He beat Porter and Garcia and holds two of the world championship Belts...he is injured and will make the big fights in 2019.
Surely that's fair?
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He beat Porter and Garcia and holds two of the world championship Belts...he is injured and will make the big fights in 2019.
Surely that's fair?
People on here I do feel are giving him a hard time and are sceptical about his injury and count his honesty about fighting Spence against him.
Time will tell if he is being treated harshly or not if and when he takes on the best again which include Crawford as well.
No
Right, first people incorrectly give him the benefit of the doubt saying "injury". He wasn't injured, he had elective surgery on bone spurs. It's a condition, not an injury.
And it has about a 4-6 week healing time. in fact the great majority of normal people feel fine after just a couple days. When I had bone spurs removed I took exactly 0 days off work. Yes, I am not a professional athlete but bone spurs is so f'n nothing I can't believe people are still talking about it.
For him to need a "get back year" ummm, what was last year?
He deserves far more negativity than he is getting
Fuck Porter, he's a contender, a challenger, he's not a champion. He doesn't get to call the shots. Thurman is supposed to be a Champion, and he hasn't defended in how long. He's not the only one, unfortunately nowadays it's the norm . If he's injured fine, he should get stripped, 2 guys fight for the title, and as soon as he's back, he gets to fight for the belt on at least a 50/50 split.
some people get injured, but that can't be allowed to hold the whole division at ransom.
All of the welters are running scared from Spence. The same will happen with Crawford. Thurman did beat Porter and Garcia but that he hasn’t done anything since those fights. Sure, maybe he will prove me wrong and fight and beat Spence, but for now, he is not the top guy in the division anymore.
Clearly it the bigger picture and fan anticipation he is being lapped by Spence right now, regardless of the excuses. He needs to pull Uncle Haymon aside and demand to run with the pack, not just watch from the safety of his backyard. Another win over Porter does zippo for him except satisfy the sanctioning bodies and Haymon.
Thurman is being unfair to Thurman.
To expand on this, the whole division deserves hell. Except Spence because he just goes down the list want to fight, no, okay, do you want to fight, no, okay. Even Crawford, we have no reason to doubt him up to this point but after he picks up his belt if he looks at Jessie Vargas or someone of the ilk he will deserve to be questioned too. Until anyone gets in the ring with Spence they deserve to be questioned. This division has been hell since MayPac took it over. Same problem all these years,,,,, just fight!
I don't think we are, the thing is he is not even considering Spence for the end of this year. He gets a tune up; fine I think everyone grants him that. A unification will almost always trump a mando so there's no reason for Porter/ Garcia to get in the way of a Spence fight. If Thurman does fight Porter after the tune up I'll be backing Porter to win, the 1st fight was razor thin and there's no guarantee Thurman wins a return. It'll serve Keith right watching a huge payday disappear.
Do we give Crawford a pass if he fights Pac after Horn?
Matthysse is also skulking with a 'belt' :-X
Crawford/Loma is not good business for Top rank.
After Loma takes another loss the aura will drop around him again.
Pac/Loma is perfect because if Loma schools Pac it will be like Pac/Oscar again and everyone will wet their pants for their new P4P star.
Either way, Bob wins.
Crawford fighting Horn is 100% fine since it gets him a belt and it’s his first fight at welter. I think it’s smart to fight Pacquiao because it makes him a known boxer even among casual fans. That will generate more interest in him. Now, if after that he doesn’t fight any top guy at welter (barring they are ducking him which isn’t a stretch), I won’t give him a pass either.
Pac/ Loma makes more sense for both guys but Pac is still highly rated in the WBO 147 ratings so the Crawford fight is there at a stretch. Who does Bob want to make the bigger star? Bud or Loma?
Loma has Berchelt, Linares, Mikey before getting to 140, Crawford needs to hope Bob can get him in with the other big names at Welter.
I don't think the fans are being too hard on him, I think the treatment is typical/normal. I do feel it is unrealistic/unfair to expect Keith to fight a monster like Spence in his first fight back. That being said, I think it is also partially Thurmans fault since he talks like Spence hasn't earned a shot, talks about fighting true threats (Porter and Spence) sometime in 2019, and generally calls out weak opposition. His treatment is no worse than what fighters like Adonis Stevenson, Canelo, Roy Jones jr, Floyd Mayweather, and Riddick Bowe experienced when they didn't fight who the fans felt they should.
The question I would ask the forum is: Do you think Keith Thurman will be able to reach the same level he was at prior to the surgery? I know it wasn't a horrible injury or surgery, but I wonder if that time off dulled his skill and desire.
I am sure Thurman will achieve at least the same level as he did when he beat Porter and Garcia. Is that enough to beat Spence? We will see but I think it would be enough to beat Crawford.
