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Most gained, most lost, in one fight.
With some big fights coming up soon, especially the UNDEFEATED fights(Cal v Kess and PBF v Hatton), and with potentially so much to gain for the winner and so much to lose for the fighter defeated it got me to thinking.
In which fight in histoy has one fighter gained the most while his defeated opponent has lost the most?
MAB v NAZ immediately came to mind for me. MAB was an established fighter but the win over NAZ really put him into the spotlight, especially as the fight followed his losses to Junior Jones and Erik Morales. His stature and popularity really went up from that point onwards.
On the flip side NAZ disappeared into obscurity....
What other single fights have had this much effect on two fighters careers?
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Douglas vs Tyson
JCC vs Meldrick Taylor 1
Lewis vs Ruddock
Jones vs Tarver 2
Curry vs Honeyghan
I'll think of some more later.
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Douglas vs Tyson
JCC vs Meldrick Taylor 1
Lewis vs Ruddock
Jones vs Tarver 2
Curry vs Honeyghan
I'll think of some more later.
Good choices.
I especially like Curry v Honeyghan.
Of late Pavlik v Miranda. That really changed the Middleweight division.
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Douglas vs Tyson
JCC vs Meldrick Taylor 1
Lewis vs Ruddock
Jones vs Tarver 2
Curry vs Honeyghan
I'll think of some more later.
When I 1st read the topic title I thought of Douglas & Tyson.
Maybe Rahman over Lewis!
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Douglas vs Tyson
JCC vs Meldrick Taylor 1
Lewis vs Ruddock
Jones vs Tarver 2
Curry vs Honeyghan
I'll think of some more later.
When I 1st read the topic title I thought of Douglas & Tyson.
Maybe Rahman over Lewis!
I dunno about Rahman Lewis. Everyone knew it was a fluke and Lewis proved it in the rematch.
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Douglas vs Tyson
JCC vs Meldrick Taylor 1
Lewis vs Ruddock
Jones vs Tarver 2
Curry vs Honeyghan
I'll think of some more later.
Good choices.
I especially like Curry v Honeyghan.
Of late Pavlik v Miranda. That really changed the Middleweight division.
Thanks heres few more.
Foreman vs Moorer
Tyson vs Spinks
Nelson vs Fenech 2
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Sanders over Wlad
Peter over Toney twice
Barkley over Hearns
Johnson over RJJ
Green over Codrington
Rosario over Bramble
Foreman over Fraizer
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Sanders over Wlad
Peter over Toney twice
Barkley over Hearns
Johnson over RJJ
Green over Codrington
Rosario over Bramble
Foreman over Fraizer
Thanls they are all good choices.
Cant believe i left out Kostya over Zab!!! Zab went from being the next big thing in boxing to the next big thing in break dancing with one killer right hand from KT, and it exposed Kostya to the big US audiences.
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Yeah Kostya/Zab would be my pick; possibly also Spinks/Tyson also ??? I mean, that was an embarassment. Golata/Bowe I and II. What an idiot Goloata was ::**
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
How can it gain him respect? Everyone NOW says he was a shot fighter going in there. Somehow the guy who blew Sharmba into the weeds (yet again) was now a 'done' fighter because rick beat him?
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
How can it gain him respect? Everyone NOW says he was a shot fighter going in there. Somehow the guy who blew Sharmba into the weeds (yet again) was now a 'done' fighter because rick beat him?
I think the fact he got to Sharmba early hid the fact that he was on the decline. Dont get me wrong he was still a threat when he fought Ricky but i dont think he was the same KT as 99 or so.
Look at the fighters before Mitchell.
I mean Tackie was an easy win cos he is no world beater.
Kostya struggled against Leija really, watch the fight it says KO 6 but he did not dominate it.
Anyway Ricky got a lot more respect from beating KT than he would have from losing. Lose that fight and many would have said it proved he was overrated especially considering it was his home town with his ref.
