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Are the Beatles overrated?
I belong to a few others site. We talk about music sometimes. Some of the younger people believe they are overrated. In fact they say there are many bands who are just as good if not better. Okay I can understand some of it. Maybe they're not the rock gods people think they are. None of them or as good as Jimmy Page or Hendricks. As a group they were gold. The best song writers of all time. Understand this, They were only a band for 8 years and broke up before the age of 30. Yet they sold over 1 billion records. I love the Clash, Radiohead and a few others. I also know that every band I love have taken something from the Beatles. They were nothing like them before or since. What do you guys think? Are they overrated?
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Are the Beatles overrated?
NO
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Batman
Are the Beatles overrated?
NO
Beat me to it caped crusader. Another NO here. So can we close this thread now then? ;D
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I think they ticked all the boxes when Rock'n'Roll was brand spankin new there was Elvis who is The King and he went through the ups and downs of his career (which kind of mirrored Frank Sinatra's to be honest: the teeny bopper heart throb, to the Army [Frankie didn't do that part], to the wild guy unable to be shown from the chest down on Edd Sullivan, to the movie star, to Vegas, and fade out) ....likewise The Beatles went from teen heart throbs to wild rockers, to movie stars, to pushing the envelope, to drugged out loons, to guys who ended up in their own different little worlds.
Lennon and McCartney are probably the best songwriting duo in the history of Rock'n'Roll, George Harrison's guitar playing is MASSIVELY underrated (he was going to be replaced by Eric Clapton for fucks sake! Yes, in The Beatles) Harrison was always overshadowed by the others but God damn he was talented, Ringo is a hell of a drummer, he didn't do crazy solos or draw all the attention to himself, he was just a very solid role player for The Beatles.
Also, like Elvis, like Sinatra, The Beatles did ballads, they did R&B songs, they did pure rock, they pushed the envelope with proto-progressive rock, shit early on they covered folksy kind of music and standards. They covered all the bases, they had gobs of talent, and they were the first ever to do it that big and that wild.
Like Rocky Marciano or a PRIME Mike Tyson The Beatles can't help but be both, they're overrated but they're underrated at the very same time. Their best is amazing, their average is amazing, it's so difficult to compare and contrast to anyone else even The Rolling Stones who have been around for ages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCtzkaL2t_Y
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Anyone who dares ask this question should be shot. Just the fact that Lennon and McCartney met proves the existence of God. Their voices were meant to be together. Paul was a great bass player. Sgt pepper to this day is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written. I've been lucky enough to see McCartney and Richard starkey. The Beatles are like Mozart and Beethoven it will always be. I think some take these statements as an insult to music they like but it isn't. Know lock this thread and slap 👋 master
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Name one other band that changed the world. Just one.
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mrbig1
Name one other band that changed the world. Just one.
Bob Dylan changed music. Like a rolling stone was ahead of it's time. Dude is the American Shakespeare
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mrbig1
Name one other band that changed the world. Just one.
Bob Dylan changed music. Like a rolling stone was ahead of it's time. Dude is the American Shakespeare
100% agree.
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mrbig1
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walrus
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Originally Posted by
mrbig1
Name one other band that changed the world. Just one.
Bob Dylan changed music. Like a rolling stone was ahead of it's time. Dude is the American Shakespeare
100% agree.
So there you have it, 1 band has been named. :)
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Master
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mrbig1
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walrus
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Originally Posted by
mrbig1
Name one other band that changed the world. Just one.
Bob Dylan changed music. Like a rolling stone was ahead of it's time. Dude is the American Shakespeare
100% agree.
So there you have it, 1 band has been named. :)
Bob Dylan is not a band
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Batman
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Master
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mrbig1
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walrus
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Originally Posted by
mrbig1
Name one other band that changed the world. Just one.
Bob Dylan changed music. Like a rolling stone was ahead of it's time. Dude is the American Shakespeare
100% agree.
So there you have it, 1 band has been named. :)
Bob Dylan is not a band
Rolling Stones is.
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mrbig1
Name one other band that changed the world. Just one.
