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US Military - Boxing training manual
Not sure if anyone is interested in this, but I was downloading a few things and came across this.
As the topic says, it's a training manual given to boxers that are in the US Military.
I've had a little bit of a browse over it and some of it could be interesting reading.
It's a small file so I figured i'd upload it for people to download.
http://www.geocities.com/cillenmolin/boxing_manual.pdf
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That's nice Diz, have a CC.
I've read that one a long time back, nothing new or interesting. It has a few general strategems for fighting against different styles. Thanks for posting this.
The best book on the subject that I've found was produced by the navy. It has different sequences of counters, like the ones that greynotsoold posted, also shows youd different techniques that are no longer taught today. There's reprints available. I got myself a copy for 12 bucks.
I have some useful ebooks regarding sponsorships and boxing if anyone's interested.
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Thanks.. Yeah grey was a bit of a training manual himself when it came down to applying techniques to certain situations...
I only had a quick look of that PDF as I was busy with other stuff, mainly just the table of contents which had as you said, the parts about fighting different styles..
I've got a great e-book that lists a LOT of counters.. I've gone though a hard drive or 2 since I first got it though so it may have bene lost in the process. But i'll have a look and post if it pops up.
Also, does anyone remember the one posted quite a while back that had really good sketches of the moves and the guys in the sketches were on like a grid?? That had some great punches and counters. I know I printed it but i'll try to find a copy of that as well. Unless someone knows the one i'm talking about.
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Actually Diz, Grey as he mentioned himself used a boxing manual on here, often at times he spoke from memory, but a lot of times referred back to the book for details. He even told exactly the name of book, and it's author. It's "Boxing" by Edwin L. Haislet. I've scanned a copy of the book. If anyone is interested just pm me and I'll send you a copy.
It's a good book, it shows you how to move, punch and a lot of defensive techniques that are absent in the gyms and instructionals that are shown now a days. The only thing that it's too thin on is the different shifts (drop shift, rear shift, quickshift) which if mastered gives you a big edge over your opposition.
I also have a copy of Jack Dempsey's Championship fighting and Explosive Defense, it's not as technical as Haislet's, but it contains a lot of his insights when it comes to punching.
In my humble opinion, this is the only technical boxing book worth buying:
"An interesting comparison can be made by looking at two different boxing training manuals one published in 2000 and the other published in 1943 (Naval Aviation Training Manual 1st edition). The old National Police Gazette’s often had famous boxers demonstrate their techniques. Some of these types of techniques can be seen in the Naval Aviator boxing manual but are absent from the modern instruction book. The modern manual is not at all bad showing parries, covering, and ducking, slipping, as well as shoulder and forearm blocks. The older book however also explains stopping (or pinning/trapping), cuffing, weaving, shifting (quick shift, drop shift, rear shift), folding, and open glove blocking –catching the opponent’s leads in the butt of the glove. The older masters had a greater variety of defensive techniques at their disposal than what is being taught in most gyms today."
You look at the fighters that knew these techniques and you'll be picking out names like Bernard Hopkins, James Toney, McCallum, Floyd Mayweather Jr. Watching them in action you can see the skills that separated them from their competition.
I know what you're talking about. Anyways I posted that manual that contains all the sketches of some good techniques which is presented with a grid. I'm surprised you didn't notice it, it's right above your post "Are you too old for boxing" :) I also have it in pdf which you can download, which I have made available in that post.
If you could take a few minutes out of your day to find that e-book full of counters I'd really appreciate it. I can send you some great e-books in return.
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Nuh I didn't notice that manual still on here but i'm going to go download it now as I havn't a clue where my copy is.. good work!
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Chris N i was wondering if you might be able to send me c copy of that Boxing by " Edwin L Haislet"
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It's no problem at all. Check your private message box.
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Hey Chris,
Would you mind sending me the Edwin Haislet book too? I've been looking for it all over. I'd really appreciate it! Thanks! ;D
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Hello everyone and hi Chris..
