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Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April 1st
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Re: Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April First
Jermaine Franklin did well against Whyte but lost so do not understand why was chosen other than maybe he is a comparison for AJ to see if he can be more convincing.
AJ needs to get busy again and be active with his new trainer. Whyte should be next and then he will go for one of the trinkets that is left after Fury v Usyk.
Lets see what AJ has left.
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Re: Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April First
i think it's a reasonable fight
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Re: Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April First
Confidence builder. But Franklin will fancy his chances. No problem with this one
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Being honest I would’ve preferred him to fight Wilder. I know people think I’m nuts , but I reckon it would’ve been ideal for him.
Not much wrong with the Franklin fight, after all , I had him beating Whyte, so Whyte needs to stop his bellyaching.
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Re: Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April First
Like this fight really do. Franklin will have his apparent sturdy beard tested but his volume and new found confidence could work well for him. Good show for AJ to be had here but he'll need to pressure up and make those clear levels separate.
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Re: Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April First
Anthony Joshua WON'T be fighting on pay-per-view when he faces Jermaine Franklin at The O2 arena in April.
Former two-time heavyweight champion Joshua, 33, will look to bounce back to winning ways against Franklin on April 1 in London. The Brit hasn't won a fight since knocking out Kubrat Pulev over two years ago, losing his belts to Oleksandr Usyk in September 2021 and failing to win them back in their rematch last August.
Joshua's fight against Franklin will be his first in a five-year partnership with DAZN, meaning it will be included in the monthly £9.99 subscription to the streaming service and fans will not need to pay an additional pay-per-view fee to watch it. Those watching outside of the UK will also be able to stream the fight via their DAZN subscription without any additional charge.
'AJ' said of his fight against Franklin: "I'm looking forward to stepping back into the ring. Mentally and physically I feel ready. I want to put on a show and impress my coach as he has high standards. Franklin has a good style and a great attitude, which he has shown in recent fights. This will be my first fight broadcast on DAZN in the UK and it will be globally available on the platform."
Franklin suffered the first defeat of his professional career in a controversial decision loss to Dillian Whyte last November. The 29-year-old insists he will become the first man to stop Joshua inside the distance, stating: "I’m ready to show the world why it’s time for me to take my place at the top of the Heavyweight division. Joshua had his time. It’s my time to shock the world! This fight isn’t going to the judge’s card.
Joshua has parted ways with two coaches since losing his heavyweight titles to Usyk, but has seemingly settled on trainer Derrick James for his upcoming fight against Franklin. The 51-year-old, who coaches world champions such as Errol Spence Jr and Jermell Charlo, will hope to put Joshua back on the path towards becoming a three-time world champion.
Matchroom Boxing boss Eddie Hearn, who promotes Joshua, thinks the Brit's decision to train in America for his upcoming fight will be hugely beneficial. "The problem is with him being in the UK is he can't breathe, when he goes to America people still know who he is but it's just a different world," Hearn said on the DAZN Boxing Show. " Can you imagine that AJ where he is going to be training, can go for a walk and go and sit in a coffee shop with some friends."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...ed445a2151a371
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Re: Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April First
In the good old days this would have been an undercard fight at a big UK venue with a lower weight world title fight at the top of the bill,sadly those days of a night out watching competitive boxing have gone. The date is highly appropriate and I would imagine it will be agrophobia day at the O2.
Sorry to sit on the fence
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Re: Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April First
Do not think Frank Bruno/Henry Cooper was on any undercard after he challenged for a world title.
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Re: Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April First
Anthony Joshua’s next fight against Jermaine Franklin will be his first not broadcast as a PPV since September 2015.
However, with DAZN increasing their base monthly ‘Flexible Pass’ subscription price to £19.99.
When DAZN first launched in UK they began with an introductory price of just £1.99 per month, which soon increased to £7.99 per month.
Now the ‘Flexible Pass’ monthly rate going up to is £19.99 per month – this is what it will cost someone who’s not an existing subscriber to watch Joshua vs Franklin.