Tricky one. They changed a world that Bill Haley/Elvis/the Blues artists etc had already ripened up for teenagers and revolution. Their key was a willingness to change adapt and move on and use people like Martin in realising a sound that was unique. Everyone after had big shoes to fill but hard to pretend these did not change the world
The Sex Pistols/The Clash - Punk was much more than the music and represented a seachange in sensibility and approach and what The Clash did for Reggae alone changed many attitudes
Run DMC /Grandmaster Flash - Hip Hop again liked punk changed everything from fashion to the acceptance of things like street art and again attitudes and language
Black Sabbath/Led Zeppelin - No heavy metal or heavy rock scenes without these two giants and again culturally pushed the envelope and legitimized another kind of rebellion for millions
Kraftwerk - It's easy to dismiss electronic Music as it is everywhere but no techno/trance/ambient/house music etc without these guys first
James Brown - Again no Funk/Soul/Disco etc whole genres springing from the groundwork laid by him. Can you even imagine people like Jackson without him ?
The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Huge impact for much more than guitar gods, Jazz/funk/rock/fusion bands started because of him and the whole counter cultural movement
Pink Floyd - Again moving on things like recording technology and even influencing detractors like the Pistols to rebel against their prog/concept
Nirvana/Sonic Youth - It gets hard this far down the line but again a sea change in approach and sound spawning many bands and an influence still heard today
Duke Ellington/Count Basie
The Beach Boys
The Grateful dead
Abba
yes I did just say ABBA (check out harmonies, songwriting, astonishing attention to detail in recording)
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lol, don't we all live in a yellow submarine?
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talk bout a head of time, written 83
Well, my shoes, they come from Singapore
My flashlight's from Taiwan
My tablecloth's from Malaysia
My belt buckle's from the Amazon
You know, this shirt I wear comes from the Philippines
And the car I drive is a Chevrolet
It was put together down in Argentina
By a guy making thirty cents a day
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No
The end
Elvis was mind
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If it weren't for the Everly Brothers there would be no Beatles sorry to break the news
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Mark TKO
No
The end
Elvis was mind
Hmmm let me think about that for a second....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yii1u2Lz-II
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If it weren't for the Everly Brothers there would be no Beatles sorry to break the news
No one said the Beatles didn't have influenced but without the Beatles roger waters said he wouldn't have been able to do what pink Floyd did. Every band since 1964 has been influenced by the Beatles
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Without The Kingston Trio and Chuck Berry there's no Beach Boys
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I recently got Sirius radio and they have a Beatle channel. It's phenomenal. They play the whole catalog along with bands that influenced the Beatles and bands influenced by the Beatles. It's a great station
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walrus
I recently got Sirius radio and they have a Beatle channel. It's phenomenal. They play the whole catalog along with bands that influenced the Beatles and bands influenced by the Beatles. It's a great station
The Beatles had an immediate impact on Badfinger which was a band with a ton of promise but Pete Ham and Tom Evans both committed suicide...very sad. Paul and George produced a couple of Badfinger's hits.
Also it must be said that individually The Beatles had very impressive solo careers: Lennon doing the old school Rock & R&B stuff, Paul doing the catchy stuff, George doing the guitar focused twangy country rock/spiritual stuff, and Ringo just futzing around being Ringo with his All-Stars.
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El Kabong
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walrus
I recently got Sirius radio and they have a Beatle channel. It's phenomenal. They play the whole catalog along with bands that influenced the Beatles and bands influenced by the Beatles. It's a great station
The Beatles had an immediate impact on Badfinger which was a band with a ton of promise but Pete Ham and Tom Evans both committed suicide...very sad. Paul and George produced a couple of Badfinger's hits.
Yeah, Paul picked them out along with James Taylor they started with Apple 🍎
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Also you can't help but mention Roy Orbison the pipes on that dude....crazy
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El Kabong
Also you can't help but mention Roy Orbison the pipes on that dude....crazy
He was great. I also loved his stint with the traveling wilburys Harrison, Orbison, petty, Lynn and who ever im forgetting oh shit I forgot Dylan
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From the age of 3 I was obsessed with Queen, I mean full on obsessed, I point blank refused to listen to anything else...other than David Bowie (Ziggy Stardust) and that was only because he did Under Pressure, therefore I classed him as a friend of the band.
