Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
His successor, just beat his biggest name opponent ten times worse. I can't see Floyd doing anything but coming back to fight Pacquiao. Maybe he should have an easy tune up match against Margarito, but he needs to fight Pacquiao. I think it would be a fight between two guys about the same size, same speed, and most importantly determination and hard work, and while one is clearly one of the best defensive fighters ever, the other is one of the best offensive fighters ever. To boot, any small size advantage Mayweather has IMO is negated by the fact he has looked considering the level of opposition against southpaws then against anyone else. I would also love to see him actually box a southpaw, against Corley and Judah he wanted to outfight them because he suspected they didn't want to fight. With Pacquiao I would hope he would box more. Anyways these two have my two favorite fighting boxers for the past few years, and I want nothing more than to see Floyd show the world just how good he truly is, and I think Pacquiao is the guy to push him in a way nobody has.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
His successor, just beat his biggest name opponent ten times worse. I can't see Floyd doing anything but coming back to fight Pacquiao. Maybe he should have an easy tune up match against Margarito, but he needs to fight Pacquiao. I think it would be a fight between two guys about the same size, same speed, and most importantly determination and hard work, and while one is clearly one of the best defensive fighters ever, the other is one of the best offensive fighters ever. To boot, any small size advantage Mayweather has IMO is negated by the fact he has looked considering the level of opposition against southpaws then against anyone else. I would also love to see him actually box a southpaw, against Corley and Judah he wanted to outfight them because he suspected they didn't want to fight. With Pacquiao I would hope he would box more. Anyways these two have my two favorite fighting boxers for the past few years, and I want nothing more than to see Floyd show the world just how good he truly is, and I think Pacquiao is the guy to push him in a way nobody has.
Antonio Margarito ain't a tune up for anyone.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
He would be for Mayweather, honestly he loses every round if they fought. It would be like Pavlik-Hopkins, but Mayweather wouldn't be able to hurt him.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
I have a feeling floyd will stay retired. I think he was hoping for oscar to win and only a oscar rematch would get him back. Honestly I think floyd has a pussy attitude, why would he give pac the benefit of being in his resume and risking losing and adding to pacs already greater legacy. I think thats the kind of mind set floyd has. Floyds resume looks like shit next to pac right now. The best fighter on floyds resume just got demolish round after round and had to quit. the second best fighter in floyds resume may be next and pac is likely to ko hatton even sooner then floyd could. Plus the guy who could of gave floyd trouble in the lightsweight casamayor just got knock out by pacs great rival jmm. Casamayor the same guy that has two wins over the third good fighter in floyds resume, chico corrales. We all know floyd has skills but he hasn't displayed it against the best out there, thats a fact. I just mentioned his best three great wins. I think floyd has no choice but to stay retired. He wants no piece of margarito or cotto and he wont risk losing to pac.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
not to mention floyd has had trouble against southpaw. and pac is the best southpaw that doesn't gas out like judah and is even faster with more combo that overwhelms.I'd love for floyd to be the next fighter that looks old inside the ring with pac ;D
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
I have a feeling floyd will stay retired. I think he was hoping for oscar to win and only a oscar rematch would get him back. Honestly I think floyd has a pussy attitude, why would he give pac the benefit of being in his resume and risking losing and adding to pacs already greater legacy. I think thats the kind of mind set floyd has. Floyds resume looks like shit next to pac right now. The best fighter on floyds resume just got demolish round after round and had to quit. the second best fighter in floyds resume may be next and pac is likely to ko hatton even sooner then floyd could. Plus the guy who could of gave floyd trouble in the lightsweight casamayor just got knock out by pacs great rival jmm. Casamayor the same guy that has two wins over the third good fighter in floyds resume, chico corrales. We all know floyd has skills but he hasn't displayed it against the best out there, thats a fact. I just mentioned his best three great wins. I think floyd has no choice but to stay retired. He wants no piece of margarito or cotto and he wont risk losing to pac.
Floyd never faced Casamayor, and Casamayor wasn't being dominated at all by JMM, he was beaten later on, but this wasn't the same Casamayor that fought Corrales and Castillo way back in the day, I give them all a significant edge if they were to have foughten JMM prime for prime, in fact I see Castillo and Corrales probably KO'ing JMM. Mayweather risked more by fighting in the spot light against guys like Oscar and Hatton then fighting guys like MArgarito and Cotto, I think Cotto presents a challenge, but Floyd wasn't ducking Margarito, Margarito brought nothing of value to the table for Floyd, he was making more money fighting guys that people actually knew.
Its retarded to say Pacquiao is faster than Judah, if anything he's slower. I agree he's a different type of fighter, but he isn't a different type of athlete. Both Mayweather and Judah are a little faster than Pacquiao. Manny is very fast, but it was him being a southpaw that made him so effective against Oscar.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
He would be for Mayweather, honestly he loses every round if they fought. It would be like Pavlik-Hopkins, but Mayweather wouldn't be able to hurt him.
