Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds! Klitschko vs Brewster II

Wlad by stone cold KO because he wants to completely erase that Brewster win from our minds.

"AIM FOR THE RETNA! THE RETNA, WLADDY!" -- Emanuel Steward.


Glad your back, Wack. I for one missed you.

I'm not saying wlads a bum by anymeans, i'm just saying that in the lineage of great heavyweight champs (going back to lewis) is wlad really that kind of caliber boxer? He's great for this time but does he really have everything that would make people from years now agree that he was worthy of being the undisputed champ?

yo, im pissed, i was thinking this AND the travis simms + darchinian fighting another jobber cards were tonight

also i thought the UFC card was today

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

Come on lyle, the only person worth a damn left in this division is vitali and thats because hes the only one that fought another heavyweight that was ever any good in lewis. Byrd is a blown up crusierweight who shouldn't be called a 2 time champ because vitali handed him the title the first time which he immediately lost and the second time he beat up a washed up holfield only to defend it five times in 4 years and then lose it again. Austin is a guy, who despite having a huge height advantage in his fights, has ended up with several draws (means the guy can't box). Who did calvin brock ever defeat to make him a proven heavyheavy? Timor was an upcoming unproven prospect and Lawrence has NEVER ko'd anybody and he's a HEAVYWEIGHT!. Watch the video, Brock tryed to counter wlad's right hand with a jab.

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Hey he was undefeated he fought some decent opposition, he EARNED his title shot and right now you're doing EXACTLY what HBO does and discrediting Wladimir for Brock's lack of talent. He came off the floor to beat the crap out of Jameel McCline. He didn't have the resume of a top teir guy but he earned his shot.

Calvin Brock had a very good but very safety first oriented fight vs Wladimir, he was crafty and hard to hit but there was no doubt Wlad could end it at any time.

You could say the same things about Sam Peter than you can about Calvin Brock and everyone on here will disagree with me but Brock is a good average fighter with heart and an awkward style....he doesn't have Sam Peter's power but he fights in a manner which is just as difficult to cope with.


If Ray Austin can't box what does that say about Sultan Ibragimov????

Punisher you bring up how these guys haven't done anything but honestly find me a guy in the division that CAN pose a threat to Wlad.




What does Wlad have to do to be a credible undisputed champ for you? Get up from a knockdown and win CHECK, beat undefeated fighters CHECK, beat the best CHECK, avenge a loss.....see me on the 7th around 11:00 and I'll check that one off too

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Come on lyle, the only person worth a damn left in this division is vitali and thats because hes the only one that fought another heavyweight that was ever any good in lewis. Byrd is a blown up crusierweight who shouldn't be called a 2 time champ because vitali handed him the title the first time which he immediately lost and the second time he beat up a washed up holfield only to defend it five times in 4 years and then lose it again. Austin is a guy, who despite having a huge height advantage in his fights, has ended up with several draws (means the guy can't box). Who did calvin brock ever defeat to make him a proven heavyheavy? Timor was an upcoming unproven prospect and Lawrence has NEVER ko'd anybody and he's a HEAVYWEIGHT!. Watch the video, Brock tryed to counter wlad's right hand with a jab.

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Hey he was undefeated he fought some decent opposition, he EARNED his title shot and right now you're doing EXACTLY what HBO does and discrediting Wladimir for Brock's lack of talent. He came off the floor to beat the crap out of Jameel McCline. He didn't have the resume of a top teir guy but he earned his shot.

Calvin Brock had a very good but very safety first oriented fight vs Wladimir, he was crafty and hard to hit but there was no doubt Wlad could end it at any time.

You could say the same things about Sam Peter than you can about Calvin Brock and everyone on here will disagree with me but Brock is a good average fighter with heart and an awkward style....he doesn't have Sam Peter's power but he fights in a manner which is just as difficult to cope with.


If Ray Austin can't box what does that say about Sultan Ibragimov????

Punisher you bring up how these guys haven't done anything but honestly find me a guy in the division that CAN pose a threat to Wlad.




