The Amazing Race: Pacquiao vs. JM Marquez for P4P supremacy

The Amazing Race: Pacquiao vs. JM Marquez for P4P supremacy

PAC and JMM fought each other last March 15, 2008. PAC got the headstart at the starting line by winning in split decision verdict.

..........PAC
JMM

PAC invaded the LW division on June 28, 2008 and successfully defeated the then WBC LW champ David Diaz in 9 one-sided rounds.

...............PAC
JMM

Marquez followed PAC in the LW division and defeated the lineal champ Joel Casamayor last September 13, 2008.

...............PAC
..........JMM

In December 6, 2008, Pacquiao jumped 2 divisions to 147 to fight the most popular boxer in the world, Oscar Dela Hoya and annihilated Oscar in 8 one-sided rounds.

....................PAC
..........JMM

Last weekend, JMM solidified his hold of the LW division by stopping Juan Diaz in the 9th round and in the process adding the WBA, WBO and IBO LW titles.

....................PAC
..................JMM

Again this P4P race is becoming more closer with JMM right behind PAC at this point.

PAC is scheduled to fight Ricky Hatton on May 2 again in PAC's new division, the Jr. WW division. A win over Hatton will surely give PAC a huge lead again in this P4P race.

PAC has at most 2 more fights after the Hatton fight before he retires from boxing at the end of this year... With so many big names like Cotto, Mosley, etc. mentioning PAC as a possible future opponent, does JMM still has a chance to lure PAC for another fight?

Will this race be finished without PAC and JMM having another fight?
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At this point, I still consider PAC having the lead over JMM of the P4P supremacy starting from their last fight. PAC's win over JMM, DDiaz and Hoya is greater achievement than JMM's win over Casa and JuanDiaz...

Pacquiao is definitely p4p right now. A match-up between him and J.M.M. for a third time is a fight of great interest. However, I would like to see Mayweather come out of retirement to fight Pacquiao after he finishes off Hatton.
As elusive and defensively supreme as Mayweather is, I don't think his beard has ever been tested. And as awkward and confusing Pacquiao is, I can't see him not landing a solid shot on Mayweather.
I think that's the fight to be made. Mayweather will not stay in retirement - especially with so much money on the table for such a classic fight.

The dot system. I like it. I prefer to use the :p system though.

Right now,

:p:p:p Pac

:p:p:p:pJMM

So there it is.

JMM 4 :p's for the win!

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

Pacquiao is definitely p4p right now. A match-up between him and J.M.M. for a third time is a fight of great interest. However, I would like to see Mayweather come out of retirement to fight Pacquiao after he finishes off Hatton.
As elusive and defensively supreme as Mayweather is, I don't think his beard has ever been tested. And as awkward and confusing Pacquiao is, I can't see him not landing a solid shot on Mayweather.
I think that's the fight to be made. Mayweather will not stay in retirement - especially with so much money on the table for such a classic fight.

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JMM called out PBF after his win over Juan Diaz yesterday... Some think it's a slap on PAC as JMM stated he's calling out the best P4P boxer out there that's not "afraid" to fight him and he consider that man as PBF...

If PBF comes out of retirement, I think he prefer to fight PAC as against JMM or Mosley or Cotto...
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Originally Posted by Youngblood

The dot system. I like it. I prefer to use the :p system though.

Right now,

:p:p:p Pac

:p:p:p:pJMM

So there it is.

JMM 4 :p's for the win!

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Would you care to explain why JMM is having more :p in your book than PAC??
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To annoy you, basically.

You are hyping David Diaz out of proportion, and failing to take notice that OLDH was in very poor form in PAC's fight. Now don't get me wrong, I like Pac too, but atleast be honest about things. What we saw last night was a performance under extreme pressure from a great fighter that far exceded the 2 previous Pac fights.

I'd sorta like to see Pac slip outta p4p until the hatton fight and then see what happens, for I feel JMM has earned it with his grit and choices. Certainly earned it enough for this discussion to take place.

Same thread. Same post

The difference between recent opponents pretty much tells the difference between the fighters. Lets take a unbiased look.

