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Gennady Golovkin vs Miguel Cotto
Gennady Golovkin wants to get back inside the ring in December
To defend his middleweight titles rather than sit and wait until May of 2018
To face Saul Alvarez. One option for Golovkin’s December fight is Miguel Cotto
He’s supposed to be retiring after December, and he’s looking for a big fight...
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2017/09/...-cotto-option/
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Negative article because his would be a big fight. It would likely take place in Madison Square Garden. Yoshihiro Kamegai would actually be perfect preparation as he was a naturally larger man who just kept coming forward and provided nonstop pressure (albeit with inferior offense) I know people will write Cotto off because of his size but he is a world class fighter and he would give GGG issues for as long as he holds up under the pressure. Another option would be Jacobs but I think we all know that GGG wouldn’t risk a rematch with Alvarez fighting Jacobs in December.
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GGG should just fight Saunders and collect the other title which stops Canelo doing anything at middleweight.
Cotto would be a second option but no catchweight.
Canelo fighting twice a year is a joke.
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Sad that Cotto is retiring, hell of a career....I'd like to see him go out a winner, but if he fights GGG that ain't happening.
GGG should fight Jacobs or Saunders
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Master
GGG should just fight Saunders and collect the other title which stops Canelo doing anything at middleweight.
Cotto would be a second option but no catchweight.
Canelo fighting twice a year is a joke.
Saunders is boring and nobody cares about the WBO title. Canelo has already won the WBC belt along with the lineal championship at 160. If GGG is too small to meet Ward at 168 then he can surely lose a few pounds and meet Cotto at 158 or whatever weight Cotto decides (he's the draw)
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Master
GGG should just fight Saunders and collect the other title which stops Canelo doing anything at middleweight.
Cotto would be a second option but no catchweight.
Canelo fighting twice a year is a joke.
Saunders is boring and nobody cares about the WBO title. Canelo has already won the WBC belt along with the lineal championship at 160. If GGG is too small to meet Ward at 168 then he can surely lose a few pounds and meet Cotto at 158 or whatever weight Cotto decides (he's the draw)
Cotto is not the draw or A side fighter no longer. I respect Cotto but he avoided GGG just as Canelo did when they stutter at interviews saying how they would fight GGG but never did. Canelo was put in a corner and had to fight.
Cotto should fight someone at light middle and defend his title and retire.
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Cotto has taken a lot of punishment in career.
He needs to edge away into retirement perhaps facing Kell Brook in the U.K for a big payday.
He will never fight GGG and will only get more of a hiding from Canelo in the rematch.
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@imp he's not coming to the UK, he'll probably close out his career in New York. It could be Brook or Khan but I think it's most likely going to be a rubber match with Margarito. He beats all three for me.
@Master the problem is there are no names at 154. Guys like Lara, Andrade and Charlo are all high risk and low reward so he'll be hoping somebody from 147 moves up (Khan, Brook, Garcia) if not we'll likely get a third fight with Margarito.
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I can't stand Margarito.
Why on earth has he not been banned for life?!
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I would like to see it. Cotto claims he wants a big fight and GGG needs to stay busy. It would be another name on his resume. What is not to like? It isn't as though there is an age difference or anything like that. Cotto has fought at MW against a crippled Martinez, now how about he face off against a healthy strong MW?
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Someone trying to get Cotto permanently injured? There is a reason Cotto never ventured to 'legit' middleweight and it's because he knows his limitations at this point. Cotto has been eyeing the exit door after a great career for some time and has stated again December is it for him. Respects to him but honestly it's a step sideways at the least for Golovkin after majority of fans, save for some :-X, had him beating the man in Canelo who himself already beat the same Cotto convincingly. Cotto is a 'name' but Golovkin has new exposure after Saturday and needs go forward on his own terms. Golovkin should camp out on the lawn of Saunders and hope to speed up rematch with Canelo. Or do something absolutely nutty like fight one of his mandatories like Charlo.
