Need help getting my hip powered "jab" right

Ok im going to pretend im orthodox so not to add extra complexity.

When I throw a straight right hand it squares my hips up and I usually follow it with a left hook or a left uppercut.

But this time I want to follow my straight right with a straight left from the square on hip position.

What im unsure about is how far I should rotate my hips to fire this unorthodox straight shot off.

Do I rotate my hips till im back in my stance?

Till Im side on?

Not sure where to stop rotating because if you rotate too much it ruins the punch, too little and you dont get optimal power, its hard to know just the right place to stop and since no trainers teach this I cant find it on a you tube video. A left hook or left uppercut is more forgiving because it doesnt matter if you over rotate a bit.

How do you do it?

The straight left hand you throw after the right brings you back to where you started, so far as your feet are concerned.

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

The straight left hand you throw after the right brings you back to where you started, so far as your feet are concerned.

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Excellent thanks mate! So I should return to stance as far as shoulder and hip rotation is concerned (and feet), but never go further than my original stance, never go perfectly side on with my hips and shoulders!?

Also do I fire this straight left where I would fire my jab? Or does it shift over to the right a bit? (kind the opposite of how a straight right angles to the left a bit)?

Thanks grey! I save the difficult ones that no one else can answer just for you! :)

When you talk about 'where do I fire this punch', what do you mean?

Hi OMGWTF,
Watch this great, great classic fight (one of my absolute favs of all-time) with a discerning eye and see two masters of the jab apply this weapon in a variety of ways. It should visually provide answers for your questions. Enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nuWHtWToXw

Take Care,
Lito

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

When you talk about 'where do I fire this punch', what do you mean?

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Ok

When you fire a jab it goes dead ahead

When you fire a straight right it doesnt go straight ahead or straight forwards it goes at a slight diagonal angle fowards

I wanted to know if the hip powered jab goes in exactly the same path as a jab??, or if it travels a diagonal angle like the cross (a diagonal angle opposite to the cross)?

So a jab goes straight ahead, a cross goes diagonal, does a hip powered jab goes straight ahead or does it go diagonal?

Put an X on your heavy bag. The jab hits the X on an upward trajectory, the right on a downward path. Same spot though. If the second straight punch is down, the next is up. But to the same target.

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Put an X on your heavy bag. The jab hits the X on an upward trajectory, the right on a downward path. Same spot though. If the second straight punch is down, the next is up. But to the same target.

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Thanks grey i still dont understand, lets say the right cross hits the bag at a spot we will label and mark X, then when we come back with a hip powered left jab how many fists distance to the right will the left hit, will it be 0 as in the same exact spot or 1,2,3,4 fists distance over

Also why would the cross come down and the jab up is it cause u slip with the cross

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Originally Posted by StrictlySP

Hi OMGWTF,
Watch this great, great classic fight (one of my absolute favs of all-time) with a discerning eye and see two masters of the jab apply this weapon in a variety of ways. It should visually provide answers for your questions. Enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nuWHtWToXw

Take Care,
Lito

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thats reallly awesome thx bro, it looks like hearns uses this punch alot and like it travels a diagonal angle just like a cross, how come ive seen a hip powered jab that doesnt travel diagoally it goes straight like a normal jab and the person ends up completely side on due to the hips finishishing comepletely side on and the jab has max possible range

Hi Again OMGWTF,
Check out this classic fight and watch another master of the jab ply his wares. Holmes arguably had the best jab in heavyweight history. Anyway, enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS8JXVpJDIk

Take Care,
Lito

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Originally Posted by OMGWTF

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Put an X on your heavy bag. The jab hits the X on an upward trajectory, the right on a downward path. Same spot though. If the second straight punch is down, the next is up. But to the same target.

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Thanks grey i still dont understand, lets say the right cross hits the bag at a spot we will label and mark X, then when we come back with a hip powered left jab how many fists distance to the right will the left hit, will it be 0 as in the same exact spot or 1,2,3,4 fists distance over

Also why would the cross come down and the jab up is it cause u slip with the cross

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You throw the jab and the punch behind it to the same target, you hit the same spot. the trajectory of the jab is upward for two reasons. First, you don't want him coming over the top of your jab with a counter and that is what happens if you don't jab 'up'. Second, you want to pop his head up and back with the jab so your second punch will hit him on the chin.
When you follow through with your rear hand, it ends up lower than where it started. Where does that put the shoulder of the arm you jab with? So the third punch- the 'jab' powered by the hips turning you back to your starting point, is an upward punch. Keep in mind you are hitting a spot on the bag, but you are punching through it. Do you see?