Pacquiao doesn’t want Spence
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Pacquiao wants Mayweather, Thurman, Porter, or D. Garcia. For all of you people thinking that Pacquiao beats Spence, we all know now that he wants no part of him. He doesn’t want Crawford either.
Pacquiao is still a solid fighter, but he knows that he isn’t elite anymore and won’t beat the top fighters. I just wish he would go away if he isn’t going to fight the best and just handpick lesser opponents. I didn’t even watch the Broner fight. I was busy that day and had no desire to watch the replay.
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This is a good thing. Spence is far too young, fresh and good for Manny. He does look stupid being at ringside now.
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Shouldn’t surprise anyone. I didn’t like Spence calling out porter as his plan b though, who needs to see that.
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Smart man. He knows he has done very well to scratch his way back and still be sitting center stage and fighting decently enough. No need to be carted off under a horrible beating and restricted to a liquid diet for weeks. It would be good exposure and coin for Spence but he doesn't need Manny to put him over with fans. They seemed to be pushing a Porter match but it feels so so after Porters showing with Ugas. But unification is the way to go because I can't see anyone in the ibf top 12 giving him too much trouble.
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The problem is that I don’t want Pacquiao taking away fights from Spence. So if Porter is on his list, Porter is most likely going to pick Pacquiao over Spence because it’s an easier fight and most likely more money.
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What’s wrong with that scenario though? Porter vs pac is an interesting enough fight. Spence vs porter is a forgone conclusion. If the fight with Crawford can’t get done, I wouldn’t mind seeing Spence just move up to 154, its an ask but what else is worth doing? There are a bunch of great fights to make there.
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Spence is a pick 'em fight for me, but I can see why Manny would avoid it as another loss kind of ends his career. For whatever reason he seems intent on extending his career and fights with the likes of Garcia or Thurman are much more predictable Manny wins. Spence would be a difficult fight for sure, but I just see Manny putting him down and retreating like almost every one else. Manny should let Floyd go. Floyd is done against proper fighters.
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Master
This is a good thing. Spence is far too young, fresh and good for Manny. He does look stupid being at ringside now.
yeah, it's a good thing that a guy can earn big money living off past glories into his 40's without taking on the best.:rolleyes: How is this any different to what your mate Floyd does?
and not only was he at ringside, the cunt gets in the ring and doesn't refuse the challenge. No way on earth after all his years in Boxing is he naïve enough to not realize that being at ringside , that they are gonna call him into the ring.
The guy is a blagger and a bullshitter of the highest order. Sorry Miles , really don't wish to get into a long drawn out slanging match over this.
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What’s wrong with that scenario though? Porter vs pac is an interesting enough fight. Spence vs porter is a forgone conclusion. If the fight with Crawford can’t get done, I wouldn’t mind seeing Spence just move up to 154, its an ask but what else is worth doing? There are a bunch of great fights to make there.
Because Spence needs to clean out the division. Porter is a solid fighter and would be a solid victory. Nothing is a foregone conclusion. Spence still needs to prove that he is the best welterweight. It’s just hard if everyone avoids him.
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Pacquiao gets who he wants. Worst case is he picks Porter because Thurman won’t fight Spence. If PAC chooses Thurman it leaves Porter available.
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We all want Spence-Crawford. Hopefully the powers that be will make it happen sooner rather than later. By later I mean when age begins to creep in as an excuse. Now that Spence dispatched Mikey back down to the lighter weights... and after Crawford is done dispatching the "Brook-dodging" Khan... hopefully it'll start clearing the way toward The Big One. Of course, I wouldn't mind the Thurmans and the Porters of the division getting in there first, just to establish that Spence and Crawford are indeed the cream of the division. Pac was great but his time is done. That would be just another distraction and time delay for The Big One, which is what we boxing fans really want to see. Hopefully it won't be treated like Pac-Floyd was handled..... horribly.
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We all want Spence-Crawford. Hopefully the powers that be will make it happen sooner rather than later. By later I mean when age begins to creep in as an excuse. Now that Spence dispatched Mikey back down to the lighter weights... and after Crawford is done dispatching the "Brook-dodging" Khan... hopefully it'll start clearing the way toward The Big One. Of course, I wouldn't mind the Thurmans and the Porters of the division getting in there first, just to establish that Spence and Crawford are indeed the cream of the division. Pac was great but his time is done. That would be just another distraction and time delay for The Big One, which is what we boxing fans really want to see. Hopefully it won't be treated like Pac-Floyd was handled..... horribly.
Different scenarios. Anyone that understands the sport knew Floyd would fleece Manny. So of course Bob wasn’t in a rush.Spence/Crawford is a mystery.
Spence’s PPV seems above 360k in buys so let’s hope Crawford’s tops 300k to move closer. I doubt it does good numbers though. Like always in boxing I expect things to go wrong. The numbers will say Crawford should take less and Bob will refuse, that part we’ve seen before.