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
How can it gain him respect? Everyone NOW says he was a shot fighter going in there. Somehow the guy who blew Sharmba into the weeds (yet again) was now a 'done' fighter because rick beat him?
I think the fact he got to Sharmba early hid the fact that he was on the decline. Dont get me wrong he was still a threat when he fought Ricky but i dont think he was the same KT as 99 or so.
Look at the fighters before Mitchell.
I mean Tackie was an easy win cos he is no world beater.
Kostya struggled against Leija really, watch the fight it says KO 6 but he did not dominate it.
Anyway Ricky got a lot more respect from beating KT than he would have from losing. Lose that fight and many would have said it proved he was overrated especially considering it was his home town with his ref.
How would he gain more from losing? Of course he got more respect for winning ::**. I'm only saying people were writing off Kostya for losing to Rick. If you think Kostya looked anyting but on the ball in the 2nd Sharmba fight.......your opinions differ from mine ;)
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
I'll go with that, my respect for Hatton went through the roof with that win, irrespective of Tszyu's age and inactivity it was a career defining win for Hatton that now sees him in one of the biggest fights of the year! Tszyu didn't lose that much in that fight as i think he may have only fought one more time anyway.
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
How can it gain him respect? Everyone NOW says he was a shot fighter going in there. Somehow the guy who blew Sharmba into the weeds (yet again) was now a 'done' fighter because rick beat him?
I think the fact he got to Sharmba early hid the fact that he was on the decline. Dont get me wrong he was still a threat when he fought Ricky but i dont think he was the same KT as 99 or so.
Look at the fighters before Mitchell.
I mean Tackie was an easy win cos he is no world beater.
Kostya struggled against Leija really, watch the fight it says KO 6 but he did not dominate it.
Anyway Ricky got a lot more respect from beating KT than he would have from losing. Lose that fight and many would have said it proved he was overrated especially considering it was his home town with his ref.
How would he gain more from losing? Of course he got more respect for winning ::**. I'm only saying people were writing off Kostya for losing to Rick. If you think Kostya looked anyting but on the ball in the 2nd Sharmba fight.......your opinions differ from mine ;)
Na you are right he looked good against Mitchell, but Ricky type fighters always gave him more trouble than Mitchell style fighters. Still think Hatton gained a lot from beating KT haha.
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
How can it gain him respect? Everyone NOW says he was a shot fighter going in there. Somehow the guy who blew Sharmba into the weeds (yet again) was now a 'done' fighter because rick beat him?
I think the fact he got to Sharmba early hid the fact that he was on the decline. Dont get me wrong he was still a threat when he fought Ricky but i dont think he was the same KT as 99 or so.
Look at the fighters before Mitchell.
I mean Tackie was an easy win cos he is no world beater.
Kostya struggled against Leija really, watch the fight it says KO 6 but he did not dominate it.
Anyway Ricky got a lot more respect from beating KT than he would have from losing. Lose that fight and many would have said it proved he was overrated especially considering it was his home town with his ref.
How would he gain more from losing? Of course he got more respect for winning ::**. I'm only saying people were writing off Kostya for losing to Rick. If you think Kostya looked anyting but on the ball in the 2nd Sharmba fight.......your opinions differ from mine ;)
Na you are right he looked good against Mitchell, but Ricky type fighters always gave him more trouble than Mitchell style fighters. Still think Hatton gained a lot from beating KT haha.
It was the fight of his life, I think he made his mark with sheer determination that night. He took some big shots in there..........I sometimes watch that fight and wonder how the fuck he shrugged them off. It really dont matter where Tszyu lands, they must hurt like buggery ;D
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
How can it gain him respect? Everyone NOW says he was a shot fighter going in there. Somehow the guy who blew Sharmba into the weeds (yet again) was now a 'done' fighter because rick beat him?
I think the fact he got to Sharmba early hid the fact that he was on the decline. Dont get me wrong he was still a threat when he fought Ricky but i dont think he was the same KT as 99 or so.
Look at the fighters before Mitchell.
I mean Tackie was an easy win cos he is no world beater.
