Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
Between SRL, Whitaker and PBF, I think SRL is the most complete boxer of the three. Whitaker was all defense... and while it's easy to marvel at, you gotta have a good offense to go along with it. PBF is fantastic, but I'm not much into the shoulder-roll type defense. And sometimes Floyd can also pay too much attention to defense, at the expense of his offense.
Sugar Ray was pretty awesome on both sides of the fence. And don't forget... he had some classic battles with some of history's best fighters (Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez). That alone puts him a cut above Whitaker and Floyd, IMO.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
i like all these guys. they fight the way i enjoy. some would say there boring but i love guys that can put on a boxing lesson.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
Sugar RAy Leonard finishes BIG, he knocks you out and punishes you AND thats against elite fighters TOO. Floyd Maywheater does not he just gets away with u.d and s.d with no elite fighters.
PLEASE STOP COMPARING FLOYD TO REAL GREATS....THANK YOU ;D
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Sugar RAy Leonard finishes BIG, he knocks you out and punishes you AND thats against elite fighters TOO. Floyd Maywheater does not he just gets away with u.d and s.d with no elite fighters.
PLEASE STOP COMPARING FLOYD TO REAL GREATS....THANK YOU ;D
Floyd at lower weights would finish big i don't think you have seen enough Mayweather fights because in most fights he breaks down opponents with hard crisp punching and why can't i compare him to the greats because you dislike Mayweather ?? imo Mayweather is a great we have to find little clips of him actually being hit clean and you don't think thats a great ??
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Sugar RAy Leonard finishes BIG, he knocks you out and punishes you AND thats against elite fighters TOO. Floyd Maywheater does not he just gets away with u.d and s.d with no elite fighters.
PLEASE STOP COMPARING FLOYD TO REAL GREATS....THANK YOU ;D
Floyd at lower weights would finish big i don't think you have seen enough Mayweather fights because in most fights he breaks down opponents with hard crisp punching and why can't i compare him to the greats because you dislike Mayweather ?? imo Mayweather is a great we have to find little clips of him actually being hit clean and you don't think thats a great ??
The one thing floyd is truely good at is HANDPICKING OPPENENTS buddy ;)
I have seen most of floyds fights, yes he was better in the featherweight class but that doesn't make him a great like sugar ray leonard. Floyd beat chico and castillo(once) and draw or lost to castillo(once). floyd is another american fight that goes up weight to capture abc titles in a corrupted sport. Real great fighters would of embarrase slow no power baldomir, Real great fighters would of done what he said he'll do to oscar. Real great fighters would of took on hatton 3 years ago, not when its clear Hatton is the weakest of the best welterweights(shane,williams,margarito....I mean who can hatton beat amonst the best in welterweights now). If you want to talk about how great floyd is we can't just look at his best days in the lower weight class where he beat chico and castillo those two the best in his resume, but are not great fighters. He could of took on koysta, casamayor even freitas. Great fighters take on everyone, and great fighters take titles from champions. Not like how oscar and baldomir had to be the aggressor when its floyd thats suppose to take the title from thems since they are the champ. Its BULLSHIT one or two clean shot buys floyd a round and for the rest of the round he just avoids getting knock the fwock out.
Floyd is skilled but he ain't got that "it" factor that GREATS DO. nobody is going to remember a guy who beat chico, castillo, baldomir, oscar. All of those guys have an average lost of ......FOUR!!! come on now. Now he is taking on hatton undefeated but floyd is smart he knows he rather fight this guy then those tougher oppenents in 147. Fraud is not Great, I mean FLOYD. i ACTUALLY like floyd but since his fans are trying to say his a great like sugar ray, I got to say my part because its disrespectful to them real greats. Floyd may fool you guys but he ain't fooling me, I know his got skills but it take more then that to be GREAT.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Sugar RAy Leonard finishes BIG, he knocks you out and punishes you AND thats against elite fighters TOO. Floyd Maywheater does not he just gets away with u.d and s.d with no elite fighters.
PLEASE STOP COMPARING FLOYD TO REAL GREATS....THANK YOU ;D
Floyd at lower weights would finish big i don't think you have seen enough Mayweather fights because in most fights he breaks down opponents with hard crisp punching and why can't i compare him to the greats because you dislike Mayweather ?? imo Mayweather is a great we have to find little clips of him actually being hit clean and you don't think thats a great ??