I'd like to see Cotto make a final run at 154 where many top guys are sorting each other out soon. Here's a crazy idea...if..there's that word again..Trout beats Hurd and grabs his strap Cotto tries for redemption and walks into the sunset as champion, not a stepping stone scalp.
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Absolute garbage fight. Cotto is way too small and is way way past his best. It's also garbage for a rematch between GGG and Canelo to wait a year instead of doing it in December. No reason for a stay busy fight.
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It's a better fight than Kell Brook and as a stay busy it makes sense from a GGG perspective. A name, staying active and maybe another comparable Canelo opponent. However, from a Cotto point of view it probably seems like hard work and it doesn't seem like he wants any of that.
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It's a better fight than Kell Brook and as a stay busy it makes sense from a GGG perspective. A name, staying active and maybe another comparable Canelo opponent. However, from a Cotto point of view it probably seems like hard work and it doesn't seem like he wants any of that.
It's only a name. The Brook fight wasn't a great pick but st least he was known by most as the best welterweight in the world at the time. Much better than Cotto is at the moment.
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Cotto said he wants a big fight and that's the biggest out there for him. If he is really done by the end of the year it's short notice.
With Pac out maybe Cotto could travel and fight Horn at a CW. I think that could be fun.
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Someone trying to get Cotto permanently injured? There is a reason Cotto never ventured to 'legit' middleweight and it's because he knows his limitations at this point. Cotto has been eyeing the exit door after a great career for some time and has stated again December is it for him. Respects to him but honestly it's a step sideways at the least for Golovkin after majority of fans, save for some :-X, had him beating the man in Canelo who himself already beat the same Cotto convincingly. Cotto is a 'name' but Golovkin has new exposure after Saturday and needs go forward on his own terms. Golovkin should camp out on the lawn of Saunders and hope to speed up rematch with Canelo. Or do something absolutely nutty like fight one of his mandatories like Charlo.I'd like to see Cotto make a final run at 154 where many top guys are sorting each other out soon. Here's a crazy idea...if..there's that word again..Trout beats Hurd and grabs his strap Cotto tries for redemption and walks into the sunset as champion, not a stepping stone scalp.
I too would like to see him avenge to Trout loss if he can. That was an upset and Trout is a good fighter.
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What a shit fight GGG v Cotto is. I don't think Cotto will finish on that note Anyway.
Cotto wants one last mega payday, to get that he's probably gonna have to fight someone that beats him.
I don't see why Hearn hasn't been busting a gut to get Cotto v Brook made.
In the current U.K. Climate, he would make it ppv and perhaps a stadium fight. That would be enough to give Cotto and Brook the money they want, and although they will see it as a perfect way for Brook to step up AND get a title, I think that Cotto may also fancy his chances.
The only reason I can see that they don't try to make this would be if Brook is finished after his injuries.
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Who would want to see Brook quit on PPV again? Does he really deserve a big fight at home again after losing twice in a row? I think Khan deserves it more and he'd leave home to get it.
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Who would want to see Brook quit on PPV again? Does he really deserve a big fight at home again after losing twice in a row? I think Khan deserves it more and he'd leave home to get it.
Khan does not deserve it either by that criteria.
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Who would want to see Brook quit on PPV again? Does he really deserve a big fight at home again after losing twice in a row? I think Khan deserves it more and he'd leave home to get it.
Khan does not deserve it either by that criteria.
Khan hasn't lost two in a row in his own backyard :confused:
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Who would want to see Brook quit on PPV again? Does he really deserve a big fight at home again after losing twice in a row? I think Khan deserves it more and he'd leave home to get it.
Khan does not deserve it either by that criteria.
Khan hasn't lost two in a row in his own backyard :confused:
Khan has not fought enough to warrant any fight. He is semi retired.
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GaMo
Who would want to see Brook quit on PPV again? Does he really deserve a big fight at home again after losing twice in a row? I think Khan deserves it more and he'd leave home to get it.