At the age of 11 I think it would have been, I heard Live Forever by Oasis, that changed my life, all of a sudden I had 2 bands in my life, Queen and Oasis, listening to interviews with Oasis in the early days it was Beatles this, Beatles that, Lennon = God etc
When my mom and dad left for work in the morning whilst I was getting myself ready for school I thought I would go crazy and see what was so great about these beetle dudes, I put revolver on, my head just wouldn't acclimatize to it, I mean Tomorrow Never Knows, Eleanor Rigby, Love You To, it ain't the sort of thing you expect a 12 year old to get.
I persevered with that album for fucking ages and just couldn't get it, at the time in my head it was obviously their best album purely because of the cover, I mean Rubber Soul, Abbey Road etc just looked boring (we didn't have Sgt Peppers on CD)
After about 2 months of trying to force myself to enjoy Revolver I thought I'd stick Abbey Road on...FUCK ME did my whole world changed within the space of 4 songs, Come Together, Something, Maxwells Silver Hammer, Oh Darling, I was fucking hooked, Revolver made sense, Oasis made sense, Queen made sense, Bowie made sense, the fucking universe itself made sense, I was fucking blown away, by the end of the 4th track I had to go to school, I couldn't get it out of my head, I couldn't tell my mom n dad that I was listening to it, that was embarrassing ''Oh by the way mom, dad, I've been listening to that old shit that you have on CD'' I thought I would have been laughed out of the house
I used to practically push my mom out of the front door in the morning so I could blast the first 4 tracks of Abbey Road, then I managed to hit the skip button and slowly worked my way through the rest of the album, then I did Revolver (properly) and then Rubber Soul, then A Hard Days Night etc, about 12 months later my dad said 'you should listen to The Beatles if you like Oasis so much, at this point it was just a thing, before school it was Beatles time, it was my time, I just said 'oh I do, I always listen to them' he just shrugged his shoulders and walked off.
Once I'd exhausted The Beatles I worked my way around everyone, The Kinks, The Small Faces, Dusty Springfield, The Who, The Beach Boys, at this time I was getting into the heavier stuff in a big way as well Zeppelin, Sabbath etc
All in all without The Beatles I probably would have got sucked into that black hole of music that is dance or trance or whatever, yeah The Beatles made me an outcast at school cuz I never got Alice Deejay or ATB - Till I come, but where music was concerned I was the happiest outcast around.
I'm 32 now and The Beatles are still number 3 on my most played bands on Last FM (number one is the Drive By Truckers, number two is Nick Cave)
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Oh Queen is fucking epic! Bowie was amazing, The Kinks, hell the entire British Invasion of the 1960's was amazing so much talent!
Spencer Davis - Gimme Some Lovin' is one of the greatest individual records ever made. By the way, Steve Winwood, AMAZING talent so underrated.
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El Kabong
Oh Queen is fucking epic! Bowie was amazing, The Kinks, hell the entire British Invasion of the 1960's was amazing so much talent!
Spencer Davis - Gimme Some Lovin' is one of the greatest individual records ever made. By the way, Steve Winwood, AMAZING talent so underrated.
I disagree slightly there El Kabs, anyone who knows anything about music classes Stevie Winwood pretty highly, I mean just listen to the Blind Faith album, if you can listen to Blind Faith live at Hyde Park, it's fucking great, I certainly don't think he's underrated amongst the crowd that matters.
I suppose you could say the same about Paul Rogers the people who know music know how good he is the people who don't know music don't know him but they don't matter.
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Batman
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El Kabong
Oh Queen is fucking epic! Bowie was amazing, The Kinks, hell the entire British Invasion of the 1960's was amazing so much talent!
Spencer Davis - Gimme Some Lovin' is one of the greatest individual records ever made. By the way, Steve Winwood, AMAZING talent so underrated.
I disagree slightly there El Kabs, anyone who knows anything about music classes Stevie Winwood pretty highly, I mean just listen to the Blind Faith album, if you can listen to Blind Faith live at Hyde Park, it's fucking great, I certainly don't think he's underrated amongst the crowd that matters.
I suppose you could say the same about Paul Rogers the people who know music know how good he is the people who don't know music don't know him but they don't matter.
Well there's the thing, by musicians he's not underrated, by fans on the other hand he doesn't get mentioned as often as he should.
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I also remember when I was at school and we were going through the obligitury music history and the the teacher asked the class to name all 4 of the beatles, fucking smug she was, of course everyone got Lennon, McCartney and old Dingo Starr, no one knew poor old George, so I called out from my seat 'George Harrison' she looked shocked and said well done.