Kostya struggled against Leija really, watch the fight it says KO 6 but he did not dominate it.
Anyway Ricky got a lot more respect from beating KT than he would have from losing. Lose that fight and many would have said it proved he was overrated especially considering it was his home town with his ref.
How would he gain more from losing? Of course he got more respect for winning ::**. I'm only saying people were writing off Kostya for losing to Rick. If you think Kostya looked anyting but on the ball in the 2nd Sharmba fight.......your opinions differ from mine ;)
Na you are right he looked good against Mitchell, but Ricky type fighters always gave him more trouble than Mitchell style fighters. Still think Hatton gained a lot from beating KT haha.
It was the fight of his life, I think he made his mark with sheer determination that night. He took some big shots in there..........I sometimes watch that fight and wonder how the F*** he shrugged them off. It really dont matter where Tszyu lands, they must hurt like buggery ;D
I bet none of his punche shurt as much as Ricky's low blow...... :o
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
How can it gain him respect? Everyone NOW says he was a shot fighter going in there. Somehow the guy who blew Sharmba into the weeds (yet again) was now a 'done' fighter because rick beat him?
I think the fact he got to Sharmba early hid the fact that he was on the decline. Dont get me wrong he was still a threat when he fought Ricky but i dont think he was the same KT as 99 or so.
Look at the fighters before Mitchell.
I mean Tackie was an easy win cos he is no world beater.
Kostya struggled against Leija really, watch the fight it says KO 6 but he did not dominate it.
Anyway Ricky got a lot more respect from beating KT than he would have from losing. Lose that fight and many would have said it proved he was overrated especially considering it was his home town with his ref.
How would he gain more from losing? Of course he got more respect for winning ::**. I'm only saying people were writing off Kostya for losing to Rick. If you think Kostya looked anyting but on the ball in the 2nd Sharmba fight.......your opinions differ from mine ;)
Na you are right he looked good against Mitchell, but Ricky type fighters always gave him more trouble than Mitchell style fighters. Still think Hatton gained a lot from beating KT haha.
It was the fight of his life, I think he made his mark with sheer determination that night. He took some big shots in there..........I sometimes watch that fight and wonder how the F*** he shrugged them off. It really dont matter where Tszyu lands, they must hurt like buggery ;D
I bet none of his punche shurt as much as Ricky's low blow...... :o
I give him the shot..............fuck it, he took two himself.
The ref made him fight too soon though he should have had the full 5 minutes but he was asking after 40 odd seconds "are you ok?" and Kostya said "yes" Warrior!
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
How can it gain him respect? Everyone NOW says he was a shot fighter going in there. Somehow the guy who blew Sharmba into the weeds (yet again) was now a 'done' fighter because rick beat him?
I think the fact he got to Sharmba early hid the fact that he was on the decline. Dont get me wrong he was still a threat when he fought Ricky but i dont think he was the same KT as 99 or so.
Look at the fighters before Mitchell.
I mean Tackie was an easy win cos he is no world beater.
Kostya struggled against Leija really, watch the fight it says KO 6 but he did not dominate it.
Anyway Ricky got a lot more respect from beating KT than he would have from losing. Lose that fight and many would have said it proved he was overrated especially considering it was his home town with his ref.
How would he gain more from losing? Of course he got more respect for winning ::**. I'm only saying people were writing off Kostya for losing to Rick. If you think Kostya looked anyting but on the ball in the 2nd Sharmba fight.......your opinions differ from mine ;)
Na you are right he looked good against Mitchell, but Ricky type fighters always gave him more trouble than Mitchell style fighters. Still think Hatton gained a lot from beating KT haha.
It was the fight of his life, I think he made his mark with sheer determination that night. He took some big shots in there..........I sometimes watch that fight and wonder how the F*** he shrugged them off. It really dont matter where Tszyu lands, they must hurt like buggery ;D
I bet none of his punche shurt as much as Ricky's low blow...... :o
I give him the shot..............F*** it, he took two himself.