Khan does not deserve it either by that criteria.
Khan hasn't lost two in a row in his own backyard :confused:
Khan has not fought enough to warrant any fight. He is semi retired.
Cotto has fought once in almost two years
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Master
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GaMo
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Master
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GaMo
Who would want to see Brook quit on PPV again? Does he really deserve a big fight at home again after losing twice in a row? I think Khan deserves it more and he'd leave home to get it.
Khan does not deserve it either by that criteria.
Khan hasn't lost two in a row in his own backyard :confused:
Khan has not fought enough to warrant any fight. He is semi retired.
Cotto has fought once in almost two years
Cotto won his last fight and has a title.
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Master
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Master
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GaMo
Who would want to see Brook quit on PPV again? Does he really deserve a big fight at home again after losing twice in a row? I think Khan deserves it more and he'd leave home to get it.
Khan does not deserve it either by that criteria.
Khan hasn't lost two in a row in his own backyard :confused:
Khan has not fought enough to warrant any fight. He is semi retired.
Cotto has fought once in almost two years
Cotto won his last fight and has a title.
Yeah, but he lost the fight before that against Alvarez (just like Khan)
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Master
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GaMo
Who would want to see Brook quit on PPV again? Does he really deserve a big fight at home again after losing twice in a row? I think Khan deserves it more and he'd leave home to get it.
Khan does not deserve it either by that criteria.
Khan hasn't lost two in a row in his own backyard :confused:
Khan has not fought enough to warrant any fight. He is semi retired.
Cotto has fought once in almost two years
Cotto won his last fight and has a title.
Yeah, but he lost the fight before that against Alvarez (just like Khan)
Yeah, but I'm just stating facts. It doesn't matter what you , I or @Master thinks, Brook v Cotto is a fight that generates big dough and makes sense for both sides.
For Brook, a chance to move straight up and get a title, deservedly or not.
For Cotto, a chance to take the Brit money with what he would believe is a very winnable fight and retire on a victory.
It's important to end on a win because then he's got the option to change his mind and make more silly money if he wishes.
Whether warranted or not, Brook and Cotto still generate big money.
As for Khan, well that cunt deserves fuck all. He is irrelevant and the only person who talks about him is himself.
BJS Called him out for December because he knew he wouldn't take the bait and if he did, not only would he be moving up 2 weights, but he would be rustier than a 1972 Lancia Delta!
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BJS is a *guy with a really shitty haircut. He calls himself a champion yet he's calling out a guy who's not fought in ages and when he last did was brutally knocked out. If he had a pair of balls he'd fight Jacobs but we both know he's hasn't just like his boyfriend Fury.
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GGG just beat one guy who hid from the best at 154, why not an encore? Another guy hiding from the best at 154, get absurd money on name value. No reason for GGG to fight the best 154 guys now, all the other 154 fighters he's fought weren't the best at 154. GGG is getting old, people aren't being fair expecting him to step up to top Junior Middleweights now.
He destroys Cotto, Cotto has a name, try to make it. Like trying to make a fight with retired Froch or crap Chavez or or or. GGGs has consistently searched out the highest easiest payday. I for one have accepted this and no longer hold out any hope the guy will make the right fights.
Do you GGG, soft seats until you die.
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I don't see Cotto taking that fight. GGG needs to unify the belts, that has been his camps statement all along. If Brook returns that would be the best choice for Cotto in my opinion.
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Cotto should just let Mikey beat him up in December.
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GGG just beat one guy who hid from the best at 154, why not an encore? Another guy hiding from the best at 154, get absurd money on name value. No reason for GGG to fight the best 154 guys now, all the other 154 fighters he's fought weren't the best at 154. GGG is getting old, people aren't being fair expecting him to step up to top Junior Middleweights now.
