After seeing Degale struggle in this position, who were some of your best fighters that fought off the ropes..
Ali, Nigel Benn..?
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After seeing Degale struggle in this position, who were some of your best fighters that fought off the ropes..
Ali, Nigel Benn..?
If you want me to stay Floyd you will have to wait a long time.
Roy Jones did it well.
Ali, Jones, Floyd
Toney on the ropes was superb! Jones Jr was explosive turning off. Benitez and Azumah Nelson master class. Old man version of Holmes made a second career out of it and just ran guys into simple 1-2s all night.
Holmes did it with Mercer, well remembered Spicoli!
How dumb/limited/inexperience was Ray Mercer?
He was an Olympic gold medalist who had just destroyed an over hyped Tommy Morrison and was viewed as a threat to Evander Holyfield prior to the loss. Holmes was masterful that night, completely befuddling Mercer and nullifying his strength and offense. Great win for Larry in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Watch Hop vs Tito, Floyd vs Hatton and Jesus Chavez, and Oscar vs Genaro Hernandez for great displays of fighting off the ropes. Toney and Roy were very good calls, as both were effective along the ropes. It is interesting, however, that while guys could be effective fighters off the ropes they could also have nights where the strategy hurt them. Think Roy vs Glen Johnson (I know Roy was slipping), Toney vs Tiberi, and Floyd vs Castillo (first fight).
I recall Roger Mayweather being effective off the ropes as well.
Fighting on the ropes can be bad for boxers and De gale got battered Saturday and nearly knocked out in the 5th round
Ray was a tank but I've always thought him a more capable boxer than giving credit for. He wasn't just waiting on bombs with Morrison he was positioning him and dragging his inexperience anchor out before sinking him. The jab of Mercer hurt the best he fought, including Holmes who was rocked across the ring with one in the 1st round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yes I think that is where Holmes decided to do his own version of the rope a dope.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliRay was a tank but I've always thought him a more capable boxer than giving credit for. He wasn't just waiting on bombs with Morrison he was positioning him and dragging his inexperience anchor out before sinking him. The jab of Mercer hurt the best he fought, including Holmes who was rocked across the ring with one in the 1st round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
James Toney for me. He seemed to be in his element sitting back on the ropes countering the shit out of opponents. Best chin in the history of boxing right there.
I cannot figure out why Gandalf is always so high on James Toney. I liked his performance against Jirov G rough but he took way way way way too many punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Because he's a master boxer who in this context at the very least, is as good if not better than anything you care to mention at any point in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustI cannot figure out why Gandalf is always so high on James Toney. I liked his performance against Jirov G rough but he took way way way way too many punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Toney was at home on the ropes. You see guys, pro's with good pedigree who aren't comfortable under fire, human nature I guess. Toney was the complete opposite. Totally at one.