The one thing floyd is truely good at is HANDPICKING OPPENENTS buddy ;)
I have seen most of floyds fights, yes he was better in the featherweight class but that doesn't make him a great like sugar ray leonard. Floyd beat chico and castillo(once) and draw or lost to castillo(once). floyd is another american fight that goes up weight to capture abc titles in a corrupted sport. Real great fighters would of embarrase slow no power baldomir, Real great fighters would of done what he said he'll do to oscar. Real great fighters would of took on hatton 3 years ago, not when its clear Hatton is the weakest of the best welterweights(shane,williams,margarito....I mean who can hatton beat amonst the best in welterweights now). If you want to talk about how great floyd is we can't just look at his best days in the lower weight class where he beat chico and castillo those two the best in his resume, but are not great fighters. He could of took on koysta, casamayor even freitas. Great fighters take on everyone, and great fighters take titles from champions. Not like how oscar and baldomir had to be the aggressor when its floyd thats suppose to take the title from thems since they are the champ. Its BULLSHIT one or two clean shot buys floyd a round and for the rest of the round he just avoids getting knock the fwock out.
Floyd is skilled but he ain't got that "it" factor that GREATS DO. nobody is going to remember a guy who beat chico, castillo, baldomir, oscar. All of those guys have an average lost of ......FOUR!!! come on now. Now he is taking on hatton undefeated but floyd is smart he knows he rather fight this guy then those tougher oppenents in 147. Fraud is not Great, I mean FLOYD. i ACTUALLY like floyd but since his fans are trying to say his a great like sugar ray, I got to say my part because its disrespectful to them real greats. Floyd may fool you guys but he ain't fooling me, I know his got skills but it take more then that to be GREAT.
Well Hatton has made bigger name for himself so the fight with Mayweather is even more of a risk for Mayweather now and yet again whole point of boxing is hit and not get hit but Floyd has proved he can brawl so i don't see why he has to keep doing it ?? thats not his fighting style and he has been in some exciting fights aswell.
The one thing floyd is truely good at is HANDPICKING OPPENENTS buddy ;)
I don't understand this at all.
Mayweather moved up to Oscars weight and and outboxed so he handpicked that fight ??
Corrales was 33-0 and was dangerous puncher this fight was consider 50-50 did he hand pick this fight ??
Jesus Chavez at 36-1 was considered dangerous he hand picked this fight ??
Jose Luis Castillo 45-4 was considered dangerous did he hand pick this fight ??
I could go on but i won't bother.
Why does every fighter have to be the aggressor to be great champion i don't understand that at all Whitaker was never the aggressor yet he is considered an all time great.
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Sugar RAy Leonard finishes BIG, he knocks you out and punishes you AND thats against elite fighters TOO. Floyd Maywheater does not he just gets away with u.d and s.d with no elite fighters.
PLEASE STOP COMPARING FLOYD TO REAL GREATS....THANK YOU ;D
Floyd at lower weights would finish big i don't think you have seen enough Mayweather fights because in most fights he breaks down opponents with hard crisp punching and why can't i compare him to the greats because you dislike Mayweather ?? imo Mayweather is a great we have to find little clips of him actually being hit clean and you don't think thats a great ??
The one thing floyd is truely good at is HANDPICKING OPPENENTS buddy ;)
I have seen most of floyds fights, yes he was better in the featherweight class but that doesn't make him a great like sugar ray leonard. Floyd beat chico and castillo(once) and draw or lost to castillo(once). floyd is another american fight that goes up weight to capture abc titles in a corrupted sport. Real great fighters would of embarrase slow no power baldomir, Real great fighters would of done what he said he'll do to oscar. Real great fighters would of took on hatton 3 years ago, not when its clear Hatton is the weakest of the best welterweights(shane,williams,margarito....I mean who can hatton beat amonst the best in welterweights now). If you want to talk about how great floyd is we can't just look at his best days in the lower weight class where he beat chico and castillo those two the best in his resume, but are not great fighters. He could of took on koysta, casamayor even freitas. Great fighters take on everyone, and great fighters take titles from champions. Not like how oscar and baldomir had to be the aggressor when its floyd thats suppose to take the title from thems since they are the champ. Its BULLSHIT one or two clean shot buys floyd a round and for the rest of the round he just avoids getting knock the fwock out.
Floyd is skilled but he ain't got that "it" factor that GREATS DO. nobody is going to remember a guy who beat chico, castillo, baldomir, oscar. All of those guys have an average lost of ......FOUR!!! come on now. Now he is taking on hatton undefeated but floyd is smart he knows he rather fight this guy then those tougher oppenents in 147. Fraud is not Great, I mean FLOYD. i ACTUALLY like floyd but since his fans are trying to say his a great like sugar ray, I got to say my part because its disrespectful to them real greats. Floyd may fool you guys but he ain't fooling me, I know his got skills but it take more then that to be GREAT.
Well Hatton has made bigger name for himself so the fight with Mayweather is even more of a risk for Mayweather now and yet again whole point of boxing is hit and not get hit but Floyd has proved he can brawl so i don't see why he has to keep doing it ?? thats not his fighting style and he has been in some exciting fights aswell.
