touch him. As for the revenge, I bet you 100 euros that Bute school him and doesn't get knocked out at all, Bute did everything well except for the last 10 seconds, he won't repeat that mistake again.
Last 10 seconds?? So he was doing good when he was collapsing onto the ropes with about 30 seconds left?? Only a Bute fanboy could think that was not a push, it was the least legitimate KD I can remember. Yes, no doubt Bute schooled him for probably 9 or 10 of the previous 11 rounds, but the simple fact is Wright gave the fight to Bute. Regardless of opinion on what happened at the end, it was some of the most corrupt refereeing I have ever seen. Also making money bets is always laughable, why not bet 1 million euros as there is as much chance of that being paidQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI disagree there,Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamerQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
He didn't 'floor' andrade, he pushed him down on the canvas. As for winning every round, i would say maybe but not by much. Bute was hurt a number of times during the fight but of course marlen b wright helped bute out constantly and allowed him to hold constantly. But would be ko'd in 3 if he fought andrade again.
He didn't push him, look at the tape again, if you would say "Andrade did slip" I would say that it can be discussed though after reviewing the fight several times I am convinced he did knock him down. The rounds weren't even close, even on ESPN they did state that Andrade was getting schooled till the last 10 seconds, the closeness was just not there, Andrade had all difficulties to touch him. As for the revenge, I bet you 100 euros that Bute school him and doesn't get knocked out at all, Bute did everything well except for the last 10 seconds, he won't repeat that mistake again.
I am impartial, I like Bute, sure, but I have always been impartial for these situations as it goes from the credibility of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinLast 10 seconds?? So he was doing good when he was collapsing onto the ropes with about 30 seconds left?? Only a Bute fanboy could think that was not a push, it was the least legitimate KD I can remember. Yes, no doubt Bute schooled him for probably 9 or 10 of the previous 11 rounds, but the simple fact is Wright gave the fight to Bute. Regardless of opinion on what happened at the end, it was some of the most corrupt refereeing I have ever seen. Also making money bets is always laughable, why not bet 1 million euros as there is as much chance of that being paidQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI disagree there,Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
He didn't push him, look at the tape again, if you would say "Andrade did slip" I would say that it can be discussed though after reviewing the fight several times I am convinced he did knock him down. The rounds weren't even close, even on ESPN they did state that Andrade was getting schooled till the last 10 seconds, the closeness was just not there, Andrade had all difficulties to touch him. As for the revenge, I bet you 100 euros that Bute school him and doesn't get knocked out at all, Bute did everything well except for the last 10 seconds, he won't repeat that mistake again.
First of all, it is not 30 seconds before the end but between 13 and 12 seconds, the time for the referee to give a count (telling, absolutely according to the rules) to Andrade to go back to his corner and to resume the fight.
Second, If you look at the match carefully, it's Andrade who was furiously jumping in Bute "Hatton" style to bully him, Bute had no choice to clinch because Andrade was virtually on him and it costs less energy to just clinch in these moments than to push plainly.
Third, I say 100 euros because I could afford such bet, I would never bet something I can't afford or that would put me in problems, no matter how, call me a conservatism prick but I would never put my life on the edge. In the same vein, as you don't know me at all, can I ask you how can you question my integrity and my "real will" to honore the bet to the end? If I would bet one million, I could understand as it is a bit crazy or unrealistic, 10 000 I could understand perhaps as well as it sounds the money that most don't have, but 100...
Also, Let's see what some of the greatest experts/professionals/important insiders have to say on the matter, by the book, the referee was right according to most specialists, this controversy, actually, has been steered up mainly by golden boy promotions (the same one that almost bailed before the fight because they wanted Interbox to force Bute to box with their gloves even though in the contract it was stipulated that the champion decides which gloves to use):
Russ Anber on the matter: http://watch.tsn.ca/in-this-corner/clip106538clip106538
Muhammad, president of the IBF on the matter: RDS - Bute : aucune irrégularité selon l'IBF (he's a prick but on that one he,s kinda right)
The very respected George Kimball about the false controversy of a robing in Montreal: Lucian Bute defeats Librado Andrade, but questions remain - ESPN
An article where Guy Jutras, judge over 81 fights state that Marlon B Wright didn’t do any wrongdoing and refereed the bout by the book: National Post Story