He destroys Cotto, Cotto has a name, try to make it. Like trying to make a fight with retired Froch or crap Chavez or or or. GGGs has consistently searched out the highest easiest payday. I for one have accepted this and no longer hold out any hope the guy will make the right fights.
Do you GGG, soft seats until you die.
GGG has beaten the best middleweights out there one after the other to unify the belts. This was even before the other champs like Strum avoided him when he was a challenger. What more can he do?
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GGG just beat one guy who hid from the best at 154.
He didn’t beat Canelo (It was a draw) and Alvarez did beat the best at 154. He unified the WBC and WBA titles which awarded him The Ring title at light-middleweight (he also won the WBO on a later date) he beat Cintron, Mosley, Lara, Trout, Angulo and Kirkland at 154 so that statement you made is pure fiction.
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GGG just beat one guy who hid from the best at 154.
He didn’t beat Canelo (It was a draw) and Alvarez did beat the best at 154. He unified the WBC and WBA titles which awarded him The Ring title at light-middleweight (he also won the WBO on a later date) he beat Cintron, Mosley, Lara, Trout, Angulo and Kirkland at 154 so that statement you made is pure fiction.
He hid at Caneloweight to avoid the top fighters and picked on Liam Smith to grab a fake belt. Everyone knows who the real champions at 154 are and it wasn't Liam Smith, and it isn't Cotto.
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Master
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Ron Swanson
GGG just beat one guy who hid from the best at 154, why not an encore? Another guy hiding from the best at 154, get absurd money on name value. No reason for GGG to fight the best 154 guys now, all the other 154 fighters he's fought weren't the best at 154. GGG is getting old, people aren't being fair expecting him to step up to top Junior Middleweights now.
He destroys Cotto, Cotto has a name, try to make it. Like trying to make a fight with retired Froch or crap Chavez or or or. GGGs has consistently searched out the highest easiest payday. I for one have accepted this and no longer hold out any hope the guy will make the right fights.
Do you GGG, soft seats until you die.
GGG has beaten the best middleweights out there one after the other to unify the belts. This was even before the other champs like Strum avoided him when he was a challenger. What more can he do?
The best to unify the belts?
Milton Nunez
Makoto Fuchigami
Marco Antonio Rubio
David Lemieux
Which of those guys that he got hisbelts from was the best?
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Ron Swanson
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Master
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Ron Swanson
GGG just beat one guy who hid from the best at 154, why not an encore? Another guy hiding from the best at 154, get absurd money on name value. No reason for GGG to fight the best 154 guys now, all the other 154 fighters he's fought weren't the best at 154. GGG is getting old, people aren't being fair expecting him to step up to top Junior Middleweights now.
He destroys Cotto, Cotto has a name, try to make it. Like trying to make a fight with retired Froch or crap Chavez or or or. GGGs has consistently searched out the highest easiest payday. I for one have accepted this and no longer hold out any hope the guy will make the right fights.
Do you GGG, soft seats until you die.
GGG has beaten the best middleweights out there one after the other to unify the belts. This was even before the other champs like Strum avoided him when he was a challenger. What more can he do?
The best to unify the belts?
Milton Nunez
Makoto Fuchigami
Marco Antonio Rubio
David Lemieux
Which of those guys that he got hisbelts from was the best?
None, they're all bums but Lara, Trout, Angullo and Kirkland were the best at 154.
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GaMo
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Ron Swanson
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Master
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
GGG just beat one guy who hid from the best at 154, why not an encore? Another guy hiding from the best at 154, get absurd money on name value. No reason for GGG to fight the best 154 guys now, all the other 154 fighters he's fought weren't the best at 154. GGG is getting old, people aren't being fair expecting him to step up to top Junior Middleweights now.
He destroys Cotto, Cotto has a name, try to make it. Like trying to make a fight with retired Froch or crap Chavez or or or. GGGs has consistently searched out the highest easiest payday. I for one have accepted this and no longer hold out any hope the guy will make the right fights.
