Missed his fight at the arena, but caught it on TV yesterday.
Really impressed by the maturity of the performance against a very experienced (if a bit wild) opponent.
Looks like this kids got a bright future.
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Missed his fight at the arena, but caught it on TV yesterday.
Really impressed by the maturity of the performance against a very experienced (if a bit wild) opponent.
Looks like this kids got a bright future.
Yeah, i've been trying to keep up with he's career. He's light years ahead of Degale as far as development goes IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
I think Goldenboy have been showing there interest already.
Groves is looking better and better. Very impressive to get the stoppage. He made Adamu look worse than he is.
He seems way in front of DeGale and the like at the moment (as jim said). I'd make him favourite over Smith for the British.
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Originally Posted by JimboogieYeah, i've been trying to keep up with he's career. He's light years ahead of Degale as far as development goes IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
I think Goldenboy have been showing there interest already.
If you were comparing their careers to this current point groves in terms of ability has stole an absoloute march on de gale.
He hasnt had the bright lights and fame of the olympics, while de gale has been jollying it up groves has actually been working on making himself a world class fighter and not just claiming to be one
Another Adam Booth success story.
I definitely rate Groves ahead of Smith and Degale. Degale is all hype and Smith is over rated in my opinion.
He looks like he could potentially get better and better as he's only 22 now.
He walked in front of us after his fight on Saturday night, and didn't have a mark on him.
Looking forward to a Degale v Groves fight
I'd absolutely agree with that. I'd say that even at this stage right now Groves would handle Smith no problems. As for De Gale, he is a bit over rated at this stage, while he has plenty of potential he gets hit way too easy for my liking. I'd say Groves would make DeGale eat leather all night long. Groves also has a huge reach, which makes him very hard to hit controlling the distance very well. He appears to me to be 3 years atleast ahead of DeGale in terms of progress.....Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
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Originally Posted by themacmagicianI'd absolutely agree with that. I'd say that even at this stage right now Groves would handle Smith no problems. As for De Gale, he is a bit over rated at this stage, while he has plenty of potential he gets hit way too easy for my liking. I'd say Groves would make DeGale eat leather all night long. Groves also has a huge reach, which makes him very hard to hit controlling the distance very well. He appears to me to be 3 years atleast ahead of DeGale in terms of progress.....Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
And thats a pretty scary thought when you consider he's only 22.
Man I know. I've been watching him pretty much from the start and I'm continuing to be impressed. He has a great ability to hit and not get hit and he seems to have plenty of power to go with it. Very bright future and certain to wipe the smile from DeGales face at some stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMattyQuote:
Originally Posted by themacmagicianI'd absolutely agree with that. I'd say that even at this stage right now Groves would handle Smith no problems. As for De Gale, he is a bit over rated at this stage, while he has plenty of potential he gets hit way too easy for my liking. I'd say Groves would make DeGale eat leather all night long. Groves also has a huge reach, which makes him very hard to hit controlling the distance very well. He appears to me to be 3 years atleast ahead of DeGale in terms of progress.....Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
And thats a pretty scary thought when you consider he's only 22.
No disrespect to David Haye but I kinda hope he'll outgrow the Hayemaker promotional outfit sometime soon. I think fighting on David Haye undercards will only get you so far. It's great for now though...
If Groves was with certain other bigger promoters he would have needed 25+ fights before being matched with an Adamu level fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Haye/Booth haven't done a bad job with Haye. He's a crossover star with only 25 fights in the bag. Impressive.
Yeah thats true...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterIf Groves was with certain other bigger promoters he would have needed 25+ fights before being matched with an Adamu level fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Haye/Booth haven't done a bad job with Haye. He's a crossover star with only 25 fights in the bag. Impressive.
Thats why Haye has been trash talking for all this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterIf Groves was with certain other bigger promoters he would have needed 25+ fights before being matched with an Adamu level fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Haye/Booth haven't done a bad job with Haye. He's a crossover star with only 25 fights in the bag. Impressive.
It's got him noticed, and got him a title shot very early on in his heavyweight career.
Haye will still do all the PR stuff, but I think the level of respect he shows opponents will be much greater in future.
