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Andre Ward at heavyweight?
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Re: Andre Ward at heavyweight?
Not surprising if he does come back and try to fight at HW. If he does though, it’s just unfortunate because 175 is such a good weight class now. If he could have cleaned out the division, he would have been an ATG.
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Re: Andre Ward at heavyweight?
There is a difference between Roy Jones who did dominate light heavy and Ward going up to heavyweight.
Roy carefully selected his champion and I am sure Ward would have to do the same.
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It would be a real shame if Ward came back as a heavyweight and got sparked clean out. It would be really bad, and so many people would not celebrate or even smile to themselves if it happened.
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Re: Andre Ward at heavyweight?
He should try crusierweight.
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imp
He should try crusierweight.
Ward barely got past Kov and the cruiserweights would be a step too far never mind a real heavyweight.
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Master
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imp
He should try crusierweight.
Ward barely got past Kov and the cruiserweights would be a step too far never mind a real heavyweight.
Skills win fights.
Perhaps the money isn't at crusierweight.
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Master
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imp
He should try crusierweight.
Ward barely got past Kov and the cruiserweights would be a step too far never mind a real heavyweight.
Think Joshua n Wilder hit a bit harder than Kovalev? Lol
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Re: Andre Ward at heavyweight?
Perhaps the money is 2nd to winning a heavyweight title..I just don't see it.
I can't see Ward beating a Wilder or AJ.
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He's too late for Parker so I wonder if he wants the Bellew vs Haye winner.
Bellew would make a bit of money because of the Creed film..if anyone really cares.
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Beanz
It would be a real shame if Ward came back as a heavyweight and got sparked clean out. It would be really bad, and so many people would not celebrate or even smile to themselves if it happened.
I would have a bit of a chuckle. :p
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imp
He's too late for Parker so I wonder if he wants the Bellew vs Haye winner.
Bellew would make a bit of money because of the Creed film..if anyone really cares.
It is all about the money. Haye/Bellew v Ward would be another ppv novelty fight.
Just when I could not hate them any more than I do, they start doing this.
What next?
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I wouldn't have an issue with Ward against Bellew or Haye. Both have been smaller fighters and it would be a decent test for Ward. It's not like he can really go up and face the great James Toney or any of the other legends like that.
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Gandalf
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Beanz
It would be a real shame if Ward came back as a heavyweight and got sparked clean out. It would be really bad, and so many people would not celebrate or even smile to themselves if it happened.
I would have a bit of a chuckle. :p
It's his humility and the fact he took on all comers and never fought dirty. It would be a shame for a bloody "craftsman" like that to be felled by a crude slugger :-X:p;)
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Re: Andre Ward at heavyweight?
I joked awhile back that Charr would be the perfect target.
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Alpha
I joked awhile back that Charr would be the perfect target.
OMG Charr is considered a champion?
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Master
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Alpha
I joked awhile back that Charr would be the perfect target.
OMG Charr is considered a champion?
Just as much as Ruiz was I guess.
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Ok. Standby for me to get crucified, but I believe that if Ward ever got to the stage where he believed he could beat AJ, (and talking about it is a long way away from actually fighting him,) but if Virgil and him thought they could do it, I reckon Ward could at worst Give AJ his biggest test , and maybe, just maybe beat AJ! There, I said it!
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imp
He should try crusierweight.
100%. If he really wants a really hard challenge fight Usyk.
At 6 foot as a heavy and with his style surely he cant be competitive with the average heavies let alone the guys at the top.
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Primo Carnera
Ok. Standby for me to get crucified, but I believe that if Ward ever got to the stage where he believed he could beat AJ, (and talking about it is a long way away from actually fighting him,) but if Virgil and him thought they could do it, I reckon Ward could at worst Give AJ his biggest test , and maybe, just maybe beat AJ! There, I said it!
You idiot. There I said it on behalf of all saddo. Bloody idiot.
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Master
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Primo Carnera
Ok. Standby for me to get crucified, but I believe that if Ward ever got to the stage where he believed he could beat AJ, (and talking about it is a long way away from actually fighting him,) but if Virgil and him thought they could do it, I reckon Ward could at worst Give AJ his biggest test , and maybe, just maybe beat AJ! There, I said it!
You idiot. There I said it on behalf of all saddo. Bloody idiot.
Hey, at least I've got the bottle to say what I really think and not just toe the party line and copy and paste whatever drivel the BBC put on their website.
"Tyson Fury is great! No wait a minute, He's a cunt!" Master, the international Backstroke champion!;D;D
How stupid would you feel if It happened?;D
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imp
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Originally Posted by
Master
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imp
He should try crusierweight.
Ward barely got past Kov and the cruiserweights would be a step too far never mind a real heavyweight.
Skills win fights.
Perhaps the money isn't at crusierweight.
Agree, there are some really shit, or should I say slow lard assed heavyweights out in America making money, a good opponent pick could see him up the 'rankings'
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Re: Andre Ward at heavyweight?