The one thing floyd is truely good at is HANDPICKING OPPENENTS buddy ;)
I don't understand this at all.
Mayweather moved up to Oscars weight and and outboxed so he handpicked that fight ??
Corrales was 33-0 and was dangerous puncher this fight was consider 50-50 did he hand pick this fight ??
Jesus Chavez at 36-1 was considered dangerous he hand picked this fight ??
Jose Luis Castillo 45-4 was considered dangerous did he hand pick this fight ??
I could go on but i won't bother.
Why does every fighter have to be the aggressor to be great champion i don't understand that at all Whitaker was never the aggressor yet he is considered an all time great.
Would he have moved up at 154 if he was to fight winky there, not old oscar?
Would he had fought chico if chico was brain dead from all of his outside the ring troubles.
Chavez suppose to be an easy fight, Castillo turned out not so easy ;)
who else have floyd fought?
LETS COMPARE floyds resume to Sugar Ray Leonard, let see if you still think his great?
Floyd has a lot of easy oppenents hand picked for the likings of his style.
You know what lets just agree to disagree, if you think floyd is Great well thats you but I know he isn't unless he dominates from now and til he really retires. I admire a boxing lesson but only when its total domination not i hit you once...hmm I just got to avoid getting knock out to win the round....SHYT!
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Sorry for the Mayweather threads but just thinking about this and i believe he is even though Roy is probably one of my favorite fighters but he wern't very textbook he was unorthdox.
But there are other fighters like.
Meldrick Taylor
Pernell Whitaker
Ricardo Lopez ect
Which is very debatable whats your thoughts ??
I think Floyd is more technical than most I've seen, but that doesn't make him better. Whitaker was not very text-book in actuality, neither was Meldrick Taylor. What's with those two choices? Lopez is a good shout though.
Leonard and Whitaker are better than Floyd, but he is more technical and orthodox than either.
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Sorry for the Mayweather threads but just thinking about this and i believe he is even though Roy is probably one of my favorite fighters but he wern't very textbook he was unorthdox.
But there are other fighters like.
Meldrick Taylor
Pernell Whitaker
Ricardo Lopez ect
Which is very debatable whats your thoughts ??
What do you mean by this? IMO Pernell was as unorthodox as Roy Jones Jr. just in a different way. His defense how he dipped so low was definitely not conventional. Meldrick Taylor had good technique, but not the greatest defense, and he didn't box as much as he should have. Ricardo Lopez was a good boxer, but not at Floyd's level. I think Floyd maybe the most technically gifted fighter ever, or up there with Willie Pep.
You call Whitaker unorthodox and then say Willie Pep is technical? Do you even know what you're talking about? And Lopez was a much smaller boxer than Floyd, but his technique was definitely on his level and he ranks close on an All Time list to Floyd.
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Whitaker was all defense... and while it's easy to marvel at, you gotta have a good offense to go along with it.
Get off this forum, go and actually watch a Whitaker fight other than his fight with De La Hoya when he was past his prime, do some research, and come back here after you've learned something and apologize. Whitaker threw 100 punches per round and over 1000 per fight in his prime, he had one of the best southpaw jabs of all time, and was constantly pumping it out. He could throw combos and avoid your shots at the same time. Mayweather is a pot-shotter and a mover, Whitaker stood in front of you throwing more than one punch and made you miss. Saying Whitaker had no offense shows you have NO CLUE what you're talking about. His workrate was amazing, way better offense than Floyd.
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I would say that Pernell was a more skilled fighter than SRL. SRL was more athletically gifted than Pernell but not as skilled defensively IMO.
Agreed 100%.
I think both Pernell and Mayweather have much more "textbook" skill than Leonard, but I'd have to give the athletic advantage to Leonard in both those cases due to his superior strength/punching power.
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tell me a top fighter that doesn't handpick his opponents.
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Forgive me coming in late on this one and I ain't read all the posts as yet, Mayweather I love to bits and feel his p4p ranking is justified at present, and though this may seem picky I have to say no way Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??,
Purely because as with Ray Leonard, they dont box from the text book, which manual teaches to throw 2 or 3 lead right hands (Unless your a southie that is) or to shuffle ya feet and or talk with the commentators mid bash up, none I believe......but the extras they put in is what goes towards making them great... love em or hate em, but ya gotta respect em. :beerchug:
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his defense is very much textbook. you could make a case the his offense isn't as textbook as it use to be because he doesn't use the jab as much as he use to. i guess it all depends on what textbook you study from.
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Ok look i dont know much about Whitaker but i have watched alot of SRL and some PBF and if you are comparing who they beat SRL hands down wins it Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, and Marvin Hagler come on the PBF is undefeated but the best he beat was a old oscar a far form shot but still a old oscar its hard to compare SRL because he is the ALI of lower wieghts.