LOL, based on AM's chin, Floyd can join the club because few can.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
Maybe he should have an easy tune up match against Margarito,
its almost like you are taunting me to respond...:o
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
I think Margarito beats everyone else excluding Paul Williams, but its just a bad fight for him... Mayweather has a way of making guys like Margarito look bad.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
I think Margarito beats everyone else excluding Paul Williams, but its just a bad fight for him... Mayweather has a way of making guys like Margarito look bad.
I think that Cotto if he had stayed consistant with his boxing and stopped trying to improse his will on margarito which isn't happening in this lifetime he could have won a decision. He did a VERY good job boxing moving and slipping against him in the early going. What made Cotto try to start trading with Margarito only he knows. But thats his mentality to box a bit and break someone down and stop them late, he got the box a bit part right, but the break someone down and stop them didn't happen to Margarito, so it happened to him.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
His successor, just beat his biggest name opponent ten times worse. I can't see Floyd doing anything but coming back to fight Pacquiao. Maybe he should have an easy tune up match against Margarito, but he needs to fight Pacquiao. I think it would be a fight between two guys about the same size, same speed, and most importantly determination and hard work, and while one is clearly one of the best defensive fighters ever, the other is one of the best offensive fighters ever. To boot, any small size advantage Mayweather has IMO is negated by the fact he has looked considering the level of opposition against southpaws then against anyone else. I would also love to see him actually box a southpaw, against Corley and Judah he wanted to outfight them because he suspected they didn't want to fight. With Pacquiao I would hope he would box more. Anyways these two have my two favorite fighting boxers for the past few years, and I want nothing more than to see Floyd show the world just how good he truly is, and I think Pacquiao is the guy to push him in a way nobody has.
Why would PBF fight Margarito now when he didn't want to fight him a year ago? He may in fact beat Margarito, but Margarito is a risky fight for anyone to take, Floyd included.
There isn't as much of a size disparity between PBF and Pacman as there was between Pacman and ODLH, but PBD is still taller and bigger than Pacman. He has three inches in hight and three inches in reach. Pacman will have a size disadvantage against anyone at welterweight because naturally he is a smaller guy. However, like we saw on Saturday, that doesn't necessarily mean the other guy would win.
I don't think a match between Floyd and Pacman would be the match to show good PBF really is. First, everyone knows how good he really is - he was p4p the best for a reason. Second, he needs to fight and dominate a true elite, prime welterweight. Pacman is a true, elite prime boxer, but he isn't a natural weltweight.
PBF would be highly favored against Pacman. What would you set the odds at? 5-1 PBF? That doesn't mean it wouldn't be a great fight for boxing. The fight would be great because it would be a mega event. Two p4p's # 1's going at it? When was the last time that happened? Maybe it should happen.
Before it does, however, Pacman should fight Hatton. Should he beat Hatton like he beat ODLH, then the conversation becomes more appropriate.
For PBF to show his true greatness at welterweight - he's already shown it as a boxer - he should fight one of the great welterweights right now.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
If three other people were able to beat pac then floyd sure as hell would find a way too also. Pac is a bad little man but the thought of him beating floyd.......anyhow it's easy to remember the last thing you saw, and yea i'm sure they'd figure a way to hype the fight and convince enough people dump money into floyd's pockets, but manny would have very little of a chance of winning. I'd rather see floyd stay up in the bleachers of events stirring up news with his non-sense and pac fight some of the others mentioned.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
First to Majesty, when did Cotto try to impose his will on Magarito, when he was backing up the whole fight? If anything he biggest issue was that he was only trying to box, instead of trying to keep the fight in the middle of the ring.
Second to Rancatrat. Do you even know their heights? Mayweather is 5'8 and Pacquiao is 5'6 1/2 that is a inch and a half advantage in height, and Floyd's arms are one inch longer(total reach doesn't really mean anything because its the length of your arm that matters). Pacquiao is better htan the "true elite welterweights" and a much harder test for Mayweather, why should he fight Magarito, its a no win situation for him. Pacquiao is the only guy who could plausibly beat Floyd, thus he is the only person whom Mayweather fight, exluding Paul Williams of course. Mayweather isn't a true welterweight either, there is a reason he fought more than half his fights at 130, he isn't much bigger than Pacquiao, and physically they similar in speed, strength, agility. Its as even of a fight as there is out there for both sides. I just think Mayweather is a little better than Manny.