Ward hasn't got the style to give significant height, weight, reach and general size to heavyweights.
Anyone that thinks he can compete with Joshua is having an absolute bubble. How is he possibly going to win? Pot shot from the outside? Grab/wrestle? Turn him up close? Funks sake, it's laughable, even if he got inside on Joshua he'd get tossed into the third row, they'd need to use reinforced corner posts and ropes.
Virgil Hunter wants it because he's shortly about to drop back into obscurity when Ward retires, might as well risk killing his man to make more dough in one night than they did their entire career put together.
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Virgil hunter still has a future hall of famer in Khan to keep him in the spotlight...
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Silly sitting on the sideline talk from Ward. Good luck mauling and single sneaking a prime heavy whos leg is thicker than your neck and head. Shame is Lt hvy division hasn't missed a beat without Ward but he picked up his ball and went home instead. Hey if he doesn't get AJ he always has American Ninja as a fall back.
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imp
Virgil hunter still has a future hall of famer in Khan to keep him in the spotlight...
You are idiot number 2. ;D
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Master
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imp
Virgil hunter still has a future hall of famer in Khan to keep him in the spotlight...
You are idiot number 2. ;D
The tongue was firmly in the cheek on my Khan comment..
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imp
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Master
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imp
Virgil hunter still has a future hall of famer in Khan to keep him in the spotlight...
You are idiot number 2. ;D
The tongue was firmly in the cheek on my Khan comment..
I know but you are still for your love of Floyd.
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Floyd is retired..get over him.!
50-0
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Re: Andre Ward at heavyweight?
Ward is an elite fighter who is smart. Let’s put it this way, if he fights at HW, he won’t fight who he doesn’t think he can beat. If he did fight Wilder or AJ, he then thinks he has a legitimate shot at beating them. And if he thinks he does, then I think he knows something that I don’t.
More likely though is fighting a lower tier HW and winning a trinket.
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Fenster
Ward hasn't got the style to give significant height, weight, reach and general size to heavyweights.
Anyone that thinks he can compete with Joshua is having an absolute bubble. How is he possibly going to win? Pot shot from the outside? Grab/wrestle? Turn him up close? Funks sake, it's laughable, even if he got inside on Joshua he'd get tossed into the third row, they'd need to use reinforced corner posts and ropes.
Virgil Hunter wants it because he's shortly about to drop back into obscurity when Ward retires, might as well risk killing his man to make more dough in one night than they did their entire career put together.
I hear what you're saying, and I know it sounds crazy, but like I said, they wouldn't just line up a fight and go for it. They would be working out a strategy and trying it out on numerous BIG guys in the gym, and maybe then they would see that it ain't possible and that would be that.
BUT............if they thought they had a chance, they would go for it. Andre Ward would not go into a ring with anyone and make himself look a cunt.
All I'm saying, is that he thinks he has a chance, and it ever happened, then I think he has a shot.
I'm fully aware I could look a mug.;D
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Ward and Virgil specifically named Joshua for one reason and one reason only. If it was about winning a title at heavyweight he could easily take a few fights against fringe guys whilst waiting for a winnable title shot to emerge.
It's all nonsense anyway, waffle, something to get headlines, something to give all those youtubers constantly shoving camera's in their faces.
Having said that, at 200lb Ward could definitely beat some decent heavyweights. Huck gave Povetkin a tougher fight than most big fellas have. Fat James Toney beat plenty of "slow-ass" heavyweights. I could pick the heavyweights he could beat let alone Virgil and his team.
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Re: Andre Ward at heavyweight?
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Fenster
Ward and Virgil specifically named Joshua for one reason and one reason only. If it was about winning a title at heavyweight he could easily take a few fights against fringe guys whilst waiting for a winnable title shot to emerge.
It's all nonsense anyway, waffle, something to get headlines, something to give all those youtubers constantly shoving camera's in their faces.
Having said that, at 200lb Ward could definitely beat some decent heavyweights. Huck gave Povetkin a tougher fight than most big fellas have. Fat James Toney beat plenty of "slow-ass" heavyweights. I could pick the heavyweights he could beat let alone Virgil and his team.
Like you said, Hunter mentioned Joshua specifically. Maybe it is all nonsense, but it definitely isn't about another trinket. He knows Joshua is the cash cow, and if he's gonna do it (which I have to admit is seriously doubtful.) he's gonna want to get paid proper money for it.
Ward has never been afraid to fight the best , but sometimes the financial side of things have got in the way.
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Re: Andre Ward at heavyweight?
I just can't see Ward lasting against AJ, Ortiz or Wilder for over 5 rounds. Strength, weight advantage, bone structure and density as well as speed.
Ward may just be talking. What I have come to understand in the heavier division it is about bone structure and bone density, which helps to absorb punishment and be stronger to dish out punishment. Ward is a good Super-Middle, and would have been a dominant Middle if he decided to fight there.