The ref made him fight too soon though he should have had the full 5 minutes but he was asking after 40 odd seconds "are you ok?" and Kostya said "yes" Warrior!
Yeah Kostyas corner should have been on to that, KT could have done with a breather even if it was with his balls black and blue....
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
How can it gain him respect? Everyone NOW says he was a shot fighter going in there. Somehow the guy who blew Sharmba into the weeds (yet again) was now a 'done' fighter because rick beat him?
I think the fact he got to Sharmba early hid the fact that he was on the decline. Dont get me wrong he was still a threat when he fought Ricky but i dont think he was the same KT as 99 or so.
Look at the fighters before Mitchell.
I mean Tackie was an easy win cos he is no world beater.
Kostya struggled against Leija really, watch the fight it says KO 6 but he did not dominate it.
Anyway Ricky got a lot more respect from beating KT than he would have from losing. Lose that fight and many would have said it proved he was overrated especially considering it was his home town with his ref.
How would he gain more from losing? Of course he got more respect for winning ::**. I'm only saying people were writing off Kostya for losing to Rick. If you think Kostya looked anyting but on the ball in the 2nd Sharmba fight.......your opinions differ from mine ;)
Na you are right he looked good against Mitchell, but Ricky type fighters always gave him more trouble than Mitchell style fighters. Still think Hatton gained a lot from beating KT haha.
It was the fight of his life, I think he made his mark with sheer determination that night. He took some big shots in there..........I sometimes watch that fight and wonder how the F*** he shrugged them off. It really dont matter where Tszyu lands, they must hurt like buggery ;D
I bet none of his punche shurt as much as Ricky's low blow...... :o
I give him the shot..............F*** it, he took two himself.
The ref made him fight too soon though he should have had the full 5 minutes but he was asking after 40 odd seconds "are you ok?" and Kostya said "yes" Warrior!
Yeah Kostyas corner should have been on to that, KT could have done with a breather even if it was with his balls black and blue....
All in all, he beat him. Kostya had never fought at that pace before and maybe at 35 it was all too much for him. But Rick walked through what he had and won. The way he spoke about Kostya after the fight was very respectful. It was his time i suppose.
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
How can it gain him respect? Everyone NOW says he was a shot fighter going in there. Somehow the guy who blew Sharmba into the weeds (yet again) was now a 'done' fighter because rick beat him?
I think the fact he got to Sharmba early hid the fact that he was on the decline. Dont get me wrong he was still a threat when he fought Ricky but i dont think he was the same KT as 99 or so.
Look at the fighters before Mitchell.
I mean Tackie was an easy win cos he is no world beater.
Kostya struggled against Leija really, watch the fight it says KO 6 but he did not dominate it.
Anyway Ricky got a lot more respect from beating KT than he would have from losing. Lose that fight and many would have said it proved he was overrated especially considering it was his home town with his ref.
How would he gain more from losing? Of course he got more respect for winning ::**. I'm only saying people were writing off Kostya for losing to Rick. If you think Kostya looked anyting but on the ball in the 2nd Sharmba fight.......your opinions differ from mine ;)
Na you are right he looked good against Mitchell, but Ricky type fighters always gave him more trouble than Mitchell style fighters. Still think Hatton gained a lot from beating KT haha.
It was the fight of his life, I think he made his mark with sheer determination that night. He took some big shots in there..........I sometimes watch that fight and wonder how the F*** he shrugged them off. It really dont matter where Tszyu lands, they must hurt like buggery ;D
I bet none of his punche shurt as much as Ricky's low blow...... :o
I give him the shot..............F*** it, he took two himself.
The ref made him fight too soon though he should have had the full 5 minutes but he was asking after 40 odd seconds "are you ok?" and Kostya said "yes" Warrior!
Yeah Kostyas corner should have been on to that, KT could have done with a breather even if it was with his balls black and blue....
All in all, he beat him. Kostya had never fought at that pace before and maybe at 35 it was all too much for him. But Rick walked through what he had and won. The way he spoke about Kostya after the fight was very respectful. It was his time i suppose.