They are also offering a ‘Monthly Saver’ package which requires the buyer to sign up to DAZN for 12 months and pay £9.99 per month along the way.
And the final option is an ‘Annual Super Saver’ which required an up front payment of £99.99 to cover the full year.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...ncrease-price/
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Re: Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April First
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nuggetdotcom
In the good old days this would have been an undercard fight at a big UK venue with a lower weight world title fight at the top of the bill,sadly those days of a night out watching competitive boxing have gone. The date is highly appropriate and I would imagine it will be agrophobia day at the O2.
Sorry to sit on the fence
aj just fought oleksandr back to back & this will be his first fight with his new trainer. jermaine just took dillian to the wire. we just saw two fight of the year candidates against two guys that weren't supposed to be competitive at all
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Do not think Frank Bruno/Henry Cooper was on any undercard after he challenged for a world title.
Even Lewis was headlining HBO after being sparked by McCall against Lionel Butler no less.
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Anthony Joshua’s next fight against Jermaine Franklin will be his first not broadcast as a PPV since September 2015.
However, with DAZN increasing their base monthly ‘Flexible Pass’ subscription price to £19.99.
When DAZN first launched in UK they began with an introductory price of just £1.99 per month, which soon increased to £7.99 per month.
Now the ‘Flexible Pass’ monthly rate going up to is £19.99 per month – this is what it will cost someone who’s not an existing subscriber to watch Joshua vs Franklin.
They are also offering a ‘Monthly Saver’ package which requires the buyer to sign up to DAZN for 12 months and pay £9.99 per month along the way.
And the final option is an ‘Annual Super Saver’ which required an up front payment of £99.99 to cover the full year.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...ncrease-price/
Finally just cancelled Dazn they have always struck me shady and haphazard. Won't get into all the lies about PPV and repeated price hikes. Pay 19.99 when there is a decent 'block' of fights inside a months' time. Just remember to cancel before hitting a month or they repeat charge :-X.
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Re: Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April First
franky's got good handspeed, will fuck up the Big Stiff by the 7th
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Master
Do not think Frank Bruno/Henry Cooper was on any undercard after he challenged for a world title.
Boxrec supplements my fading memory.
Herbie Hide lost to Vitali, and then fought on the undercard of Robin Reid v Soon Botes for the wbf s/middle, took me about 5 minutes to find, sure there are others.
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Master
Do not think Frank Bruno/Henry Cooper was on any undercard after they challenged for a world title.
Boxrec supplements my fading memory.
Herbie Hide lost to Vitali, and then fought on the undercard of Robin Reid v Soon Botes for the wbf s/middle, took me about 5 minutes to find, sure there are others.
You are not comparing AJ, Bruno or Copper to Herbie Hide with his minor WBO title are you?
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Master
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
Do not think Frank Bruno/Henry Cooper was on any undercard after they challenged for a world title.
Boxrec supplements my fading memory.
Herbie Hide lost to Vitali, and then fought on the undercard of Robin Reid v Soon Botes for the wbf s/middle, took me about 5 minutes to find, sure there are others.
You are not comparing AJ, Bruno or Copper to Herbie Hide with his minor WBO title are you?
Henry Cooper f40 l14
AJ f24 l3
Herbie f 49 l4
You work it out
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nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
Master
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nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
Master
Do not think Frank Bruno/Henry Cooper was on any undercard after they challenged for a world title.
Boxrec supplements my fading memory.
Herbie Hide lost to Vitali, and then fought on the undercard of Robin Reid v Soon Botes for the wbf s/middle, took me about 5 minutes to find, sure there are others.
You are not comparing AJ, Bruno or Copper to Herbie Hide with his minor WBO title are you?
Henry Cooper f40 l14
AJ f24 l3
Herbie f 49 l4
You work it out
Nothing to work out. Herbie Hide does not compare to Bruno, AJ and Cooper in terms of popularity regardless of his boxing record.