I was wondering if I could get a copy of the Edwin Haislets book too :P
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I've just googled Edwin Haislet and couldn't find anything on him - was he a great boxer I should know about?
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He wrote a manual on boxing in 1940,that discusses the importance of balance,it was his writings on that aspect of the sport that would be a huge influence on the younger Bruce Lee
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Wow thanks Monkey - I forget sometimes how much history there is in boxing. I didn't know Bruce Lee drew inspiration from boxing either - although I know disgustingly little about Bruce Lee.
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Wow thanks Monkey - I forget sometimes how much history there is in boxing. I didn't know Bruce Lee drew inspiration from boxing either - although I know disgustingly little about Bruce Lee.
Most martial arts,if practiced traditionally,fight from the cat stance,or the horse stance,Lee was up on his toes alot.
Thats probably where he got the idea from
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He wrote a manual on boxing in 1940,that discusses the importance of balance,it was his writings on that aspect of the sport that would be a huge influence on the younger Bruce Lee
It wasn't a discussion on balance per say, it was aboxing manual that covered everything from punches, stance, counters/sequences and some nuances that are no longer taught today. Anyways Edwin L. Haislet was a boxing coach that trained golden gloves fighters and over the years had gathered what he new and wrote a boxing manual on it.
His book didn't influence a younger Bruce Lee either. Bruce Lee in the beginning was brought up in Wing Chun. He was very analytical and was interested in many books, practitioners, and different media covering the martial arts. As he grew older he began to phase away from Wing Chun forms and began incorporating a lot of boxing methods, even studying fights by Ali, Willy Pep, an other fighters. There's no point in making a discussion our of it.
He was no innovator or original thinker, but I believe he was objective enough as to see things as an original observer. In otherwords, asking the right questions and trying finding all the right answers.
He quoted Haislet's print almost word by word, along with copying the words of Jack Dempsey from Dempsey's manual and everything else that suited his interests. Fencing has a lot of applications that are suitable for boxing. Although much of the moves are different, some of the methods and tactics still apply. Example feinting to provoke a parry and preceding to counter, control of the distance/pace, and the tempo/cadence/rhythem these are things that great fighters like Pep, Ali, and other great fighters have found on their own. Bruce Lee was able to find it, it's not burried you can find them out for yourself. The moves and techniques are meaningless, knowing isn't enough as understanding them and being able to apply them on a moment's notice.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
He wrote a manual on boxing in 1940,that discusses the importance of balance,it was his writings on that aspect of the sport that would be a huge influence on the younger Bruce Lee
It wasn't a discussion on balance per say, it was aboxing manual that covered everything from punches, stance, counters/sequences and some nuances that are no longer taught today. Anyways Edwin L. Haislet was a boxing coach that trained golden gloves fighters and over the years had gathered what he new and wrote a boxing manual on it.
His book didn't influence a younger Bruce Lee either. Bruce Lee in the beginning was brought up in Wing Chun. He was very analytical and was interested in many books, practitioners, and different media covering the martial arts. As he grew older he began to phase away from Wing Chun forms and began incorporating a lot of boxing methods, even studying fights by Ali, Willy Pep, an other fighters. There's no point in making a discussion our of it.
He was no innovator or original thinker, but I believe he was objective enough as to see things as an original observer. In otherwords, asking the right questions and trying finding all the right answers.
He quoted Haislet's print almost word by word, along with copying the words of Jack Dempsey from Dempsey's manual and everything else that suited his interests. Fencing has a lot of applications that are suitable for boxing. Although much of the moves are different, some of the methods and tactics still apply. Example feinting to provoke a parry and preceding to counter, control of the distance/pace, and the tempo/cadence/rhythem these are things that great fighters like Pep, Ali, and other great fighters have found on their own. Bruce Lee was able to find it, it's not burried you can find them out for yourself. The moves and techniques are meaningless, knowing isn't enough as understanding them and being able to apply them on a moment's notice.