No way. The thing about Thurman is we aren't talking about some kind invincible (so far) phenom who proved to be miles ahead of the competition. Porter put him through the mill in a close fight. An aging Guerrero also did better than a lot of people thought he would coming up in weight. Everyone was waiting for Garcia to be exposed after his gift decision in Puerto Rico and the fight against Peterson. I'm not saying Thurman didn't accomplish anything. He did against some decent fighters. Talking strictly win/loss, as fighters tend to do now a days, and it all seems so clear. Remember how the fights were fought and surrounding circumstances and that's where the big picture gets a little murky.
Thurman gets flak because its not like he was untouchable and then got in a horrific motorcycle accident or anything. He was winning and had an injury waited.. healed up...waited.. got married and now he's waiting.. When he was winning he was looking for a pacman that was past his expiration date not a Spence (who, if I'm being honest, is still climbing and shouldn't be ushered past everyone in line.) or a Crawford or other threats. Even now that he's out you don't get the sense hes working hard, improving, refining his game, etc. He just shows up every 3 weeks or so to give a lispy commentary of the state of the division or what have you... just stopping short of talking about himself in the third person.
Its a sign of the times though. Companies like PBC cant pay their fighters to fight 3 times a year unless they're throwaway fights against nobodies for no money. So the fighters are content to sit around for 9 months to a year in between fights and pop in on broadcasts to keep themselves in the public eye so when they actually fight more people come to see them rather than the few who just haven't forgotten them. PBC and RocNation tried to make this the norm. Pay fighters obscene amounts of money for calculated risk fights (preferably someone with a name but diminished skill that can be dominated for effect)every once in a while and then try to make these things huge events. Meanwhile the fighters of course are all to happy to take more money for less work and then retire 26-0 or 27-1 or something like that. They're not fighting on the regular or chasing undisputed glory and fighting for legacies. Once the only balance for corrupt promoters, crooked sanctioning bodies, and crooked judges....Most determined fighters have sold out for the check and realize they get paid the same win or lose and that staying undefeated is only good for inflating your pay check through star power (Thanks Floyd). So challenges have lost their appeal due to their affect on the fighters/ promoters bottom line. Arum is still playing the game old school having his fighters fight 3 times a year etc so hes blowing through his stock faster than the others. Golden boy seems to have caught on and is a hybrid. Canelo, the golden goose fights once a year and you fill in the rest with lower tier attractions fighting more often.
Canelo fighting twice a year is a joke.
Fans are generally harsh on fighters. What fighter has genuinely wanted to fight the best their whole career. Certainly none of the elites and the non-elites only want to so they can make as much money as possible.
If Im Thurman Im thinking if I stay undefeated and Spence or Crawford also do for another couple of years theres a chance the 3 have fights in seriously big money fights. Right now they probably only make a fraction of that.
Do I like it? No! But its the same in most business', if you have a product that you think is worth a certain amount and you are being offered a fraction for it you probably wouldnt accept the offer, even if the offer is a large amount.
Multiple people. But a simple way to find people doing similar things is to look in similar situations. In 1996(13 years earlier than 2009 mind you) Oscar fought twice, also in 1998, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2008 Yes this is not every year, a couple times in between Oscar fought more than 2 times 1997,1999 the other times less 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007. So clearly if Floyd was fighting 2 teams a year since 2009 he was following Oscars lead.
But, Floyd wasn't fighting 2 times a year since 2009. In his career he fought twice in 1996, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2013, 2014, 2015. He did it more before 2009 than after.
Or you could consider since the timeframes are similar perhaps there is a different common factor when Oscar and Floyd were fighting times a year, and there is, Too Rank. Let's look at Manny Pacquiao to consider this, twice in 1998, 2002, 2004(that 1998-2004 timeframe again hmmm) 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016. It seems like if anyone has fought 2 times a year since 2009 it would be Manny, not Floyd.
But maybe it isn't TR, maybe it is boxing at the time, let's look at Shane Mosley. Twice in 1995, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2013, 2015. Consistent 2 times a year fighter right there.
But rather than get to the truth it's probably easier to just incorrectly say Floyd fought twice a year since 2009.
I like GGG, but if somebody fucks up, you have to say it how it is. If he doesn't beg, how come he isn't fighting 4 times a year like HE Says he likes to?
He's fighting WHEN GBP and Canelo want and WHERE they want. He didn't try to arrange a fight while he was waiting for them, because they said they wouldn't like it.
He turned himself into the "B" side!
GGG could do with a rest and recuperate. Get ready for Canelo and smash him and GBP to bits.
In May it will be 8 months since GGG last fight and he will be 36 years old.
He could have easily have had a fight between then but he's a pawn in all of this...and he's the champ in the division?!
Dumb.
He could learn a lot from mayweather.
Let's not waste time comparing GGG to Mayweather..
Let's see what happens in May.
GGG drew with Canelo and an old, small Floyd gave a prime, young Canelo an easy boxing lesson.
It seems like there is a lot of threads where people are just messing with Master, can I ask why?