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Originally Posted by FensterIf Groves was with certain other bigger promoters he would have needed 25+ fights before being matched with an Adamu level fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Haye/Booth haven't done a bad job with Haye. He's a crossover star with only 25 fights in the bag. Impressive.
yep
Theres only so many ways you can sell a fighters talent, eventually the big promoters out there are gonna wanna see wins on the record book. David Haye can be a world champion after only 24fights because of a combination of quality, charisma and the fact there just isnt any real depth in heavyweight boxing right now
George groves however will find his struggle tougher, there`ll always be a huge pool of talented middleweight fighters across the world
I think he may be able to step up in a year or 2, because hes a naturally well built lad.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterIf Groves was with certain other bigger promoters he would have needed 25+ fights before being matched with an Adamu level fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Haye/Booth haven't done a bad job with Haye. He's a crossover star with only 25 fights in the bag. Impressive.
yep
Theres only so many ways you can sell a fighters talent, eventually the big promoters out there are gonna wanna see wins on the record book. David Haye can be a world champion after only 24fights because of a combination of quality, charisma and the fact there just isnt any real depth in heavyweight boxing right now
George groves however will find his struggle tougher, there`ll always be a huge pool of talented middleweight fighters across the world
For sure his personality and the fact he's a heavyweight are huge factors in his current fame, but he's also been respected by hardcore Brit fans for years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMattyThats why Haye has been trash talking for all this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterIf Groves was with certain other bigger promoters he would have needed 25+ fights before being matched with an Adamu level fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Haye/Booth haven't done a bad job with Haye. He's a crossover star with only 25 fights in the bag. Impressive.
It's got him noticed, and got him a title shot very early on in his heavyweight career.
Haye will still do all the PR stuff, but I think the level of respect he shows opponents will be much greater in future.
Not only was he taking on guys like Thompson way earlier than expected, he also won his titles away from home and as the "away" fighter on other promoters bills in England. Something similar with Groves will get him huge credit/attention too.
The only thing Groves will struggle with as far as the bigger Brit promoters are concerned is being ducked.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
As long as booth mantains a steady relationship with sky id be surprised if he wasnt in with the likes of smith, dodson within the next 12months.
Of course de gale will dodge him like hell as he will any other half decent 160/168pounder
Smith is with FW too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
As long as booth mantains a steady relationship with sky id be surprised if he wasnt in with the likes of smith, dodson within the next 12months.
Of course de gale will dodge him like hell as he will any other half decent 160/168pounder
I'm not generally too keen on Adam Booth but one thing I do like is how I've heard him say that there is way too much put on the undefeated record and that there is no shame in losing if you take hard fights, that a loss is not the end. He said that was his message to young fighters. I think thats a pretty damn good message. Plus he seems as good as his word when it comes to George Groves.
Definitely like the look of Groves. I've been on the bandwagon for a few fights now. Smith wants nothing to do with him and you know how keen Warren will be to put him in with De Gale anytime soon. Maybe they get to fight two or three years down the line.
I've been watching Groves since the amateurs and I've seen him sparring down at Dale Youth, and one thing that always clearly separated him & DeGale was that George always had a ready-made pro-style, whilst Chunky always fought like an amateur, so it's been an easier transition for him. I think DeGale will be a lot better than most people give him credit for, he's possibly improved more than Groves since going pro, I just think George was better to begin with. Also Groves had amazing power in the ams, you could see it just by watching him, so I'm actually surprised he hasn't been taking people out quicker. The Adamu stoppage was absolutely fucking dreadful though.
Not sure you can call a stoppage "dreadful" in such a one-sided fight. The chances of Adamu turning it around were basically zero. Not even one of those predictable wild swings were gonna get "lucky."Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Probably a good stoppage.
Regardles of it being one-sided, he was still ready to throw more punches. Obviously refs should err on the side of caution, but the fact it always seems to favour the young prospect in Britain means it's very frustrating. If I think of ref stoppages that have pissed me off in the last year, probably 80-90% have happened here, usually favouring the guy I'm supporting, but it doesn't change that it's a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterNot sure you can call a stoppage "dreadful" in such a one-sided fight. The chances of Adamu turning it around were basically zero. Not even one of those predictable wild swings were gonna get "lucky."Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Probably a good stoppage.