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Master
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
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nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
Master
Do not think Frank Bruno/Henry Cooper was on any undercard after they challenged for a world title.
Boxrec supplements my fading memory.
Herbie Hide lost to Vitali, and then fought on the undercard of Robin Reid v Soon Botes for the wbf s/middle, took me about 5 minutes to find, sure there are others.
You are not comparing AJ, Bruno or Copper to Herbie Hide with his minor WBO title are you?
Henry Cooper f40 l14
AJ f24 l3
Herbie f 49 l4
You work it out
Nothing to work out. Herbie Hide does not compare to Bruno, AJ and Cooper in terms of popularity regardless of his boxing record.
Forgot Frank Brunos record f40 l5, Do the maths, Herbie had the better record.
With respect to undercard slots once beaten by a champ, Bruno was on John Mugabis undercard twice, once after Mike Tyson and once after Tim Witherspoon
Opinions are like arseholes, everybody's got one
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Master
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
Do not think Frank Bruno/Henry Cooper was on any undercard after they challenged for a world title.
Boxrec supplements my fading memory.
Herbie Hide lost to Vitali, and then fought on the undercard of Robin Reid v Soon Botes for the wbf s/middle, took me about 5 minutes to find, sure there are others.
You are not comparing AJ, Bruno or Copper to Herbie Hide with his minor WBO title are you?
Henry Cooper f40 l14
AJ f24 l3
Herbie f 49 l4
You work it out
Nothing to work out. Herbie Hide does not compare to Bruno, AJ and Cooper in terms of popularity regardless of his boxing record.
Forgot Frank Brunos record f40 l5, Do the maths, Herbie had the better record.
With respect to undercard slots once beaten by a champ, Bruno was on John Mugabis undercard twice, once after Mike Tyson and once after Tim Witherspoon
Opinions are like arseholes, everybody's got one
Sorry forgot to mention till I noticed the 'in terms of popularity' phrase, what has that got to do with it? Elvis is/was/is still the most popular man on the planet, but he can't box! Would you rate Hughy Fury in the top ten because he was on Love Island?
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I do not rate Tommy Fury but he is involved in a main event with Logan Paul in Saudi Arabia PPV. They are not good boxers but bring in the fans.
I do not see AJ being on any under card anytime soon.
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Master
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
Do not think Frank Bruno/Henry Cooper was on any undercard after they challenged for a world title.
Boxrec supplements my fading memory.
Herbie Hide lost to Vitali, and then fought on the undercard of Robin Reid v Soon Botes for the wbf s/middle, took me about 5 minutes to find, sure there are others.
You are not comparing AJ, Bruno or Copper to Herbie Hide with his minor WBO title are you?
Henry Cooper f40 l14
AJ f24 l3
Herbie f 49 l4
You work it out
Nothing to work out. Herbie Hide does not compare to Bruno, AJ and Cooper in terms of popularity regardless of his boxing record.
Forgot Frank Brunos record f40 l5, Do the maths, Herbie had the better record.
With respect to undercard slots once beaten by a champ, Bruno was on John Mugabis undercard twice, once after Mike Tyson and once after Tim Witherspoon
Opinions are like arseholes, everybody's got one
I know you’re using their records because it suits your argument, but you’ve given a perfect example of why you CANNOT tell who is best by comparing records.
Herbie Hide - 49 fights - his first 19 fights were at “road sweeper” standard, his last 14 fights were at cruiserweight. He fought in 6 world title fights , fighting 3 past,present or future World champions.
Anthony Joshua - fought 27 times , 12 of which were world title fights and fought 7 past, present or future World champions.
Frank Bruno - fought 45 times , fighting 5 world title fights and fought 7 past , present or future World Champions.
The standard of opposition that AJ & Bruno fought and beat is way about those on Herbie’s record.
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
Do not think Frank Bruno/Henry Cooper was on any undercard after they challenged for a world title.