Next question she asked was 'can anyone name a Beatles song' of course the odd person in the class called out 'let it be' yellow submarine' hard days night' and all the songs that everyone knows, once everyone was scratching their heads I called out 'Blue Jay Way' teacher looked at me and said 'no Lee that isn't a Beatles song' so I called out 'I've just seen a face' she didn't even answer me, someone called out 'HEY JUDE' teacher clapped like a fucking seal 'well done yes thats a beatles song' so I called out 'Rocky Racoon' she didn't answer me, someone else called out 'IMAGINE' she jumped up and down and said 'YES WELL DONE'
I shouted out 'Blue jay way is off the magical mystery tour album and I've just seen a face is off the Help album...and imagine isn't even by the fucking beatles'
she told me to stand outside for the rest of the lesson...I was probably about 14 at the time, I knew more about music than the person teaching me music.
yeah this is the same school that shouted at me for reading a book.
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Batman
I also remember when I was at school and we were going through the obligitury music history and the the teacher asked the class to name all 4 of the beatles, fucking smug she was, of course everyone got Lennon, McCartney and old Dingo Starr, no one knew poor old George, so I called out from my seat 'George Harrison' she looked shocked and said well done.
Next question she asked was 'can anyone name a Beatles song' of course the odd person in the class called out 'let it be' yellow submarine' hard days night' and all the songs that everyone knows, once everyone was scratching their heads I called out 'Blue Jay Way' teacher looked at me and said 'no Lee that isn't a Beatles song' so I called out 'I've just seen a face' she didn't even answer me, someone called out 'HEY JUDE' teacher clapped like a fucking seal 'well done yes thats a beatles song' so I called out 'Rocky Racoon' she didn't answer me, someone else called out 'IMAGINE' she jumped up and down and said 'YES WELL DONE'
I shouted out 'Blue jay way is off the magical mystery tour album and I've just seen a face is off the Help album...and imagine isn't even by the fucking beatles'
she told me to stand outside for the rest of the lesson...I was probably about 14 at the time, I knew more about music than the person teaching me music.
yeah this is the same school that shouted at me for reading a book.
Hahaha poor ol' Batman
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completely off subject I know but I've had a wee drink so I'm gunna have a ramble as well
I get rather possessive over music, I don't begrudge anyone professing to be a big Beatles fan or Queen fan but it really fucks me off these days when you get the greatest hits fans, music is so readily available that people don't put the effort into discovering a band in its entirety these days, for instance I mentioned Nick Cave to a mate at work and he said 'I've not heard of him, I'll listen to him tonight' he came into work the next day and said 'yeah I downloaded his discography, I don't like him' I replied 'well that's fair enough so you've deleted him off your iPod then' and he said 'nah I'm keeping it all on there, I'm not going to delete it'
and the only reason he keeps it (probably till this day) is just in case anyone mentions Nick Cave he can turn around and say 'yeah I've got loads of his stuff' even though he's never listened to a fucking song
Back in the day when I was buying 3 or 4 CD's a week he would feign interest in the band so I would do a copy of the album for him, after a while he asked me to burn him a cd (I can't remember what album broke the camels back) and I told him NO he asked why and I told him that I had worked it out and I'd given him something like £80 worth of music in 4 weeks, he couldn't comprehend why I was pissed off and actually said 'it doesn't cost you anything to put it onto disc and you have already paid for it so whats the harm' I tried to tell him that I would give him a list of CD's that he could buy and then burn them all for me for free and he laughed and said no chance, even then he didn't understand why I was pissed off.
Its funny because it got to the point when I would buy a CD put it on my iPod and then just give it away, I miss having the anticipation of waiting for an album and obsessing over the booklet and reading the lyrics and shit like that, these days its released its downloaded and its gone
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Batman
I also remember when I was at school and we were going through the obligitury music history and the the teacher asked the class to name all 4 of the beatles, fucking smug she was, of course everyone got Lennon, McCartney and old Dingo Starr, no one knew poor old George, so I called out from my seat 'George Harrison' she looked shocked and said well done.