For sure some stoppages are shamefully quick. I don't think it's purely a case of the ref being dodgy/poor though (favouring the home fighter).Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinRegardles of it being one-sided, he was still ready to throw more punches. Obviously refs should err on the side of caution, but the fact it always seems to favour the young prospect in Britain means it's very frustrating. If I think of ref stoppages that have pissed me off in the last year, probably 80-90% have happened here, usually favouring the guy I'm supporting, but it doesn't change that it's a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterNot sure you can call a stoppage "dreadful" in such a one-sided fight. The chances of Adamu turning it around were basically zero. Not even one of those predictable wild swings were gonna get "lucky."Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Probably a good stoppage.
Maybe the Brit refs today (who do seem to err on the side of caution), like I believe many fans, are consciously influenced by that 90s period of fighters suffering career/life ending brain injuires - Bradley Stone, Watson, McCllelan, Douglas, Oliver, Ingle.
Just two weeks ago I thought Gonzalez-Davis (Mexico) and Bonsu-Bailey (Belgium) weren't stopped fast enough.
I thought the stoppage was really early. He was getting done over for sure but he wasn't in any real trouble at the time. He was still throwing and wasn't especially wobbly or anything. Plus, he was the champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinRegardles of it being one-sided, he was still ready to throw more punches. Obviously refs should err on the side of caution, but the fact it always seems to favour the young prospect in Britain means it's very frustrating. If I think of ref stoppages that have pissed me off in the last year, probably 80-90% have happened here, usually favouring the guy I'm supporting, but it doesn't change that it's a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterNot sure you can call a stoppage "dreadful" in such a one-sided fight. The chances of Adamu turning it around were basically zero. Not even one of those predictable wild swings were gonna get "lucky."Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Probably a good stoppage.
Not often I disagree with Fenster, but he was the defending champ and not hurt bit harsh if you ask me.
Yeah he was stood right at the side of me having photos taken and signing autographs for fans. I asked the bird if she wanted one but she told me to leave him alone..... And that was me... told lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
Haha! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuYeah he was stood right at the side of me having photos taken and signing autographs for fans. I asked the bird if she wanted one but she told me to leave him alone..... And that was me... told lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
I have a mutual friend with a local fighter who recently lost to Frankie Gavin. The fighter in question was dicked around by Frank Warren from the start and up until 10 mins before the fight was led to believe he wasn't getting paid. Anyways...Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
From the outset Gavin was dominating and you could argue the fight was only going one way. Gavin eventually caught him off balance with a glancing shot and put him down. He got straight back up and took the standing 8 count, straight after which the ref says to him, "You've had enough mate, no point you carrying on" and then calls the fight off.
Admitedly he didn't protest all that much but this was just a payday for him so why risk carying on and getting hurt?
I'm not saying this is 100% true but it makes you wonder if the ref was 'influenced' by the promoter in some way, hence the early stoppage!
Frankie Gavin has had a few, although I reckon Tyson Fury is the king of dodgy stoppages. One of my friends was ringside at the Murray-McAllister fight, with Fury fighting that fat German bloke Zeller on the undercard. Apparently as soon as Fury threw a few punches, Mick Hennessy stood up and started shouting at the ref 'you're supposed to fucking stop it now, I told you to stop it', upon which the ref did. My mate has no reason to lie about this because he's not a big boxing fan, he didn't know who any of these people were, he was just given a ticket by a guy he works with who couldn't make it. Very suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConradI have a mutual friend with a local fighter who recently lost to Frankie Gavin. The fighter in question was dicked around by Frank Warren from the start and up until 10 mins before the fight was led to believe he wasn't getting paid. Anyways...Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
From the outset Gavin was dominating and you could argue the fight was only going one way. Gavin eventually caught him off balance with a glancing shot and put him down. He got straight back up and took the standing 8 count, straight after which the ref says to him, "You've had enough mate, no point you carrying on" and then calls the fight off.
Admitedly he didn't protest all that much but this was just a payday for him so why risk carying on and getting hurt?
I'm not saying this is 100% true but it makes you wonder if the ref was 'influenced' by the promoter in some way, hence the early stoppage!
Saw Groves win and he was really impressive and measured cannot believe he has only fought 9 times. Quality fighter.