Boxrec supplements my fading memory.
Herbie Hide lost to Vitali, and then fought on the undercard of Robin Reid v Soon Botes for the wbf s/middle, took me about 5 minutes to find, sure there are others.
You are not comparing AJ, Bruno or Copper to Herbie Hide with his minor WBO title are you?
Henry Cooper f40 l14
AJ f24 l3
Herbie f 49 l4
You work it out
Nothing to work out. Herbie Hide does not compare to Bruno, AJ and Cooper in terms of popularity regardless of his boxing record.
Forgot Frank Brunos record f40 l5, Do the maths, Herbie had the better record.
With respect to undercard slots once beaten by a champ, Bruno was on John Mugabis undercard twice, once after Mike Tyson and once after Tim Witherspoon
Opinions are like arseholes, everybody's got one
Sorry forgot to mention till I noticed the 'in terms of popularity' phrase, what has that got to do with it? Elvis is/was/is still the most popular man on the planet, but he can't box! Would you rate Hughy Fury in the top ten because he was on Love Island?
Popularity is everything. It is prize fighting. Even at the very bottom of the rung the fighters who can sell tickets will get the opportunities. If you can't sell tickets and bring in a crowd, then you are not going anywhere. Often there are better fighters on the undercard, but it is the tickets sellers who will headline and bring in the punters to pay the promoters bills.
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Re: Anthony Joshua v Jermaine Franklin April First
During the launch press conference for his fight with Franklin, ‘AJ’ was asked by boxing promoter Eddie Hearn what was motivating during this pivotal time in his career.
“Money,” Joshua said repeatedly before Hearn had even finished asking the question. “I like making money. Straight up. Like, this is a prizefighting sport.
“I’ve been broke. My family has been broke. I know what this s*** means and I do it because I’m good at it and I hustle hard.
“When it’s all said and done no-one will care about me no more. So, I’ve got to make the most of it while I’m here.”
According to Forbes, Joshua is already a very rich man and has amassed a £38 million fortune after becoming one of the biggest stars in boxing during his tens years as a professional.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...aine-franklin/
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I'm surprised at that figure thought joshua would be worth a lot more than that.
Money his driving factor? Don't quite get that
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I'm surprised at that figure thought joshua would be worth a lot more than that.
Money his driving factor? Don't quite get that
That was exactly my first thought. this is it though , it’s how it’s written .
“What somebody is worth” isn’t money in the bank.
“He has amassed a £38m fortune” is closer to that ,earnings AFTER TAX etc.
This is why there is always so much bollocks talked about people like Conor Macgregor for example. He’s worth a fortune because people pay to see him (fuck knows why??)
But Dana White’s company used to take a massive commission off fighters, meaning that they were probably only “taking home” about 20% of the purse that gets banded around.
Most of this wealth is just an illusion nowadays.
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nuggetdotcom
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nuggetdotcom
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Master
Do not think Frank Bruno/Henry Cooper was on any undercard after they challenged for a world title.
Boxrec supplements my fading memory.
Herbie Hide lost to Vitali, and then fought on the undercard of Robin Reid v Soon Botes for the wbf s/middle, took me about 5 minutes to find, sure there are others.
You are not comparing AJ, Bruno or Copper to Herbie Hide with his minor WBO title are you?
Henry Cooper f40 l14
AJ f24 l3
Herbie f 49 l4
You work it out
Nothing to work out. Herbie Hide does not compare to Bruno, AJ and Cooper in terms of popularity regardless of his boxing record.
Forgot Frank Brunos record f40 l5, Do the maths, Herbie had the better record.
With respect to undercard slots once beaten by a champ, Bruno was on John Mugabis undercard twice, once after Mike Tyson and once after Tim Witherspoon
Opinions are like arseholes, everybody's got one
I know you’re using their records because it suits your argument, but you’ve given a perfect example of why you CANNOT tell who is best by comparing records.