So he should have been respectful. Kostya must be the only champ in history to fight an unproven challenger in his hometown, with his ref at his preferred time. I know KT got good money but i bet Ricky did ok out of it too. Can u imagine Ricky fighting an aussie young gun in Sydney when he is 35? Never in a thousand years.
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Hatton vs Tszyu ??
Who lost and who gained?
Well Hatton got tons of respect and finally made a name for himself everywhere and Tszyu retired ??
Yeah but everyone says Tszyu was shot....on this board anyway.
I dont think KT was shot, maybe past his best but still good. I think maybe by fighting in Rickys home town with a british ref he bit off more than he could chew to make some good money. It def gained Hatton a lot of respect as well.
How can it gain him respect? Everyone NOW says he was a shot fighter going in there. Somehow the guy who blew Sharmba into the weeds (yet again) was now a 'done' fighter because rick beat him?
I think the fact he got to Sharmba early hid the fact that he was on the decline. Dont get me wrong he was still a threat when he fought Ricky but i dont think he was the same KT as 99 or so.
Look at the fighters before Mitchell.
I mean Tackie was an easy win cos he is no world beater.
Kostya struggled against Leija really, watch the fight it says KO 6 but he did not dominate it.
Anyway Ricky got a lot more respect from beating KT than he would have from losing. Lose that fight and many would have said it proved he was overrated especially considering it was his home town with his ref.
How would he gain more from losing? Of course he got more respect for winning ::**. I'm only saying people were writing off Kostya for losing to Rick. If you think Kostya looked anyting but on the ball in the 2nd Sharmba fight.......your opinions differ from mine ;)
Na you are right he looked good against Mitchell, but Ricky type fighters always gave him more trouble than Mitchell style fighters. Still think Hatton gained a lot from beating KT haha.
It was the fight of his life, I think he made his mark with sheer determination that night. He took some big shots in there..........I sometimes watch that fight and wonder how the F*** he shrugged them off. It really dont matter where Tszyu lands, they must hurt like buggery ;D
I bet none of his punche shurt as much as Ricky's low blow...... :o
I give him the shot..............F*** it, he took two himself.
The ref made him fight too soon though he should have had the full 5 minutes but he was asking after 40 odd seconds "are you ok?" and Kostya said "yes" Warrior!
Yeah Kostyas corner should have been on to that, KT could have done with a breather even if it was with his balls black and blue....
All in all, he beat him. Kostya had never fought at that pace before and maybe at 35 it was all too much for him. But Rick walked through what he had and won. The way he spoke about Kostya after the fight was very respectful. It was his time i suppose.
So he should have been respectful. Kostya must be the only champ in history to fight an unproven challenger in his hometown, with his ref at his preferred time. I know KT got good money but i bet Ricky did ok out of it too. Can u imagine Ricky fighting an aussie young gun in Sydney when he is 35? Never in a thousand years.
Rick did take a huge paycut to get Kostya there, he was under Frank Warren at the time as you will probably know. I can't see Rick going to OZ to be honest as the competition is slim, but he did beat Tackie almost as well as Kostya did (but not quite as masterful as Tszyu)
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Re: Most gained, most lost, in one fight.
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Douglas vs Tyson
JCC vs Meldrick Taylor 1
Lewis vs Ruddock
Jones vs Tarver 2
Curry vs Honeyghan
I'll think of some more later.
When I 1st read the topic title I thought of Douglas & Tyson.
Maybe Rahman over Lewis!
I dunno about Rahman Lewis. Everyone knew it was a fluke and Lewis proved it in the rematch.
I agree that it was a fluke & Lewis was dominate in the return, but the topic says most gained & lost! Rahman gained the world heavyweight championship, defeated a dominate champ & future hall of famer & is arguably still using the fame he gained there today to position himself for big fights. As for Lewis his legacy will always be plagued by those who question his greatness because of his loss to a glorified journeyman like Rahman. Thats some pretty big gains & loses IMO
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Re: Most gained, most lost, in one fight.