What does Wlad have to do to be a credible undisputed champ for you? Get up from a knockdown and win CHECK, beat undefeated fighters CHECK, beat the best CHECK, avenge a loss.....see me on the 7th around 11:00 and I'll check that one off too

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actually, should be around 5PM EST, i think the fights in germany

...well I have to have time to get good and liquored up so I can tell off all the haters on here

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Come on lyle, the only person worth a damn left in this division is vitali and thats because hes the only one that fought another heavyweight that was ever any good in lewis. Byrd is a blown up crusierweight who shouldn't be called a 2 time champ because vitali handed him the title the first time which he immediately lost and the second time he beat up a washed up holfield only to defend it five times in 4 years and then lose it again. Austin is a guy, who despite having a huge height advantage in his fights, has ended up with several draws (means the guy can't box). Who did calvin brock ever defeat to make him a proven heavyheavy? Timor was an upcoming unproven prospect and Lawrence has NEVER ko'd anybody and he's a HEAVYWEIGHT!. Watch the video, Brock tryed to counter wlad's right hand with a jab.

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Hey he was undefeated he fought some decent opposition, he EARNED his title shot and right now you're doing EXACTLY what HBO does and discrediting Wladimir for Brock's lack of talent. He came off the floor to beat the crap out of Jameel McCline. He didn't have the resume of a top teir guy but he earned his shot.

Calvin Brock had a very good but very safety first oriented fight vs Wladimir, he was crafty and hard to hit but there was no doubt Wlad could end it at any time.

You could say the same things about Sam Peter than you can about Calvin Brock and everyone on here will disagree with me but Brock is a good average fighter with heart and an awkward style....he doesn't have Sam Peter's power but he fights in a manner which is just as difficult to cope with.


If Ray Austin can't box what does that say about Sultan Ibragimov????

Punisher you bring up how these guys haven't done anything but honestly find me a guy in the division that CAN pose a threat to Wlad.




What does Wlad have to do to be a credible undisputed champ for you? Get up from a knockdown and win CHECK, beat undefeated fighters CHECK, beat the best CHECK, avenge a loss.....see me on the 7th around 11:00 and I'll check that one off too

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If the shoe fits.... ;D

I just can't see the crowning of wlad as undisputed heavyweight champ when vitali is still in the picture. Yes he's the best active fighter in the division right now but he has a loss to a journeyman regardless of what excuses you wanna make up, a loss is a loss. Brock actually earned his title fight as opposed to some people by fighting names of other average fighters. Do i think brock's a bum? Not completely. He's a contender. As for peter, i dunno how you knockdown a guy three times and end up losing a decision, thats something you gotta try hard at.

There's no one to challenge wlad, and there never has been, i think thats his whole problem. If Vitali quit against byrd and then didn't have the lewis fight, there'd be huge questions about him too but he fought somebody who could challenge him size and power wise. You could say peter challenged wlad but as you said the things i said about brock could be brought against peter just as well. Lennox went thru tyson (maybe washed up, but he was still a name) and holyfield and vitali had to deal with him. Wlad's never fought the guy who beat the guy and thats his problem.

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Wacko you always hop on and off the Wladimir Klitschko bandwagon...."I'm a fan"....."I'm not a fan"...make up your mind boy!!!

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Truer words have never been spoken...as I have said in the past...fundamentally he is better than his brother Vitali...but for some reason...he's never been in an exciting fight as Vitali has. That's just my opinion. As big of a fan as I am TRUE BOXERS slick, smooth, & on point...it's odd that I was never sold on him...but honestly...I was never sold on him...basically because of the Puritty fight. He just fell apart...& it wasn't like he was in the lead full swing either.

There were early scares during & that one that showed if one didn't buckle like a belt...Wlad was soon to follow.

One of the reasons I never liked that Tyson fellar...that & the fact that I just couldn't stand him after Cus was gone.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

If Wlad can handle Sam Peter as easily as he did he should have no trouble with Brewster this go round

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Agreed...but no matter what you say about the proximity of Peter's punches...he gave Wlad fits to be such a limited figher.

Everyone will have their opinions, right or wrong, but I am more than eager to give him the benefit of the doubt...& for the record...my on again off again thing with Wlad wasn't always after a loss...I was pretty disgusted with him after the Williamson & Castillo fights.

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no tough opposition????

Ray Austin gave Sultan all he could handle...1 hook from Wlad and he's done for!

Calvin Brock OVERRATED and a guy who is a very good very awkward fighter gave Wlad 6 good rounds dodged and ducked the cross and did as good as anyone I have seen with Wlad but once the steel hammer landed it was all over!

Chris Byrd just got PLASTERED! He was a very game tough fighter and he just got destroyed with that right cross.