Herbie Hide - 49 fights - his first 19 fights were at “road sweeper” standard, his last 14 fights were at cruiserweight. He fought in 6 world title fights , fighting 3 past,present or future World champions.
Anthony Joshua - fought 27 times , 12 of which were world title fights and fought 7 past, present or future World champions.
Frank Bruno - fought 45 times , fighting 5 world title fights and fought 7 past , present or future World Champions.
The standard of opposition that AJ & Bruno fought and beat is way about those on Herbie’s record.
I was a road sweeper in Jaywick along the coast in Essex and I fought Herbie in the early 90s for 60 quid. Was it worth it. Fuck it was he broke my cheekbone
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Just to be clear
When I made my original comments about AJ not being worth a bill topping slot after his recent performance(s) there followed the sensible, boxing related comments and comparisons with older fighters of my youth, the normal stuff of this site, who coulda woulda shoulda. Then the popularity angle entered the argument which I for one poo poo'd, this site is about boxing after all.
Then I looked at AJ's wikipedia pages.....................
The purse monies he has been getting are mindblowing, he is truly a product of the media age, take a good amateur, turn him pro then get the media boys to do their work and keep your fingers crossed, some may call it 'popularity', I would call it hype, but if it sells PPV then so what. I did notice a recent post about Connor Wassname and UFC, same principle but on a beer money scale by comparison. Boxing ability has absolutely fuck all to do with the price of eggs.
Having said all that I dont begrudge any fighter the money, I just wish it could be shared on the basis of ability and results, not hype.
I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!
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nuggetdotcom
Just to be clear
When I made my original comments about AJ not being worth a bill topping slot after his recent performance(s) there followed the sensible, boxing related comments and comparisons with older fighters of my youth, the normal stuff of this site, who coulda woulda shoulda. Then the popularity angle entered the argument which I for one poo poo'd, this site is about boxing after all.
Then I looked at AJ's wikipedia pages.....................
The purse monies he has been getting are mindblowing, he is truly a product of the media age, take a good amateur, turn him pro then get the media boys to do their work and keep your fingers crossed, some may call it 'popularity', I would call it hype, but if it sells PPV then so what. I did notice a recent post about Connor Wassname and UFC, same principle but on a beer money scale by comparison. Boxing ability has absolutely fuck all to do with the price of eggs.
Having said all that I dont begrudge any fighter the money, I just wish it could be shared on the basis of ability and results, not hype.
I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!
Audley woulda raked it in.
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nuggetdotcom
Just to be clear
When I made my original comments about AJ not being worth a bill topping slot after his recent performance(s) there followed the sensible, boxing related comments and comparisons with older fighters of my youth, the normal stuff of this site, who coulda woulda shoulda. Then the popularity angle entered the argument which I for one poo poo'd, this site is about boxing after all.
Then I looked at AJ's wikipedia pages.....................
The purse monies he has been getting are mindblowing, he is truly a product of the media age, take a good amateur, turn him pro then get the media boys to do their work and keep your fingers crossed, some may call it 'popularity', I would call it hype, but if it sells PPV then so what. I did notice a recent post about Connor Wassname and UFC, same principle but on a beer money scale by comparison. Boxing ability has absolutely fuck all to do with the price of eggs.
Having said all that I dont begrudge any fighter the money, I just wish it could be shared on the basis of ability and results, not hype.
I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!
Agreed with every single part of the above post, and have been banging on about it forever.
EXCEPT FOR THE LAST SENTENCE!
Audley had his chance when he turned pro. He had every top promoter in the World after him and became a millionaire without having a pro fight. Unfortunately he was BBC’s last throw of the dice before Sky etc. Mopped up. Some people even believe that Audley was to blame for the end of World class Boxing on free to air TV.
Audley basically:
Made some bad decisions
Wasn’t dedicated enough
Wasn’t good enough
Not exciting enough to sell out the “hype train”
Boxing ability is one thing , but it has to be backed up by bottle and a chin.