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Douglas vs Tyson
JCC vs Meldrick Taylor 1
Lewis vs Ruddock
Jones vs Tarver 2
Curry vs Honeyghan
I'll think of some more later.
Must admit I disagree with most of these choices. Douglas gained nothing from the Tyson win, he surrended his titles in his first defense, balloned up to over 20 stone and disappeared back into obscurity. Tyson on the otherhand remained the most talked about, controverisal and feared boxer for the next decade.
Tarver gained very little respect from the Jones wins most people still can't stand him and few rate him as a great so he didn't gain a whole lot, although Jones clearly lost his invincible aura after that fight.
Definitely Barrera Hamed is the best example, others I can think of are Liston Ali both fights, Ali became a legend overnight, Liston faded into obscurity. Another would be Duran against DavyMoore, Duran rebuilt his career that had looked as good as over, champion Moore never won a big fight again and died not long after.
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Douglas gained $30 million for his fight with Holyfield.
I do not think that if Hatton looses to Mayweather it will do his career much damage as he will say he moved up in weight and fought the best p4p fighter today. I think Margarito loosing to Williams is bigger because he was supposed to be the big challenge for Mayweather and now he is well down the pecking order and so will the looser of Cotto/Mosley in their quest to fight Mayweather and be the best p4p fighter today.
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Cooper Clay 1
Cooper gains on 2 fronts. He loses and avoids Liston and he knock Clay down and is famous for life
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Jones-Tarver II.
When someone as skillful and great as Jones was gets knocked out, you would hope it wouldn't be by a complete nob head.
Unfortunately, this is what happened, but thankfully, Tarver's been exposed since.
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Sprott V Audley. Audley was fresh off the back of mashing up Danny Williams and set to be going somehwere at long last. That somewhere unded up being face first on the cavass ;D Well done Michael Sprott who went from a nobody to a somebody with one hit. Unfortunately he is back to being a nobody after refusing to chance his arm again against Matt Skelton.
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Sprott V Audley. Audley was fresh off the back of mashing up Danny Williams and set to be going somehwere at long last. That somewhere unded up being face first on the cavass ;D Well done Michael Sprott who went from a nobody to a somebody with one hit. Unfortunately he is back to being a nobody after refusing to chance his arm again against Matt Skelton.
Luckiest punch i have ever seen that was
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Re: Most gained, most lost, in one fight.
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Douglas vs Tyson
JCC vs Meldrick Taylor 1
Lewis vs Ruddock
Jones vs Tarver 2
Curry vs Honeyghan
I'll think of some more later.
Must admit I disagree with most of these choices. Douglas gained nothing from the Tyson win, he surrended his titles in his first defense, balloned up to over 20 stone and disappeared back into obscurity. Tyson on the otherhand remained the most talked about, controverisal and feared boxer for the next decade.
Tarver gained very little respect from the Jones wins most people still can't stand him and few rate him as a great so he didn't gain a whole lot, although Jones clearly lost his invincible aura after that fight.
Definitely Barrera Hamed is the best example, others I can think of are Liston Ali both fights, Ali became a legend overnight, Liston faded into obscurity. Another would be Duran against DavyMoore, Duran rebuilt his career that had looked as good as over, champion Moore never won a big fight again and died not long after.
Bilbo i think you misunderstood the topic was who gained most and lost the most in one single fight not what they done after but from one single fight Douglas was first man to beat so called baddest man on the planet and Tyson was never the same and lost his aura of invincibility.
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I think this is a great topic.
One that comes to mind is Ali - Foreman
At this point Ali had lossed twice and was the underdog probably for the first time in his life since Liston. Foreman was an unstopable force who had tottally destroyed and demolished both men who beat Ali. After the fight, Ali's career got a HUGE seccond wind. Had Ali Lossed that fight I don't think he would be what he is today. It is quite possible that he would not have finished the triology with Frazier or gotten the re-match with Norton. Foreman in the other hand never recovered and had to wait an incredible 20 years before winning a title.