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We all want Spence-Crawford. Hopefully the powers that be will make it happen sooner rather than later. By later I mean when age begins to creep in as an excuse. Now that Spence dispatched Mikey back down to the lighter weights... and after Crawford is done dispatching the "Brook-dodging" Khan... hopefully it'll start clearing the way toward The Big One. Of course, I wouldn't mind the Thurmans and the Porters of the division getting in there first, just to establish that Spence and Crawford are indeed the cream of the division. Pac was great but his time is done. That would be just another distraction and time delay for The Big One, which is what we boxing fans really want to see. Hopefully it won't be treated like Pac-Floyd was handled..... horribly.
Different scenarios. Anyone that understands the sport knew Floyd would fleece Manny. So of course Bob wasn’t in a rush.Spence/Crawford is a mystery.
Spence’s PPV seems above 360k in buys so let’s hope Crawford’s tops 300k to move closer. I doubt it does good numbers though. Like always in boxing I expect things to go wrong. The numbers will say Crawford should take less and Bob will refuse, that part we’ve seen before.
It may come down to Crawford and what he wants. If he wants to become another pawn in boxing's mindless promoter games, I guess we may be in for another "Floyd-Pac circus". If Bud really wants Spence in the ring, it'll happen with the timing that will please the fans.
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What’s wrong with that scenario though? Porter vs pac is an interesting enough fight. Spence vs porter is a forgone conclusion. If the fight with Crawford can’t get done, I wouldn’t mind seeing Spence just move up to 154, its an ask but what else is worth doing? There are a bunch of great fights to make there.
Because Spence needs to clean out the division. Porter is a solid fighter and would be a solid victory. Nothing is a foregone conclusion. Spence still needs to prove that he is the best welterweight. It’s just hard if everyone avoids him.
Im biased because I don’t enjoy watching porter fight, but I don’t think he even won his last fight. He grabbed a vacant title since Thurman was awol in the first place, and Thurman has expressed no real willingness to fight Spence prior. The best welterweight is Spence or Crawford and everyone knows that, if it’s going to be a case where the fight can’t get made, I’d rather just see at least one of them pursue something interesting. Spence is a really big ww anyways, he could easily just weigh in at 150ish and leave himself options.
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Ron Swanson
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TitoFan
We all want Spence-Crawford. Hopefully the powers that be will make it happen sooner rather than later. By later I mean when age begins to creep in as an excuse. Now that Spence dispatched Mikey back down to the lighter weights... and after Crawford is done dispatching the "Brook-dodging" Khan... hopefully it'll start clearing the way toward The Big One. Of course, I wouldn't mind the Thurmans and the Porters of the division getting in there first, just to establish that Spence and Crawford are indeed the cream of the division. Pac was great but his time is done. That would be just another distraction and time delay for The Big One, which is what we boxing fans really want to see. Hopefully it won't be treated like Pac-Floyd was handled..... horribly.
Different scenarios. Anyone that understands the sport knew Floyd would fleece Manny. So of course Bob wasn’t in a rush.Spence/Crawford is a mystery.
Spence’s PPV seems above 360k in buys so let’s hope Crawford’s tops 300k to move closer. I doubt it does good numbers though. Like always in boxing I expect things to go wrong. The numbers will say Crawford should take less and Bob will refuse, that part we’ve seen before.
It may come down to Crawford and what he wants. If he wants to become another pawn in boxing's mindless promoter games, I guess we may be in for another "Floyd-Pac circus".
If Bud really wants Spence in the ring, it'll happen with the timing that will please the fans.
They probably haven't made much money at such an early stage (I mean retirement-securing money), so I wouldn't expect them to really want to risk a loss just yet. But of course that would apply to everyone.
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Ron Swanson
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TitoFan
We all want Spence-Crawford. Hopefully the powers that be will make it happen sooner rather than later. By later I mean when age begins to creep in as an excuse. Now that Spence dispatched Mikey back down to the lighter weights... and after Crawford is done dispatching the "Brook-dodging" Khan... hopefully it'll start clearing the way toward The Big One. Of course, I wouldn't mind the Thurmans and the Porters of the division getting in there first, just to establish that Spence and Crawford are indeed the cream of the division. Pac was great but his time is done. That would be just another distraction and time delay for The Big One, which is what we boxing fans really want to see. Hopefully it won't be treated like Pac-Floyd was handled..... horribly.
Different scenarios. Anyone that understands the sport knew Floyd would fleece Manny. So of course Bob wasn’t in a rush.Spence/Crawford is a mystery.
Spence’s PPV seems above 360k in buys so let’s hope Crawford’s tops 300k to move closer. I doubt it does good numbers though. Like always in boxing I expect things to go wrong. The numbers will say Crawford should take less and Bob will refuse, that part we’ve seen before.
It may come down to Crawford and what he wants. If he wants to become another pawn in boxing's mindless promoter games, I guess we may be in for another "Floyd-Pac circus".