When you get found out, it’s over.
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Originally Posted by
nuggetdotcom
Just to be clear
When I made my original comments about AJ not being worth a bill topping slot after his recent performance(s) there followed the sensible, boxing related comments and comparisons with older fighters of my youth, the normal stuff of this site, who coulda woulda shoulda. Then the popularity angle entered the argument which I for one poo poo'd, this site is about boxing after all.
Then I looked at AJ's wikipedia pages.....................
The purse monies he has been getting are mindblowing, he is truly a product of the media age, take a good amateur, turn him pro then get the media boys to do their work and keep your fingers crossed, some may call it 'popularity', I would call it hype, but if it sells PPV then so what. I did notice a recent post about Connor Wassname and UFC, same principle but on a beer money scale by comparison. Boxing ability has absolutely fuck all to do with the price of eggs.
Having said all that I dont begrudge any fighter the money, I just wish it could be shared on the basis of ability and results, not hype.
I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!
Agreed with every single part of the above post, and have been banging on about it forever.
EXCEPT FOR THE LAST SENTENCE!
Audley had his chance when he turned pro. He had every top promoter in the World after him and became a millionaire without having a pro fight. Unfortunately he was BBC’s last throw of the dice before Sky etc. Mopped up. Some people even believe that Audley was to blame for the end of World class Boxing on free to air TV.
Audley basically:
Made some bad decisions
Wasn’t dedicated enough
Wasn’t good enough
Not exciting enough to sell out the “hype train”
Boxing ability is one thing , but it has to be backed up by bottle and a chin.
When you get found out, it’s over.
I didn't actually say Audley was any good, he just didn't have the same 'media managers' around him that AJ did 12 (not 8 as I said) years later.
Went with a group of local lads to see audley fight local (to us) lad Michael Sprott at Wembley, car got towed to the pound so we all ended up in a Wembley Indian, well lubricated, and asked the owner to book us a taxi home, we all had Sprott at 7/1 so were feeling no pain whatsoever.
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nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
nuggetdotcom
Just to be clear
When I made my original comments about AJ not being worth a bill topping slot after his recent performance(s) there followed the sensible, boxing related comments and comparisons with older fighters of my youth, the normal stuff of this site, who coulda woulda shoulda. Then the popularity angle entered the argument which I for one poo poo'd, this site is about boxing after all.
Then I looked at AJ's wikipedia pages.....................
The purse monies he has been getting are mindblowing, he is truly a product of the media age, take a good amateur, turn him pro then get the media boys to do their work and keep your fingers crossed, some may call it 'popularity', I would call it hype, but if it sells PPV then so what. I did notice a recent post about Connor Wassname and UFC, same principle but on a beer money scale by comparison. Boxing ability has absolutely fuck all to do with the price of eggs.
Having said all that I dont begrudge any fighter the money, I just wish it could be shared on the basis of ability and results, not hype.
I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!
Agreed with every single part of the above post, and have been banging on about it forever.
EXCEPT FOR THE LAST SENTENCE!
Audley had his chance when he turned pro. He had every top promoter in the World after him and became a millionaire without having a pro fight. Unfortunately he was BBC’s last throw of the dice before Sky etc. Mopped up. Some people even believe that Audley was to blame for the end of World class Boxing on free to air TV.
Audley basically:
Made some bad decisions
Wasn’t dedicated enough
Wasn’t good enough
Not exciting enough to sell out the “hype train”
Boxing ability is one thing , but it has to be backed up by bottle and a chin.
When you get found out, it’s over.
I didn't actually say Audley was any good, he just didn't have the same 'media managers' around him that AJ did 12 (not 8 as I said) years later.
Went with a group of local lads to see audley fight local (to us) lad Michael Sprott at Wembley, car got towed to the pound so we all ended up in a Wembley Indian, well lubricated, and asked the owner to book us a taxi home, we all had Sprott at 7/1 so were feeling no pain whatsoever.