Do you GGG, soft seats until you die.
GGG has beaten the best middleweights out there one after the other to unify the belts. This was even before the other champs like Strum avoided him when he was a challenger. What more can he do?
The best to unify the belts?
Milton Nunez
Makoto Fuchigami
Marco Antonio Rubio
David Lemieux
Which of those guys that he got hisbelts from was the best?
None, they're all bums but Lara, Trout, Angullo and Kirkland were the best at 154.
Lara is the only one that is a top level fighter. To be fair Trout was when Canelo fought him though. I must admit that. Angulo was used up and Kirkland was never what people thought. I was embarrassed for Canelo when he made the Kirkland fight. I understand it, bring this big guy in to look tough until he gets KOed. But doesn't change the fact Kirkland is brought in to be KOed.
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Kirkland was never what people thought. I was embarrassed for Canelo when he made the Kirkland fight. I understand it, bring this big guy in to look tough until he gets KOed. But doesn't change the fact Kirkland is brought in to be KOed.
Kirkland was 32-1 with 28 KO's, He'd won five in a row (four by knockout) against Molina, Angulo and Tapia (who was 20-0) and that's embarrassing? Hate to know what you thought of GGG fighting Macklin, Wade, Monroe and all the other bums he fought in his title defences.
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Cotto and Golovkin is decent fight to make. Golovkin would start a clear favourite but he is in decline which would make it interesting to watch. The longer it goes the more you expect the bigger man to wear Cotto down. The Puerto Rican is unlikely to be able to absorb the amount of punishment a prime Canelo did but he does have the experience and moves to make it a good fight.
Triple G will do what we expect him to, come forward relentlessly, cutting off corners and taking any punches that are thrown back at him in defiance. Cotto will use angles and movement to get through the early rounds but ultimately I see it ending the same way as the 1st Margarito fight for Cotto.
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Kirkland was never what people thought. I was embarrassed for Canelo when he made the Kirkland fight. I understand it, bring this big guy in to look tough until he gets KOed. But doesn't change the fact Kirkland is brought in to be KOed.
Kirkland was 32-1 with 28 KO's, He'd won five in a row (four by knockout) against Molina, Angulo and Tapia (who was 20-0) and that's embarrassing? Hate to know what you thought of GGG fighting Macklin, Wade, Monroe and all the other bums he fought in his title defences.
I was a huge Golovkin supporter 6/7 years ago. But watching his opponents is what turned me away. Watching people excuse his opponents really.
I mean right now we have Jacobs available, wanting the fight. And we have GGG instead looking at yet another former WW to move up. And people feel comfortable talking about GGG was avoided, that's why he didn't fight good fighters. Ummm, what about the avoiding he does?!
Literally in a thread where we are discussing GGG looking soft rather than taking the hard available fights people are blaming the hard fight guy that wants the fight, madness.
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Ron Swanson
GGG just beat one guy who hid from the best at 154.
He didn’t beat Canelo (It was a draw) and Alvarez did beat the best at 154. He unified the WBC and WBA titles which awarded him The Ring title at light-middleweight (he also won the WBO on a later date) he beat Cintron, Mosley, Lara, Trout, Angulo and Kirkland at 154 so that statement you made is pure fiction.
Yeah a """draw"""......Adelaide Byrd's card was so bad she's taking a hiatus from being a judge GGG won the fight in the ring, he got jobbed by a corrupt or inept (take your pick) judge and that's a travesty.
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Right, let's get to the point. What fights are acceptable for GGG?
For me only Jacobs or BJS. Only if they're willing to fight him . (Jacobs would, BJS I'm not so sure no matter what he fucking says!) or Charlo or a step up to SMW.
What fights are acceptable for Canelo?
A rematch , or a fight with Jacobs or BJS or Charlo.
I can't think of anything else that is
acceptable..
I don't believe Cotto is acceptable for either.
We will only too soon know who is up for it or who is a pussy!