Next question she asked was 'can anyone name a Beatles song' of course the odd person in the class called out 'let it be' yellow submarine' hard days night' and all the songs that everyone knows, once everyone was scratching their heads I called out 'Blue Jay Way' teacher looked at me and said 'no Lee that isn't a Beatles song' so I called out 'I've just seen a face' she didn't even answer me, someone called out 'HEY JUDE' teacher clapped like a fucking seal 'well done yes thats a beatles song' so I called out 'Rocky Racoon' she didn't answer me, someone else called out 'IMAGINE' she jumped up and down and said 'YES WELL DONE'
I shouted out 'Blue jay way is off the magical mystery tour album and I've just seen a face is off the Help album...and imagine isn't even by the fucking beatles'
she told me to stand outside for the rest of the lesson...I was probably about 14 at the time, I knew more about music than the person teaching me music.
yeah this is the same school that shouted at me for reading a book.
Hahaha poor ol' Batman
You mock me but that school is the main reason I am the way that I am today, I never had any problems with the other kids, it was the teachers they were inept, The ones that should have taken me under their wing (music and English especially and probably science and history as well) felt intimidated by me, they were probably relieved when they heard that little batman was getting off his cape on vodka at the age of 14
My school was fucking terrible, it was that bad that in the summer they used to just cancel school uniform, I used to wear a Villa shirt to school and it was allowed, people rocked up in trackie B's and it was the norm, if I could change one thing about my life it would be the school I went to
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El Kabong
Also you can't help but mention Roy Orbison the pipes on that dude....crazy
Agreed. Arguably would've been bigger than Elvis if he'd had his looks
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Batman
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El Kabong
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Batman
I also remember when I was at school and we were going through the obligitury music history and the the teacher asked the class to name all 4 of the beatles, fucking smug she was, of course everyone got Lennon, McCartney and old Dingo Starr, no one knew poor old George, so I called out from my seat 'George Harrison' she looked shocked and said well done.
Next question she asked was 'can anyone name a Beatles song' of course the odd person in the class called out 'let it be' yellow submarine' hard days night' and all the songs that everyone knows, once everyone was scratching their heads I called out 'Blue Jay Way' teacher looked at me and said 'no Lee that isn't a Beatles song' so I called out 'I've just seen a face' she didn't even answer me, someone called out 'HEY JUDE' teacher clapped like a fucking seal 'well done yes thats a beatles song' so I called out 'Rocky Racoon' she didn't answer me, someone else called out 'IMAGINE' she jumped up and down and said 'YES WELL DONE'
I shouted out 'Blue jay way is off the magical mystery tour album and I've just seen a face is off the Help album...and imagine isn't even by the fucking beatles'
she told me to stand outside for the rest of the lesson...I was probably about 14 at the time, I knew more about music than the person teaching me music.
yeah this is the same school that shouted at me for reading a book.
Hahaha poor ol' Batman
You mock me but that school is the main reason I am the way that I am today, I never had any problems with the other kids, it was the teachers they were inept, The ones that should have taken me under their wing (music and English especially and probably science and history as well) felt intimidated by me, they were probably relieved when they heard that little batman was getting off his cape on vodka at the age of 14
My school was fucking terrible, it was that bad that in the summer they used to just cancel school uniform, I used to wear a Villa shirt to school and it was allowed, people rocked up in trackie B's and it was the norm, if I could change one thing about my life it would be the school I went to
We had teachers strikes so missed lessons and went to cinema watching back to the future hundreds of times.
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What a nice thread with no one calling one another names ;D
Batman I used to do the same with my old mans Donovan records, listened to them over and over in my room when no one was around.
When we'd get on the car and he'd be in charge of the tape deck of course, he used to say with a smile on his face 'Im sticking a Donovan tape on' like it was some kind of torture. I'd go along with it of course 'Dad no dont put that rubbish on!!' Im not quite sure if I had him sussed, or him me.
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What a nice thread with no one calling one another names ;D
Batman I used to do the same with my old mans Donovan records, listened to them over and over in my room when no one was around.
When we'd get on the car and he'd be in charge of the tape deck of course, he used to say with a smile on his face 'Im sticking a Donovan tape on' like it was some kind of torture. I'd go along with it of course 'Dad no dont put that rubbish on!!' Im not quite sure if I had him sussed, or him me.
Shut up turd face
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Unrelated but how to u feel about the Grateful Dead. Jerry was a very under appreciated guitar player. The dead were an important, influential American band