No, but you alluded to the fact that Audley would’ve raked it in.
But he had the same chances that AJ had. The difference is that you have to back up the hype with a bit of substance.
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some of these youtubers don't show much substance to back up the hype
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Joshua told the BBC : “Listen, I’m not perfect and it’s not the right thing to have done.
“I didn’t speak to Usyk but I spoke to Wladimir [Klitschko] and said give Usyk a pat on the shoulder and tell him well done and I apologise, that’s man-to-man.
“But it was just raw and it may not make sense to a lot of people, but it made a lot of sense to me.
“And it was just how much it means, to a degree.
“I thought I would feel like that at the end of my career – when it’s all said and done I’d just be like, ‘Wow, what a rollercoaster, I made it through the trenches.’
“But I feel getting so close to fighting for the undisputed title and getting that fight with [Tyson] Fury that people want so much it was like, ‘Yeah, I’m nearly there’. Then, bosh, I didn’t hear my name.
“And then there were certain things in the ring that were said, not excuses, but one was, ‘You’re big and strong.’
“Remember a lot of athletes from the African/Caribbean community are told that they’re ‘strong’ and I feel like it’s quite degrading because we don’t get mentioned about our talent and technique.
“I’m aware of that because I am a black fighter, so when he said I’m big and strong it was just like alarm bells going off.
“There’s loads of things that were triggering me at the time and it was just pure, raw, uncut emotion.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...-rant-rematch/
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Joshua told the BBC : “Listen, I’m not perfect and it’s not the right thing to have done.
“I didn’t speak to Usyk but I spoke to Wladimir [Klitschko] and said give Usyk a pat on the shoulder and tell him well done and I apologise, that’s man-to-man.
“But it was just raw and it may not make sense to a lot of people, but it made a lot of sense to me.
“And it was just how much it means, to a degree.
“I thought I would feel like that at the end of my career – when it’s all said and done I’d just be like, ‘Wow, what a rollercoaster, I made it through the trenches.’
“But I feel getting so close to fighting for the undisputed title and getting that fight with [Tyson] Fury that people want so much it was like, ‘Yeah, I’m nearly there’. Then, bosh, I didn’t hear my name.
“And then there were certain things in the ring that were said, not excuses, but one was, ‘You’re big and strong.’
“Remember a lot of athletes from the African/Caribbean community are told that they’re ‘strong’ and I feel like it’s quite degrading because we don’t get mentioned about our talent and technique.
“I’m aware of that because I am a black fighter, so when he said I’m big and strong it was just like alarm bells going off.
“There’s loads of things that were triggering me at the time and it was just pure, raw, uncut emotion.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...-rant-rematch/
Now I have countlessly stuck up for AJ on here, but don’t start pulling the race card.
I heard what he was saying to Usyk about “what makes you better than me?” That could be seen as racist. “One of your lot” and all that.
Basically, he had a bit of a meltdown in the ring , he couldn’t work out why he didn’t have the answers, leave it like that.
Don’t embarrass yourself further.
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nuggetdotcom
Just to be clear
When I made my original comments about AJ not being worth a bill topping slot after his recent performance(s) there followed the sensible, boxing related comments and comparisons with older fighters of my youth, the normal stuff of this site, who coulda woulda shoulda. Then the popularity angle entered the argument which I for one poo poo'd, this site is about boxing after all.
Then I looked at AJ's wikipedia pages.....................
The purse monies he has been getting are mindblowing, he is truly a product of the media age, take a good amateur, turn him pro then get the media boys to do their work and keep your fingers crossed, some may call it 'popularity', I would call it hype, but if it sells PPV then so what. I did notice a recent post about Connor Wassname and UFC, same principle but on a beer money scale by comparison. Boxing ability has absolutely fuck all to do with the price of eggs.
Having said all that I dont begrudge any fighter the money, I just wish it could be shared on the basis of ability and results, not hype.