Actually Chris the things from his manual that seemed to intrest Lee the most involved balance
Honestly,fencing as its currently done,is for shit,youd be better off with the SCA which at least involves full contact
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And Lee was incredibly inovative at the time,not only in his training of caucasians,but also in his understanding of a simple fact,and one at the time only one other person agreed with him .
You arent JUST training an art form
The person your training needs to defend themselves with what your teaching,dogmatism is useless against a well aimed trash can
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I'm not attacking your opinion, it's irrelevant. From what I noticed is how Bruce Lee's footwork and punching has changed. Before he drew from the manuals you could see from the training footage that he through WIng Chun punches, his footwork was also unorganised before his boxing influence. I read an account from Lewis who was one of his students saying how he spent hours at a time practicing footwork and incorporating the boxing punches. Balance was an interest as with all his attributes but it wasn't a single obssesion more like a culmination of elements. Fencing has a lot of positives, to discount them is simply being closed minded. Each style is constricted by it's own form, such as many people are through their own bias and opinions.
Personally I'd rather be an "al la carta" fighter, the bigger the menu, the more I can use.
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Originally Posted by Chris N.
I'm not attacking your opinion, it's irrelevant. From what I noticed is how Bruce Lee's footwork and punching has changed. Before he drew from the manuals you could see from the training footage that he through WIng Chun punches, his footwork was also unorganised before his boxing influence. I read an account from Lewis who was one of his students saying how he spent hours at a time practicing footwork and incorporating the boxing punches. Balance was an interest as with all his attributes but it wasn't a single obssesion more like a combinations. Fencing has a lot of positives, to discount them is simply being closed minded. Each style is constricted by it's own form, such as many people are through their own bias and opinions.
Personally I'd rather be an "al la carta" fighter, the more I can use, then the bigger the menu.
Ever see the SCA?
Youd see where Id discount fencing,mind Fencing is part of it,but we discount the guys who only do that
Trust me son,I know very well what a gorget is,I have 4 different ones
I know what a halbred is,
I own a bacinet
My son is named after the king of the Visigoths
I know more different styles then just about anyone i know,thats not being cocky,that just is
Your 19 years old and cocky
Im alot older
You try to discount me,but Ive spent my whole life abtaining martial knowledge,and guess what? Ive had longer to do it.
The origin of the white and the black belt.
Novices where handed white belts,over time they dirtied as they studied
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Easy Monkey, don't get me wrong I'm not shooting you down. You outta know that you're entitled to your opinions without worrying about what I think. I've been an objective enough not to accept things at face value, it's not too much learn what's out there, and to ask "Why?" I haven't criticized you, I've just put down what I know. Who's to say what's true and what really matters?
Cheer up, I'll give you a :coolclick: raincheck for a drink :). No disrespect intended you just put the safety back on your halbred or bacinet back on safety before I have to take out my 9th dan dirty blackbelt and finish this mano y mano.
By the way your son's name is Al right? They did a special on the History Channel. And you're right I am Cocky, don't let that bother you, it's just further proof I have an opinion and enjoy a good joke. ;)
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Easy Monkey, don't get me wrong I'm not shooting you down. You outta know that you're entitled to your opinions without worrying about what I think. I've been an objective enough not to accept things at face value, it's not too much learn what's out there, and to ask "Why?" I haven't criticized you, I've just put down what I know. Who's to say what's true and what really matters?
Cheer up, I'll give you a :coolclick: raincheck for a drink :). No disrespect intended you just put the safety back on your halbred or bacinet back on safety before I have to take out my 9th dan dirty blackbelt and finish this mano y mano.