BIG FYI here....Wladimir wants a rematch with Corrie Sanders and this fight is a work towards that or a unification bout

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Come on lyle, the only person worth a damn left in this division is vitali and thats because hes the only one that fought another heavyweight that was ever any good in lewis. Byrd is a blown up crusierweight who shouldn't be called a 2 time champ because vitali handed him the title the first time which he immediately lost and the second time he beat up a washed up holfield only to defend it five times in 4 years and then lose it again. Austin is a guy, who despite having a huge height advantage in his fights, has ended up with several draws (means the guy can't box). Who did calvin brock ever defeat to make him a proven heavyheavy? Timor was an upcoming unproven prospect and Lawrence has NEVER ko'd anybody and he's a HEAVYWEIGHT!. Watch the video, Brock tryed to counter wlad's right hand with a jab.

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While I do agree with some of this...I don't with some of it.

Wlad has the ability to make those with meager skills look like those with much skills...an other words...an on point Wlad is quite a spectacle & dare I say...the most fundamentally talented heavyweight in the last ten to fifteen years.

That, I honestly believe, & that's a tall order.

I hate to say that I don't believe in Brock. Brock was a good up & coming heavyweight...but he was only that...good. He was never great & he was often seemingly unfocussed or something...can't quite put my finger on it.

Again, I gotta say that Wlad deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Take this thread for instance...the hits it's gotten since it's just put up...pretty good conversation so far...wouldn't you say?

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

Wlad by stone cold KO because he wants to completely erase that Brewster win from our minds.

"AIM FOR THE RETNA! THE RETNA, WLADDY!" -- Emanuel Steward.

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Glad your back, Wack. I for one missed you.

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Thanks babe...no misses me till I'm gone...come to think of it...no one probably misses me then. ;D

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

I'm not saying wlads a bum by anymeans, i'm just saying that in the lineage of great heavyweight champs (going back to lewis) is wlad really that kind of caliber boxer? He's great for this time but does he really have everything that would make people from years now agree that he was worthy of being the undisputed champ?

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Good question.

I say YES to both.

Easily & he's proven it by coming back after each loss. If he redeems his losses spectacularly...then absolutey YES.

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Come on lyle, the only person worth a damn left in this division is vitali and thats because hes the only one that fought another heavyweight that was ever any good in lewis. Byrd is a blown up crusierweight who shouldn't be called a 2 time champ because vitali handed him the title the first time which he immediately lost and the second time he beat up a washed up holfield only to defend it five times in 4 years and then lose it again. Austin is a guy, who despite having a huge height advantage in his fights, has ended up with several draws (means the guy can't box). Who did calvin brock ever defeat to make him a proven heavyheavy? Timor was an upcoming unproven prospect and Lawrence has NEVER ko'd anybody and he's a HEAVYWEIGHT!. Watch the video, Brock tryed to counter wlad's right hand with a jab.

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Hey he was undefeated he fought some decent opposition, he EARNED his title shot and right now you're doing EXACTLY what HBO does and discrediting Wladimir for Brock's lack of talent. He came off the floor to beat the crap out of Jameel McCline. He didn't have the resume of a top teir guy but he earned his shot.

Calvin Brock had a very good but very safety first oriented fight vs Wladimir, he was crafty and hard to hit but there was no doubt Wlad could end it at any time.

You could say the same things about Sam Peter than you can about Calvin Brock and everyone on here will disagree with me but Brock is a good average fighter with heart and an awkward style....he doesn't have Sam Peter's power but he fights in a manner which is just as difficult to cope with.


If Ray Austin can't box what does that say about Sultan Ibragimov????

Punisher you bring up how these guys haven't done anything but honestly find me a guy in the division that CAN pose a threat to Wlad.




What does Wlad have to do to be a credible undisputed champ for you? Get up from a knockdown and win CHECK, beat undefeated fighters CHECK, beat the best CHECK, avenge a loss.....see me on the 7th around 11:00 and I'll check that one off too

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:coolclick: in another 24 hours. Very well stated.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

There's no one to challenge wlad, and there never has been, i think thats his whole problem. If Vitali quit against byrd and then didn't have the lewis fight, there'd be huge questions about him too but he fought somebody who could challenge him size and power wise. You could say peter challenged wlad but as you said the things i said about brock could be brought against peter just as well. Lennox went thru tyson (maybe washed up, but he was still a name) and holyfield and vitali had to deal with him. Wlad's never fought the guy who beat the guy and thats his problem.

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Totally disagree with you here. Wlad's taken on the remnants of the divisions better fighters & he's totally destroyed them. You can't pigeon hole the man like that. Just because he came through the thin of it doesn't make him a poor fighter.

The men that he defeated were tall orders & they didn't climb through the ropes to just get knocked out.