If Bud really wants Spence in the ring, it'll happen with the timing that will please the fans.
They probably haven't made much money at such an early stage (I mean retirement-securing money), so I wouldn't expect them to really want to risk a loss just yet. But of course that would apply to everyone.
No doubt money is the determining factor here. If so then it's too bad, because a loss by either fighter... unless it's a catastrophic loss... shouldn't be seen as the end of their earning power. If the fight's good there's always the rematch to be had. At least that's how it was back in the simpler days of boxing.... before the mega-million dollar purses. Plenty of ATG's with at least one loss on their records.
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Espinoza says Bob has made no attempts, not a single call, about Wilder/Fury, Garcia/Loma, Spence/Crawford, nor returned calls about said fights. Which who knows who to believe in boxing but does fit the history
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Are Garcia, Thurman, and Porter THAT bad in your opinion??? I feel they are less threatening than Spence and Crawford, bot those guys are still elite fighters in my book. They are highly ranked Turkistan in boxing’s deepest division, so I can’t really see the case against Manny picking one of this guys before fighting Spence or Crawford.
I prefer one of those fights as I want to see Crawford v Spence before the fight sours or someone comes in
Overconfident and loses. I say have a tourney with Manny vs Thurman, Garcia vs Spence, and Crawford vs Porter. Have the winners fight and eventually crown an undisputed champ. No matter what though, Manny has earned a gimme fight at this point and NONE of those guys (Thurman, Porter, Garcia) are bums or gimme fights.
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Are Garcia, Thurman, and Porter THAT bad in your opinion??? I feel they are less threatening than Spence and Crawford, bot those guys are still elite fighters in my book. They are highly ranked Turkistan in boxing’s deepest division, so I can’t really see the case against Manny picking one of this guys before fighting Spence or Crawford.
I prefer one of those fights as I want to see Crawford v Spence before the fight sours or someone comes in
Overconfident and loses. I say have a tourney with Manny vs Thurman, Garcia vs Spence, and Crawford vs Porter. Have the winners fight and eventually crown an undisputed champ. No matter what though, Manny has earned a gimme fight at this point and NONE of those guys (Thurman, Porter, Garcia) are bums or gimme fights.
Maybe i missed something, but I dont think anyone is saying those guys are bad fights for Manny. In fact all 3 would be great pick em fights. Most were just saying Spence vs Crawford is THE fight to be made, not just in the division, but in the sport right now. Thurman, having beaten the other 2 guys you mention, is obviously a credible challenger to Spence or Crawford also, but Im just not sure he wants THAT SMOKE:p His being off for so long with a pretty questionable injury, then getting hurt so bad last time against Lopez makes me doubt it at least.
Theres no question its still a good division with legit guys, but Its always annoying when there is a fight that is far and away the best to be made that isnt clamored for.
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mikeeod
Are Garcia, Thurman, and Porter THAT bad in your opinion??? I feel they are less threatening than Spence and Crawford, bot those guys are still elite fighters in my book. They are highly ranked Turkistan in boxing’s deepest division, so I can’t really see the case against Manny picking one of this guys before fighting Spence or Crawford.
I prefer one of those fights as I want to see Crawford v Spence before the fight sours or someone comes in
Overconfident and loses. I say have a tourney with Manny vs Thurman, Garcia vs Spence, and Crawford vs Porter. Have the winners fight and eventually crown an undisputed champ. No matter what though, Manny has earned a gimme fight at this point and NONE of those guys (Thurman, Porter, Garcia) are bums or gimme fights.
My point was that there were people on this board that were saying Pacquiao would best Spence and this showed that he wanted no part of him. And Pacquiao has taken tons of gimme fights. He hasn’t really fought a top guy since Mayweather. I wouldn’t be opposed to him fighting someone like Porter, but he could have fought him long ago if he wanted. He could have fought any of those three guys long ago, but now that Spence and Crawford are in the division, those three guys become guys he wants to fight.
But I do agree that a tournament would be great
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I'm beginning to bolster more to Manny in the big picture. Not even sure how bolster is applicable here but I'm rolling with it :-X. Manny is Manny. And the fact is Thurman is fresh out of witness protection escaping a tko to Lopez. Once his hands start moving faster than his mouth we can lean team Thurman. Porter just played Peter Pan and was walked down by Ugas. Danny Garcia is fighting Adrian Granados for a 'title belt'. Pac is looking at a buffet here, win lose or draw, and clear PBC knows.
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p4pking
What’s wrong with that scenario though? Porter vs pac is an interesting enough fight. Spence vs porter is a forgone conclusion. If the fight with Crawford can’t get done, I wouldn’t mind seeing Spence just move up to 154, its an ask but what else is worth doing? There are a bunch of great fights to make there.
With the exception of Crawford, Spence Jr V anyone at 147 is a virtual foregone conclusion.
Spence deserves to the chance to cement a legacy at 147 though, as there a too many good fighters there that he could & should be fighting.
