Run-clinch-dance-grab: at some point should fighters be DQ'ed?

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

It's strange a guy like Hopkins is put on a pedestal, as a amazing fighter he is one of the worst fighters
for clinching and grabbing, truly horrible fighter to watch, but the refs love him they are to much
into licking his ass, than deducting him any points.

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I think BHop is cute about it and it is not excessive.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

It's strange a guy like Hopkins is put on a pedestal, as a amazing fighter he is one of the worst fighters
for clinching and grabbing, truly horrible fighter to watch, but the refs love him they are to much
into licking his ass, than deducting him any points.

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I think BHop is cute about it and it is not excessive.

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Gambling new tyres and maybe some glasses.;D

I think more than half of all holding is or becomes a mutual agreement as a fight goes. You can work out or capitalize, become a learned counter as you sure know where a guys hands are...and that the head is open. Start stepping on feet! Not big on yet another official put into place to count punches or holds. Refs just have to be the boss...take a page from the Jack Reiss book like Bike v Dirrell 2

"Come on man, what both of you guys are doing is shit" ;D

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Originally Posted by mikeeod

I think that the refs should let guys fight out of the clinch more. There is a skill to fighting inside, and some of that comes from maneuvering a guy into certain position through the clinch. The issue is that guys tie a fighter up and both just wait for the ref to break them. Watch John Ruiz, a notorious clincher, fight James Toney. James was the first guy I saw who didn't whine to the ref or just sit in the clinch with Ruiz and he would punish him inside. Watch old school fighters everyone says are ATGs like Robinson and Duran. They would clinch in close much like Ward and a Hopkins today. There is skill involved when done correctly.

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I agree with you, it seems like the referees are too eager to jump in during a clinch. I know there is no other option in some fights but I like to see them work out of a clinch if they can.
I can understand why everybody hates the clinching, when it's excessive it's ruins a fight.

Refs need to start taking points away for timidity, I agree 100%.

It would decrease the amount of stinking fights we see and would be better for boxing.

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Originally Posted by vidgil

Refs need to start taking points away for timidity, I agree 100%.

It would decrease the amount of stinking fights we see and would be better for boxing.

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That is right it would bring about better fights because excessive use of holding ruins fights. Wlad v Povetkin was one of the worst example.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by vidgil

Refs need to start taking points away for timidity, I agree 100%.

It would decrease the amount of stinking fights we see and would be better for boxing.

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That is right it would bring about better fights because excessive use of holding ruins fights. Wlad v Povetkin was one of the worst example.

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Yes it was.
The ref who allowed Wlad to grab onto Povetkin since the opening bell, is at the same level of ineptitude and/or corruption as CJ Ross when she saw Mayweather-Canelo end in a tie.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by vidgil

Refs need to start taking points away for timidity, I agree 100%.

It would decrease the amount of stinking fights we see and would be better for boxing.

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That is right it would bring about better fights because excessive use of holding ruins fights. Wlad v Povetkin was one of the worst example.

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Yes it was horrible. It's a sad state when clinches far surpass punches landed.

I understand fighters need to show defensive prowess as well, but there needs to be a certain level of offence expected as well.

We need to create and enforce rules that will protect the spirit of the sweet science. Guys who fight excessively timid and or/just to survive need to be penalized.

In the UFC if a guy is just laying on or hugging a guy without doing damage, they'll stand them up. If guys are fighting timid, they can be warned and have points taken away. I think boxing needs to look at doing that!

Marciano would fuck them up good--- @Master see what he did here when they tried to hold hahaha


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If a guy is hugging you excessively, you should be allowed to mauy thai elbow him in the face. ;D

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Originally Posted by vidgil

If a guy is hugging you excessively, you should be allowed to mauy thai elbow him in the face. ;D

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Or a free punch to the jaw. :)

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by vidgil

If a guy is hugging you excessively, you should be allowed to mauy thai elbow him in the face. ;D

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Or a free punch to the jaw. :)

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You mean like Ricardo Mayorga?

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by vidgil

If a guy is hugging you excessively, you should be allowed to mauy thai elbow him in the face. ;D

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Or a free punch to the jaw. :)

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You mean like Ricardo Mayorga?

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Remember what happened when Tito landed? :)

It's perfectly legal to punch someone too. I've never understood one fighter blaming another for totally shutting down their offence because they were hugging etc. I wouldn't apply mandatory strike counts or such. They do that crap in karate

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

I've never understood one fighter blaming another for totally shutting down their offence because they were hugging etc.

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Fighters normally don't blame the other..... fans do. But each time I watch Wlad-Povetkin (I really don't), the more I think the least Povetkin should've been allowed to do is knee Wlad in the groin. That would've solved that problem. If the ref's gonna be MIA, he should be MIA for both fighters.