You have to realize its really hard to rate wlad because instead of following a lineage, you have to rate wlad like you rate liston. Liston didn't fight Marciano or any other names (established greats) from his previous era, He had to fight names that came into their own like Patterson.

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Come on lyle, the only person worth a damn left in this division is vitali and thats because hes the only one that fought another heavyweight that was ever any good in lewis. Byrd is a blown up crusierweight who shouldn't be called a 2 time champ because vitali handed him the title the first time which he immediately lost and the second time he beat up a washed up holfield only to defend it five times in 4 years and then lose it again. Austin is a guy, who despite having a huge height advantage in his fights, has ended up with several draws (means the guy can't box). Who did calvin brock ever defeat to make him a proven heavyheavy? Timor was an upcoming unproven prospect and Lawrence has NEVER ko'd anybody and he's a HEAVYWEIGHT!. Watch the video, Brock tryed to counter wlad's right hand with a jab.

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Hey he was undefeated he fought some decent opposition, he EARNED his title shot and right now you're doing EXACTLY what HBO does and discrediting Wladimir for Brock's lack of talent. He came off the floor to beat the crap out of Jameel McCline. He didn't have the resume of a top teir guy but he earned his shot.

Calvin Brock had a very good but very safety first oriented fight vs Wladimir, he was crafty and hard to hit but there was no doubt Wlad could end it at any time.

You could say the same things about Sam Peter than you can about Calvin Brock and everyone on here will disagree with me but Brock is a good average fighter with heart and an awkward style....he doesn't have Sam Peter's power but he fights in a manner which is just as difficult to cope with.


If Ray Austin can't box what does that say about Sultan Ibragimov????

Punisher you bring up how these guys haven't done anything but honestly find me a guy in the division that CAN pose a threat to Wlad.




What does Wlad have to do to be a credible undisputed champ for you? Get up from a knockdown and win CHECK, beat undefeated fighters CHECK, beat the best CHECK, avenge a loss.....see me on the 7th around 11:00 and I'll check that one off too

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If the shoe fits.... ;D

I just can't see the crowning of wlad as undisputed heavyweight champ when vitali is still in the picture. Yes he's the best active fighter in the division right now but he has a loss to a journeyman regardless of what excuses you wanna make up, a loss is a loss. Brock actually earned his title fight as opposed to some people by fighting names of other average fighters. Do i think brock's a bum? Not completely. He's a contender. As for peter, i dunno how you knockdown a guy three times and end up losing a decision, thats something you gotta try hard at.

There's no one to challenge wlad, and there never has been, i think thats his whole problem. If Vitali quit against byrd and then didn't have the lewis fight, there'd be huge questions about him too but he fought somebody who could challenge him size and power wise. You could say peter challenged wlad but as you said the things i said about brock could be brought against peter just as well. Lennox went thru tyson (maybe washed up, but he was still a name) and holyfield and vitali had to deal with him. Wlad's never fought the guy who beat the guy and thats his problem.

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And Mike Tyson lost to Kevin McBride and Danny Williams....hey a loss is a loss I guess Mike is a sorry ass fighter huh.....Ali lost to Trevor Berbick.

You may say "hey those guys were old as hell" well I'm saying Wladimir was 22 years old now you can take that however you want to I'm saying perhaps a fight that happened damn near 10 years ago and that has little to do with the fighter you see fighting these days might need to be left in the past.

You sound like a hater when you bring up the Purrity fight...yeah it was a loss but it was a loss because Wlad was a young fighter who threw too many punches.

Sanders is the MOST legit loss he has suffered, the Brewster loss, well I guess we'll see about that next weekend.





Lineage is kind of hard to follow when there is not just ONE CHAMPION....if we're doing lineage we're saying Oleg Maskaev is THE GUY right now and to me....that sounds outrageously stupid

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Come on lyle, the only person worth a damn left in this division is vitali and thats because hes the only one that fought another heavyweight that was ever any good in lewis. Byrd is a blown up crusierweight who shouldn't be called a 2 time champ because vitali handed him the title the first time which he immediately lost and the second time he beat up a washed up holfield only to defend it five times in 4 years and then lose it again. Austin is a guy, who despite having a huge height advantage in his fights, has ended up with several draws (means the guy can't box). Who did calvin brock ever defeat to make him a proven heavyheavy? Timor was an upcoming unproven prospect and Lawrence has NEVER ko'd anybody and he's a HEAVYWEIGHT!. Watch the video, Brock tryed to counter wlad's right hand with a jab.