By the way your son's name is Al right? They did a special on the History Channel. And you're right I am Cocky, don't let that bother you, it's just further proof I have an opinion and enjoy a good joke. ;)
Welp those are indeed my sons names first two letters
Funny I allways thought of myself as an intellectual
But Im allways studying a martial style,I can rarely think of a time when I wasnt
My aunt said to me recently"You must get that from your fathers side"
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Were not on about Bruce Again are we .
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Were not on about Bruce Again are we .
It was a blow by,were on to much more obscure things now
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Well I don't consider myself intellectual, and anyways who doesn't have something to learn. If that was the case we'd all get busy dieing because if life is our textbook then after it must come our final exam. I wonder if God gives multiple choice because there's more than one route a person can go.
An ego makes people blind to other things out there, if we can't get past our egos then how are we to really learn, especially when it comes to learning from others where some humility is required. Now if you're a martial arts nut then you can appreciate this quote: "How can you expect to learn unless you first empty your own cup."
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Were not on about Bruce Again are we .
I said that we shouldn't make a discussion out of it, now look what happened. ;D
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Originally Posted by Chris N.
Well I don't consider myself intellectual, and anyways who doesn't have something to learn. If that was the case we'd all get busy dieing because if life is our textbook then after it must come our final exam. I wonder if God gives multiple choice because there's more than one route a person can go.
An ego makes people blind to other things out there, if we can't get past our egos then how are we to really learn, especially when it comes to learning from others where some humility is required. Now if you're a martial arts nut then you can appreciate this quote: "How can you expect to learn unless you first empty your own cup."
1 step towards greatness
Accept those whove achieved
I make my fighters watch tape,constantly
A constant litinaly for Ali is,"If you ever try that,Ilkill you myself"
Some people are ,just special
Rather then try to downgrade their specialness,create your own,that we can all see,and all ackowledge
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It's strange, my sense of humor usually back when there's a misunderstanding and when I'm trying to put out the fires. I guess I owe you one Monkey, I'd share a shot of rum that I keep under my bed saving it for a hard day. ;)
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Originally Posted by Chris N.
Well I don't consider myself intellectual, and anyways who doesn't have something to learn. If that was the case we'd all get busy dieing because if life is our textbook then after it must come our final exam. I wonder if God gives multiple choice because there's more than one route a person can go.
An ego makes people blind to other things out there, if we can't get past our egos then how are we to really learn, especially when it comes to learning from others where some humility is required. Now if you're a martial arts nut then you can appreciate this quote: "How can you expect to learn unless you first empty your own cup."
1 step towards greatness
Accept those whove achieved
I make my fighters watch tape,constantly
A constant litinaly for Ali is,"If you ever try that,Ilkill you myself"
Some people are ,just special
Rather then try to downgrade their specialness,create your own,that we can all see,and all ackowledge
Understand that greatness is bestowed to you by others, not by yourself.
My favorite story with Ali is when Ali was a young pro before he met Angelo Dundee, anyways he's riding the train from Louiville through Missouri/Mississippi, and he was driving his handlers mad to say the least. In places where whites didn't look kindly to a black kid with a big voice Ali couldn't stop himself from sticking his head right out the train window to exclaim "I Am The Greatest", his handlers were real upset telling him to get his head back inside and keep quite or they'll lynch us. How'd I loved to have seen the look on their faces... Priceless.
In boxing you need ability to go far, but you won't go anywhere without hard work and determination. Boxing is about sacrifice, and constant learning. Without progress you'd be the same person that you were earlier. There's also more to learning from great men besides their exploits and skills but in the way that they conduct themselves outside of their professions.
Look how you've made me talk, I hope you get something out of this. ;)
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Hey guys,
Does anybody have any other interesting reading material they can post a link to or email? Such as Jim Driscoll's Straight left and how to cultivate it or the old US Navy boxing manual? i found some scans of the art of boxing online and am enjoying checking out these old books. anybody?
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There's no scans of Jim Driscoll's book and the Navy boxing manual that I am aware of. If you're interested in them try ebay, amazon or a used book store that specializes in boxing.