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I think this is a great topic.
One that comes to mind is Ali - Foreman
At this point Ali had lossed twice and was the underdog probably for the first time in his life since Liston. Foreman was an unstopable force who had tottally destroyed and demolished both men who beat Ali. After the fight, Ali's career got a HUGE seccond wind. Had Ali Lossed that fight I don't think he would be what he is today. It is quite possible that he would not have finished the triology with Frazier or gotten the re-match with Norton. Foreman in the other hand never recovered and had to wait an incredible 20 years before winning a title.
Good one, you beat me to it. That was the epitome of a psychological knockout. Foreman came in invincible and left broken even though Ali took the greater physical beating.
I'd also have to include Leonard Duran II in the same vein. Having already lost to Duran, if Leonard had lost the second fight I'm fairly certain his legacy would have been seriously tarnished. Leonard beat Duran psychologically the same way Ali took out Foreman. The post fight interviews were very telling, with Duran announcing his retirement after saying "No Mas" Of course he came back and continued to wreck havoc, but for the short term you just can't beat the mind fwock of the 7th round... gives me goose bumps every time I watch it.
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I'd have to add Trinidad/Hopkins in the mix as well. Tito was thought to be unbeatable by some and only the purists knew Hopkins would give him trouble or beat him. Hopkins was pretty much unknown at this point to the casual fan, and that changed dramatically after the fight. If he didn't fight Tito I highly doubt he would be part of GBP right now because I know DLH wouldn't have fought him if Tito didn't. He would still be fighting the Joppy's and Eastman's of the world because nobody would want to take that risk for a minimal payday. We all know what happened to Tito after that fight so I'll stop there. :'(
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Re: Most gained, most lost, in one fight.
You guys are all forgetting your boxing history and just concentrating on the modern era ... when boxing is a minority sport.
For me, there can only be one fight ...... the Jeffries v Johnson heavyweight title fight in Reno on Independence Day 1910.
James J. Jeffries was a gigantic 6'3" and 230 pounds. He was a great athlete who could run the 100m in just over ten seconds despite his size and won the title and defended it some 7 times. He was the first heavywight champion to actually retire undefeated (only Rocky Marciano has done this since) and was celebrated and feted as the greatest fighter who had ever lived and a prime specimen of the white race (those were the times in the USA, I'm afraid)
Johnson came along after he had retired and won the title against the much smaller Tommy Burns. The whole of white America hated Johnson, mainly because he was black but also because of his arrogance and habit of mocking his opponents in the ring.
Public pressure grew and grew for Jeffries to come out of retirement to teach the uppity Johnson a lesson and "restore the title to the white race" (Jack London). IN fairness, Jeffries answered the challenge more out of a sense of duty rather than any real wish to fight again.
In the fight, Jack Johnson mercilessly pounded Jeffries and kept up a running commentary of taunts to him and to his corner. It was a one-sided massacre and Jeffries was humiliated.
After the fight, race riots, lynchings and violence erupted across the US .... the social order had changed somehow after this fight when black people (quietly) rejoiced at the fact that 'they' had won something in equal competition with a white man, the world had its first universally recognised black world heavyweight champion, the first fighter who was not tied to a manager or promoter, Johnson began his march to all-time greatness while Jeffries legend was forever tarnished by this one loss that occurred after his prime had been and gone. He retired again, a broken man. Johnson was a prototype oif a modern boxer in style, size and technique .. and he forever altered the sweet science of boxing.
I cannot think of a single other boxing match where more was won and lost by the protagonists, that received more public interest, where more social impact occurred, or indeed of more historical significance.
(honourable mention to Louis/Schmeling II, but I would argue that was of greater POLITICAL import, but much less of everything else I mentioned above)
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joe calzaghe vs. jeff lacy
i guess tyson vs. spinks
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Baldomir v Judah. From journeyman to Ring Champ.