Marquez came to the Lightweight division looking to face it's undisputed champion and top fighter. He found him in Joel Casamayor. It was a struggle but Marquez won and became the first man ever to stop the great Casamayor. If Nate Campbell would of made weight, i have no doubt Marquez would faced the winner of Campbell-Joan Guzman. Marquez could of sat on the sidelines or faced some stiff to just stay busy. But Marquez ain't like that. So he takes on the next available option. Juan Diaz. In Diaz's hometown. Any chance Marquez loses his title due to home judging goes out the window when Marquez becomes the first man ever to stop Diaz.

After getting his 2nd gift and than avoiding a 3rd fight with Marquez, Pacquiao moves to Lightweight. All the top fighters are available and waiting. Joel Casamayor, Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz and Joan Guzman. So are some of the 2nd tier fighters. Julio Diaz and Michael Katsidis. Pacquiao decides to face 3rd tier David Diaz. A fighter who won a vacant title from a non-champion. And had been stopped before by an average puncher. Predictaly Pac stops him. After being called out by Casamayor, Campbell, Marquez, Diaz and Edwin Valero. Pac decides to fight Oscar De La Hoya. A fight that looked to be dangerous on paper. But keep in mind Pac only took the fight cuz his trainer Freddie Roach had first hand knowledge on information nobody else knew. That Oscar was shot. So what first looked like a dangerous fight in reality was a cake walk. Cake walk indeed. Pac easily beats a De La Hoya who looked liked he would of easily lost to Ivan Calderon as well.

When you actually take the time and actually look at the facts the difference in fighters is obvious. One seeks the toughest opposition. The other would perfer to hand pick his opponents. And that's why Marquez is without a doubt pound for pound number 1.
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Was hoping this was about the Amazing Race show airing tonight on CBS.....anyone catch the blond gymnast ??:mwink:

Thats a solid breakdown VD.Top notch

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Was hoping this was about the Amazing Race show airing tonight on CBS.....anyone catch the blond gymnast ??:mwink:

Thats a solid breakdown VD.Top notch

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Watching it now, me likee gymnastics.

I also have a dot chart to add on here

:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha: reality
:lolhaha: Saddoboxer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Was hoping this was about the Amazing Race show airing tonight on CBS.....anyone catch the blond gymnast ??:mwink:

Thats a solid breakdown VD.Top notch

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Watching it now, me likee gymnastics.

I also have a dot chart to add on here

:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha: reality
:lolhaha: Saddoboxer

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Haa Or :ziplip::ziplip::ziplip::vanish::ziplip::ziplip: predictability

SaddoBoxer...I challenge you to go one entire day without mention of Manny.Come on,give it a go??

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Was hoping this was about the Amazing Race show airing tonight on CBS.....anyone catch the blond gymnast ??:mwink:

Thats a solid breakdown VD.Top notch

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Watching it now, me likee gymnastics.

I also have a dot chart to add on here

:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha: reality
:lolhaha: Saddoboxer

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Haa Or :ziplip::ziplip::ziplip::vanish::ziplip::ziplip: predictability

SaddoBoxer...I challenge you to go one entire day without mention of Manny.Come on,give it a go??

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

To annoy you, basically.

You are hyping David Diaz out of proportion, and failing to take notice that OLDH was in very poor form in PAC's fight. Now don't get me wrong, I like Pac too, but atleast be honest about things. What we saw last night was a performance under extreme pressure from a great fighter that far exceded the 2 previous Pac fights.

I'd sorta like to see Pac slip outta p4p until the hatton fight and then see what happens, for I feel JMM has earned it with his grit and choices. Certainly earned it enough for this discussion to take place.

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Like I said, PAC's wins over JMM, DDiaz and Hoya is far greater than JMM's wins over Casa and JDiaz. Do you agree with me?

To those who said PAC is cherry picking opponents... Hoya offered the fight to PBF and Hatton then both declined. Hoya offered the fight to PAC then you're criticizing PAC in accepting the Hoya fight??
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I like both Pac AND Juan Manuel Marquez, so I believe I can speak without much of a bias toward either. And although Pac's TKO of Oscar was incredible, given the amount of weight divisions Pac had to move up (not to mention how personally rewarding it was for me)... everyone knows that Oscar was shot. Meanwhile, Juan Diaz is a dangerous, non-stop punching machine who had JMM in trouble during the early rounds, and only JMM's veteran mastery of the ring and his true grit allowed him to finally KO Diaz.

So to me, JMM's victory was more impressive, even if only slightly so.

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Do you agree with me?

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no.