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Chris do you think I could get a copy of Boxing" by Edwin L. Haislet? Thanks.
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sardineking
Chris do you think I could get a copy of Boxing" by Edwin L. Haislet? Thanks.
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[Edit: There is a better copy available here: Boxing by Haislet Edwin L. in Sports & Adventure All thanks to the effort of Kirk Lawson who republished and re-transcribed the book.]
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Was just seaching for 'Boxing by EDWIN L. HAISLET' & 'INTRAMURAL BOXING AY 01-02' found this thread :)
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Jim, check out the Ebooks thread in the training subsection. It has much more boxing books than you might ever read. ;)
Btw, Kirk Lawson has re-transcribed the Edwin Haislet book, and I supplied him with the missing page that was absent in my original raw scans. The link to his lulu storefront is in the ebooks thread. Did I mention that the ebooks are free? ;)
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Chris Nagel
Jim, check out the Ebooks thread in the training subsection. It has much more boxing books than you might ever read. ;)
Btw, Kirk Lawson has re-transcribed the Edwin Haislet book, and I supplied him with the missing page that was absent in my original raw scans. The link to his lulu storefront is in the ebooks thread. Did I mention that the ebooks are free? ;)
That's a coincidence, I had already found it on that lulu website. But yeah, i'll check out the Ebooks section... That sort of thing fascinates me (boxing, in theory)
Thanks man :)
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Chris, can you point me in the direction of aquiring Naval Aviation Training Manual 1st edition? I have been dying to read it since I heard about it!
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You can find a good deal for it on Amazon.com. It's not available in ebook form. If you want to view the original source, try Edwin L. Haislet's book. Haislet's ebook has been republished and can be viewed or purchased from Kirk Lawson's Lulu storefront.
The 1943 US Navel Aviation's Boxing, is a near-verbatim reprint of Haislet's book with several additions. An interesting addition is the chapter on feinting and drawing, clinching and infighting. The book outlines more combinations, and contains more details on the drop-shift, triples, as well as shifts. The photographs are nice, although they advocate a more 'square' stance than I would recommend.
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Trainer Monkey
Ever see the SCA?
Youd see where Id discount fencing,mind Fencing is part of it,but we discount the guys who only do that
Trust me son,I know very well what a gorget is,I have 4 different ones
I know what a halbred is,
I own a bacinet
My son is named after the king of the Visigoths
I know more different styles then just about anyone i know,thats not being cocky,that just is
Your 19 years old and cocky
Im alot older
You try to discount me,but Ive spent my whole life abtaining martial knowledge,and guess what? Ive had longer to do it.
The origin of the white and the black belt.
Novices where handed white belts,over time they dirtied as they studied
You are joke. If this is what you've come up with after spending your whole life "abtaining" (not a word by the way) martial knowledge, then your age is a badge of shame.
You own a "halbred"? (another non-word) If you tell me you own a piano, am I to believe you are Art Tatum reborn? What the heck has ANY name you might have given your son have to do with anything? You know more styles than anyone you know of? What's the point? Want to get on the cover of a joke magazine like BLACK BELT? The origin of the black and white belt has nothing to do with the myth you perpetuate. The belt hierarchy was instated by Jigoro Kano as a way to help disseminate judo.
Chris Nagel is one of the most self-effacing people I have had the pleasure to observe on the internet, despite possessing a precocious boxing intellect. To attack him is just showing what a jackass you really are.
This is an old post, and I sure hope somebody already tore you a new A-hole somewhere else on the forum for being such a pompous turd.
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Thanks Dadi. As you may have suspected, Trainer Monkey is no long an active part of this board. Eventually he started getting criticized for his comments and soon thereafter left of his own accord. :flush:
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Thanks for the Edwin Haislets e book, ive been looking for something like this for the last 3 years or so thanks alot guys ;D