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Maybe Ward is putting it out there that he is available to fight and waiting for a silly offer.
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ykdadamaja
I just can't see Ward lasting against AJ, Ortiz or Wilder for over 5 rounds. Strength, weight advantage, bone structure and density as well as speed.
Ward may just be talking. What I have come to understand in the heavier division it is about bone structure and bone density, which helps to absorb punishment and be stronger to dish out punishment. Ward is a good Super-Middle, and would have been a dominant Middle if he decided to fight there.
Heavier people don't have higher bone density. In fact the higher your fat content the lower the bone density. And heavier people have higher body fat percentages.
You can adjust your bone density by training. Adaptive stress, same as with muscles. But a bigger person is generally going to have worse stamina allowing them to put less stress. Yes, a higher weight seems like more stress but it is met with bigger bones balancing that out.(larger, not more dense) The smaller guy will train harder, faster, longer, and with this have more adaptation.
So in short, big guys have less bone density.
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Ron Swanson
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ykdadamaja
I just can't see Ward lasting against AJ, Ortiz or Wilder for over 5 rounds. Strength, weight advantage, bone structure and density as well as speed.
Ward may just be talking. What I have come to understand in the heavier division it is about bone structure and bone density, which helps to absorb punishment and be stronger to dish out punishment. Ward is a good Super-Middle, and would have been a dominant Middle if he decided to fight there.
Heavier people don't have higher bone density. In fact the higher your fat content the lower the bone density. And heavier people have higher body fat percentages.
You can adjust your bone density by training. Adaptive stress, same as with muscles. But a bigger person is generally going to have worse stamina allowing them to put less stress. Yes, a higher weight seems like more stress but it is met with bigger bones balancing that out.(larger, not more dense) The smaller guy will train harder, faster, longer, and with this have more adaptation.
So in short, big guys have less bone density.
So does Dre stand a chance against AJ ?
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Ron Swanson
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ykdadamaja
I just can't see Ward lasting against AJ, Ortiz or Wilder for over 5 rounds. Strength, weight advantage, bone structure and density as well as speed.
Ward may just be talking. What I have come to understand in the heavier division it is about bone structure and bone density, which helps to absorb punishment and be stronger to dish out punishment. Ward is a good Super-Middle, and would have been a dominant Middle if he decided to fight there.
Heavier people don't have higher bone density. In fact the higher your fat content the lower the bone density. And heavier people have higher body fat percentages.
You can adjust your bone density by training. Adaptive stress, same as with muscles. But a bigger person is generally going to have worse stamina allowing them to put less stress. Yes, a higher weight seems like more stress but it is met with bigger bones balancing that out.(larger, not more dense) The smaller guy will train harder, faster, longer, and with this have more adaptation.
So in short, big guys have less bone density.
Bullshit, but not all Bullshit. FAT people are different from BIG people. Bone density is the strength and weight of your frame/skeleton, has nothing to do with muscles or how much fat around it you have.
For example the difference between Fallon Fox (transgender MMA fighter) and the women he/she faces. She may be the same weight, same height and even the same reach. HOWEVER, her bone strength and density is FAR GREATER than any woman he/she has faced. Which gives he a distinct advantage over the women he/she faces, regardless of what the scales say or how good her opposition's muscles look or how tall they are.
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Fat people be taxed harsher than everyone else..bit off topic, but it would work.
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Re: Andre Ward at heavyweight?
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
I just can't see Ward lasting against AJ, Ortiz or Wilder for over 5 rounds. Strength, weight advantage, bone structure and density as well as speed.
Ward may just be talking. What I have come to understand in the heavier division it is about bone structure and bone density, which helps to absorb punishment and be stronger to dish out punishment. Ward is a good Super-Middle, and would have been a dominant Middle if he decided to fight there.
Heavier people don't have higher bone density. In fact the higher your fat content the lower the bone density. And heavier people have higher body fat percentages.
You can adjust your bone density by training. Adaptive stress, same as with muscles. But a bigger person is generally going to have worse stamina allowing them to put less stress. Yes, a higher weight seems like more stress but it is met with bigger bones balancing that out.(larger, not more dense) The smaller guy will train harder, faster, longer, and with this have more adaptation.
So in short, big guys have less bone density.
Bullshit, but not all Bullshit. FAT people are different from BIG people. Bone density is the strength and weight of your frame/skeleton, has nothing to do with muscles or how much fat around it you have.
For example the difference between Fallon Fox (transgender MMA fighter) and the women he/she faces. She may be the same weight, same height and even the same reach. HOWEVER, her bone strength and density is FAR GREATER than any woman he/she has faced. Which gives he a distinct advantage over the women he/she faces, regardless of what the scales say or how good her opposition's muscles look or how tall they are.
Fat people are different than big people, true. But the larger people are the higher their body fat percentages are. And body fat is directly related to bone density. You are speaking of tensile strength not bone density. Bone density is quite literally the density of your bones. The strength and weight of your bones is quite literally not bone density.