The reason Mayweather never fought Margarito a few years ago was because Margarito was a no-name Floyd made better money against Baldomir, De La Hoya, and Hatton during that period, and when Floyd came back down to WW, Margarito had already lost to Paul Williams.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
I have a feeling floyd will stay retired. I think he was hoping for oscar to win and only a oscar rematch would get him back. Honestly I think floyd has a pussy attitude, why would he give pac the benefit of being in his resume and risking losing and adding to pacs already greater legacy. I think thats the kind of mind set floyd has. Floyds resume looks like shit next to pac right now. The best fighter on floyds resume just got demolish round after round and had to quit. the second best fighter in floyds resume may be next and pac is likely to ko hatton even sooner then floyd could. Plus the guy who could of gave floyd trouble in the lightsweight casamayor just got knock out by pacs great rival jmm. Casamayor the same guy that has two wins over the third good fighter in floyds resume, chico corrales. We all know floyd has skills but he hasn't displayed it against the best out there, thats a fact. I just mentioned his best three great wins. I think floyd has no choice but to stay retired. He wants no piece of margarito or cotto and he wont risk losing to pac.
Floyd never faced Casamayor, and Casamayor wasn't being dominated at all by JMM, he was beaten later on, but this wasn't the same Casamayor that fought Corrales and Castillo way back in the day, I give them all a significant edge if they were to have foughten JMM prime for prime, in fact I see Castillo and Corrales probably KO'ing JMM.
Mayweather risked more by fighting in the spot light against guys like Oscar and Hatton then fighting guys like MArgarito and Cotto, I think Cotto presents a challenge, but Floyd wasn't ducking Margarito, Margarito brought nothing of value to the table for Floyd, he was making more money fighting guys that people actually knew.
Its retarded to say Pacquiao is faster than Judah, if anything he's slower. I agree he's a different type of fighter, but he isn't a different type of athlete. Both Mayweather and Judah are a little faster than Pacquiao. Manny is very fast, but it was him being a southpaw that made him so effective against Oscar.
I adamentally disagree with you on the above statement. Hatton is a not a riskier fight than Cotto or Margarito. Really? A fight with Hatton made more sense from a business standpoint. That is all. It was not riskier.
PBF didn't fight Margarito because the risk outweighed the reward. Why fight Margarito when you can fight Hatton? A smaller guy who happens to be the biggest ticket seller in all of boxing or a big welterweight who no one outside of hardcore fans know? There is a reason Floyd chose not to fight any of the top welterweights yet fight Ricky Hatton and ODLH? Risk/reward. Don't forget at the time the welterweight division was one of the deepest divisions in boxing: Cotto, Margarito, Williams, PBF, Mosley, Clottey etc etc.
Personally, to really see how great PBF is, which seemed to be the point of your original post, I'd like to see him fight Margarito or Paul Williams. The punisher is someone who matches up well with Floyd. I'll go out on a limb here and say Paul may even beat Floyd. With Margarito, Floyd may execute what Cotto tried and failed to execute against Margarito. Thus, I would probably favor Floyd, but I wouldn't be surprised if Margarito won by a late round KO. I also don't think the fight would be great. Floyd would run all night and Margarito may never catch him.
Please don't infer that I'm doubting PBF's greatness because I am most definitely not. And would never do that. Dude is a great. But, he never fought a true elite welterweight - unless ODLH qualifies.
Re: Mayweather, the perfect oppertunity has arisen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
First to Majesty, when did Cotto try to impose his will on Magarito, when he was backing up the whole fight? If anything he biggest issue was that he was only trying to box, instead of trying to keep the fight in the middle of the ring.
Second to Rancatrat. Do you even know their heights? Mayweather is 5'8 and Pacquiao is 5'6 1/2 that is a inch and a half advantage in height, and Floyd's arms are one inch longer(total reach doesn't really mean anything because its the length of your arm that matters). Pacquiao is better htan the "true elite welterweights" and a much harder test for Mayweather, why should he fight Magarito, its a no win situation for him. Pacquiao is the only guy who could plausibly beat Floyd, thus he is the only person whom Mayweather fight, exluding Paul Williams of course. Mayweather isn't a true welterweight either, there is a reason he fought more than half his fights at 130, he isn't much bigger than Pacquiao, and physically they similar in speed, strength, agility. Its as even of a fight as there is out there for both sides. I just think Mayweather is a little better than Manny.
The reason Mayweather never fought Margarito a few years ago was because Margarito was a no-name Floyd made better money against Baldomir, De La Hoya, and Hatton during that period, and when Floyd came back down to WW, Margarito had already lost to Paul Williams.
I didn't explain myself properly. I meant sizewise, Floyd is a bigger man than Pacquiao.
You didn't answer the question I posed. What odds would you give Pacquiao of beating Floyd?
Of course, Pacquio is a better boxer than the elite welterweights right now. I would never dispute that. There is a reason he is #1 p4p. . However, that doesn't mean that he would be a more difficult fight for PBF. Styles make fights. Do you think Pacquiao would beat Margarito right now? Roach doesn't think so. He conceded that after the win when asked about potential opponents.
One thing I would admit is that PBF v. Pacman would be a lot more fun to watch than PBF v. Margarito.
*Maybe I was wrong, I thought PBF was 5'8 1/2 and Pacquiao was 5'6. No matter.