I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!
Agreed with every single part of the above post, and have been banging on about it forever.
EXCEPT FOR THE LAST SENTENCE!
Audley had his chance when he turned pro. He had every top promoter in the World after him and became a millionaire without having a pro fight. Unfortunately he was BBC’s last throw of the dice before Sky etc. Mopped up. Some people even believe that Audley was to blame for the end of World class Boxing on free to air TV.
Audley basically:
Made some bad decisions
Wasn’t dedicated enough
Wasn’t good enough
Not exciting enough to sell out the “hype train”
Boxing ability is one thing , but it has to be backed up by bottle and a chin.
When you get found out, it’s over.
I didn't actually say Audley was any good, he just didn't have the same 'media managers' around him that AJ did 12 (not 8 as I said) years later.
Went with a group of local lads to see audley fight local (to us) lad Michael Sprott at Wembley, car got towed to the pound so we all ended up in a Wembley Indian, well lubricated, and asked the owner to book us a taxi home, we all had Sprott at 7/1 so were feeling no pain whatsoever.
No, but you alluded to the fact that Audley would’ve raked it in.
But he had the same chances that AJ had. The difference is that you have to back up the hype with a bit of substance.
I think you'll find nosavingbythebell said that, not me, the substance bit is surely the stuff of debate, and everyone's got an opinion.
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I think it's a good fight for Joshua coming off losses & working with another new trainer
The question is does Joshua get any credit for winning?
If Joshua struggles like Whyte did there'll be the usual calls for him to retire
If he blows Franklin away they'll say he fought a nobody
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nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
nuggetdotcom
Just to be clear
When I made my original comments about AJ not being worth a bill topping slot after his recent performance(s) there followed the sensible, boxing related comments and comparisons with older fighters of my youth, the normal stuff of this site, who coulda woulda shoulda. Then the popularity angle entered the argument which I for one poo poo'd, this site is about boxing after all.
Then I looked at AJ's wikipedia pages.....................
The purse monies he has been getting are mindblowing, he is truly a product of the media age, take a good amateur, turn him pro then get the media boys to do their work and keep your fingers crossed, some may call it 'popularity', I would call it hype, but if it sells PPV then so what. I did notice a recent post about Connor Wassname and UFC, same principle but on a beer money scale by comparison. Boxing ability has absolutely fuck all to do with the price of eggs.
Having said all that I dont begrudge any fighter the money, I just wish it could be shared on the basis of ability and results, not hype.
I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!
Agreed with every single part of the above post, and have been banging on about it forever.
EXCEPT FOR THE LAST SENTENCE!
Audley had his chance when he turned pro. He had every top promoter in the World after him and became a millionaire without having a pro fight. Unfortunately he was BBC’s last throw of the dice before Sky etc. Mopped up. Some people even believe that Audley was to blame for the end of World class Boxing on free to air TV.
Audley basically:
Made some bad decisions
Wasn’t dedicated enough
Wasn’t good enough
Not exciting enough to sell out the “hype train”
Boxing ability is one thing , but it has to be backed up by bottle and a chin.
When you get found out, it’s over.
I didn't actually say Audley was any good, he just didn't have the same 'media managers' around him that AJ did 12 (not 8 as I said) years later.
Went with a group of local lads to see audley fight local (to us) lad Michael Sprott at Wembley, car got towed to the pound so we all ended up in a Wembley Indian, well lubricated, and asked the owner to book us a taxi home, we all had Sprott at 7/1 so were feeling no pain whatsoever.
No, but you alluded to the fact that Audley would’ve raked it in.
But he had the same chances that AJ had. The difference is that you have to back up the hype with a bit of substance.
I think you'll find nosavingbythebell said that, not me, the substance bit is surely the stuff of debate, and everyone's got an opinion.
So what does Your comment “ I bet Audley Harrison is sick, if only he was 8 years younger!!!!” Imply?
Brock just latched onto that like he does.