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Hey he was undefeated he fought some decent opposition, he EARNED his title shot and right now you're doing EXACTLY what HBO does and discrediting Wladimir for Brock's lack of talent. He came off the floor to beat the crap out of Jameel McCline. He didn't have the resume of a top teir guy but he earned his shot.

Calvin Brock had a very good but very safety first oriented fight vs Wladimir, he was crafty and hard to hit but there was no doubt Wlad could end it at any time.

You could say the same things about Sam Peter than you can about Calvin Brock and everyone on here will disagree with me but Brock is a good average fighter with heart and an awkward style....he doesn't have Sam Peter's power but he fights in a manner which is just as difficult to cope with.


If Ray Austin can't box what does that say about Sultan Ibragimov????

Punisher you bring up how these guys haven't done anything but honestly find me a guy in the division that CAN pose a threat to Wlad.




What does Wlad have to do to be a credible undisputed champ for you? Get up from a knockdown and win CHECK, beat undefeated fighters CHECK, beat the best CHECK, avenge a loss.....see me on the 7th around 11:00 and I'll check that one off too

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If the shoe fits.... ;D

I just can't see the crowning of wlad as undisputed heavyweight champ when vitali is still in the picture. Yes he's the best active fighter in the division right now but he has a loss to a journeyman regardless of what excuses you wanna make up, a loss is a loss. Brock actually earned his title fight as opposed to some people by fighting names of other average fighters. Do i think brock's a bum? Not completely. He's a contender. As for peter, i dunno how you knockdown a guy three times and end up losing a decision, thats something you gotta try hard at.

There's no one to challenge wlad, and there never has been, i think thats his whole problem. If Vitali quit against byrd and then didn't have the lewis fight, there'd be huge questions about him too but he fought somebody who could challenge him size and power wise. You could say peter challenged wlad but as you said the things i said about brock could be brought against peter just as well. Lennox went thru tyson (maybe washed up, but he was still a name) and holyfield and vitali had to deal with him. Wlad's never fought the guy who beat the guy and thats his problem.

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And Mike Tyson lost to Kevin McBride and Danny Williams....hey a loss is a loss I guess Mike is a sorry ass fighter huh.....Ali lost to Trevor Berbick.

You may say "hey those guys were old as hell" well I'm saying Wladimir was 22 years old now you can take that however you want to I'm saying perhaps a fight that happened damn near 10 years ago and that has little to do with the fighter you see fighting these days might need to be left in the past.

You sound like a hater when you bring up the Purrity fight...yeah it was a loss but it was a loss because Wlad was a young fighter who threw too many punches.

Sanders is the MOST legit loss he has suffered, the Brewster loss, well I guess we'll see about that next weekend.





Lineage is kind of hard to follow when there is not just ONE CHAMPION....if we're doing lineage we're saying Oleg Maskaev is THE GUY right now and to me....that sounds outrageously stupid

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Berbick is hardly a journeymen. At age 22 that ali guy you're talking about was heavyweight champion and undefeated, thats just barking up the wrong tree. Its not just the purity fight, everytime wlads stock rose, he lost again. Its hard to make a case for him when his stock keeps rising and falling like that. I'll admit right now he's probably at his best but really can you 100% trust the guy to take care of business?

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

You have to realize its really hard to rate wlad because instead of following a lineage, you have to rate wlad like you rate liston. Liston didn't fight Marciano or any other names (established greats) from his previous era, He had to fight names that came into their own like Patterson.

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I do realize that...& I see where you are coming...but I think that you should realize the first 15 or 16 words that you stated.

That being said...you do make a good valid point...you do...& it'd good for debate...so I applaude you sincerely...but I do think that you are being a bit harsh...especially comparing him to Liston. ;D

One thing that does bother me a bit about your post is the thing about the Liston & Wlad comparison. Is it saying more that Wlad fought up & comers & bested them when they were becoming what they were or the fact that he didn't sharpen his teeth on worn talent?

I know that that sounds harsh...but honestly...I think that Wlad does deserve the benefit of the doubt...no matter how many times I've had to give it.

You feel me?

Yes "everytime"....3 times in over 50 fights that's like saying everytime Ali was on the rise he lost.

I'm not saying Wlad is as great as Ali but Wlad is a good fighter in this era and he'll be considered one of the best of the post Ali era...after his career is over I'll put him up there with Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, and Bowe

...also not EVERY fighter reaches their prime in their 20's....what about one LENNOX LEWIS???

The fight is today?